Giardia in humans
Joanna

Brentford, UK

#310 Jan 24, 2011
I was finally diagnosed with Giardia in Sept 2010 after years of symptoms-constantly hungry, loose motions in the mornings which I had lived with for so long I thought it was normal. I believe I contracted it in Ghana in 2002, so thats 8 years of suffering and going back and forth to Doctors who kept telling me I was fine. THANK God I was eventually diagnosed. I have been treated and I am now CLEAR!!! Here is how to get rid of it. Do not take Metronidazole-it doesn't work. The antibiotic that works is TINIDAZOLE. I was given a week of metrinidazole which cleared things temporarily and like everyone else is describing after finishing the medication, symptoms came back. I went to the tropical diseases hosp in London to find out from a consultant that I should take TINIDAZOLE. I took 4 tablets on day one and 4 tablets on day 5. I am not going to indicated the mg because this should be calculated according to an individuals weight. Your GP SHOULD be able to prescribe this drug. There is no need to go to London. It is in the BNF (Doctors medicine handbook). If your GP prescribes metrinidazole refuse it and ask for Tinidazole. Giardia has become resistant to metrinadizole becuase of the widespread use of it in dentistry. My consultant at the local hospital also advocates tinidazole over metrinidazole. It appears that this is not GP knowledge. I had to fight for it for my daughter (1year old) who also became infected.
I have now had a gastroscopy (tube down the throat and biopsies taken)to confirm the parasites have gone. YIPEEE.
I am still suffering with fatigue and post infections IBS for which I have been prescribed a low dose of antidepressants to retune my intestinal nerves and I am due to see a dietician soon.
Hope this helps someone. Any other questions please email me at bravobesty (at) hotmail (dot) com.
Heidi

Eugene, OR

#311 Jan 24, 2011
Get an H. pylori test.
Lexa wrote:
I just thought I would share my ongoing experiences with giardia. I am at my wits end with it all.
Two years ago, I went to Playa Del Carmen Mexico and two days into our trip started having horrible diahrrea and stomach cramping. Came home and was still experiencing gas, yellow diarrhea, and stomach cramps a week later. Went to a primary care doctor who did not do a stool sample and just gave me Cipro. Very bad idea since Cipro is an antibiotic not an anti-protozal med. Looking back, I think the Cipro just made the giardia stronger. I continued to have loose, frequent stools and stomach pain a month later and went back to the doctor. They finally did a stool sample but it was negative. I convinced myself all of it was in my head and suffered for another six months with symptoms, thinking I had IBS. Finally, I couldn't stand it anymore and did more stool samples. Sure enough, giardia was there. I was finally diagnosed about a year after I went to Mexico!
Since that time I have done a round of tinidazole, and metronidizole, but two years later I still have frequent stools (up to 8 times a day sometimes!) and horrible stomach pains. Fortunately, I do have good days, but probably at least one bad day a week. I have taken every natural remedy there is. I want to pull my hair out, I am so frustrated with this horrible parasite!
I have seen three GI doctors and I guess my next step is to see a infectious doctor. The worst part is no physician really knows how to treat chronic giardiasis or even if I still do have giardia or whether I just have post-infectious IBS.
James

York, UK

#312 Jan 25, 2011
Hi

I recommend reading the "Recommendations and treatments for Giardiasis Infection:" section of this page:

https://www.diagnose-me.com/ta-q.html...

Lots of helpful advice on a wide spectrum of possible treatments.

Good luck!
James

York, UK

#313 Jan 25, 2011
scratch that, the link is
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C172355.html
Apologies!
Joanne

UK

#314 Jan 25, 2011
Drew I put eggs to make it simple but ok cysts! This website explains it below.

http://www.willowherbalcentre.co.uk/giardia.h...

I said it says on the net that Metronidazole in tests has caused cancer in rats and mice, which put me off of taking it, so I tried the herbal route instead.

WARNING

Metronidazole has been shown to be carcinogenic in mice and rats.(See PRECAUTIONS.) Unnecessary use of the drug should be avoided. Its use should be reserved for the conditions described in the INDICATIONS section below.

Also Tinidazole and Metronidazole have the same ingredience in them it states this on the net.
anonymous_pdx

Portland, OR

#315 Feb 1, 2011
Well I just wanted to say Thanks to everyone out there who has taken the time to contribute to this forum. I had Giardia last year for the first time, and now again, a year later. First time I had it, the test did not pick it up. It took a second test to find it. I got the Tindamax treatment last year. Don't expect a miracle. It took a while but I *did* get better. I also noticed the lactose intolerance. Lactaid solved that. This time around: again Tindamax. I took it this afternoon. 2 Grams, one dose. Something I notice. Sucking on lime popsicles, the symptoms decline dramatically. Eating Campbells tomato soup? Sends it off the map. I think it takes some experimentation to get your diet right. People don't freak out. I know I did when I first got it. It's not the end of the world and with time I think I will be able to cure it permanently. Also, and I don't want to offend anyone here but this is medicine. It is my belief I caught this *both* times by not being careful during anal sex. If you are going to do this be meticulously careful. Thanks I look forward to reading more in the forum.
anonymous_pdx

Portland, OR

#316 Feb 2, 2011
I'm checking in here again. I am now about 23 hours after taking the 2G Tindimax dose. I definitely have some relief. My nausea all but gone. My stools are larger in circumference, more formed than the disease-typical snake like form, with no liquid, and definitely more solid though not hard enough for me to say "normal." My appetite is back: bacon and eggs for breakfast and a BLT for lunch.

Note Giardia will make you lactose intolerant during and for sometime after you have the disease. Buy Lactaid tastes great and I notice no negative side effects. I have heard people say try and repopulate good bacteria using yogurt. I have tried probiotic yogurt and warning: this causes a huge reemergence of symptoms. I avoid any dairy I can including yogurt. Again read what others say your mileage my vary.

I have now gone to drinking Limeade. This helps symptoms also, just like lime popsicles while probably not as well. Why does this work? I have a theory. The sugar in the popsicle lures them out to thrive. However, they are met with the acidity of the citric acid of the limes. With the popsicle it melts to sort of a syrup which coats your insides keeping this process going. I am telling you: try this.

I did the following experiment. Eat a can of tomato soup prepared as on the can. Your gut will go crazy apparently this is something they love. Now while your stomach is going crazy on the soup, suck on the lime popsicle. Your gut will quiet almost immediately. A box of lime popsicles until you get the antibiotic down is definitely going to help symptoms.

I hope you find this useful.
Yahia

Toronto, Canada

#317 Feb 3, 2011
Did you take 2 G of Tinidazol on an empty stomach or with food?
anonymous_pdx

Portland, OR

#318 Feb 3, 2011
Yahia:
>>>>>
Did you take 2 G of Tinidazol on an empty stomach or with food?
<<<<<

With food. Tomato soup, then crackers I believe. This was as instructed. Why do you ask?
anonymous_pdx

Portland, OR

#319 Feb 3, 2011
ok now 50 hours plus after tindamax. no symptoms. am i cured? i continue to believe in Limeade: i part Lime juice 10 parts ware sweeten to taste. i'm dying for someone else to try.
Yahia

Toronto, Canada

#320 Feb 4, 2011
I asked because my stupid doctor don`t believe me that I'm suffering from Giardia. And the only solution for me is to buy Tinidazol overseas. Health care sucks here in Canada.

Thank you.
Drew

Calgary, Canada

#321 Feb 4, 2011
anonymous_pdx wrote:
It took a second test to find it.
Hi anonymous_pdx. What kind of test they do to find it?
[quote]Don't expect a miracle. It took a while but I *did* get better.[/quote]
May I ask what symptoms persisted after taking the drug?
anonymous_pdx

Portland, OR

#322 Feb 5, 2011
Drew
>>>>>
Hi anonymous_pdx. What kind of test they do to find it?
[quote]Don't expect a miracle. It took a while but I *did* get better.[/quote]
May I ask what symptoms persisted after taking the drug?
<<<<<

Drew they took a stool sample. Came back positive right way. Last time they had to test twice to find it. The symptoms persisted about 12 hours after taking Tindamax, but Limeade and Lime popsicles quieted my gurgling stomach and motion in my gut. I'm now over four days after taking Tindamax. The symptoms still have not come back. I'm cautiously optimistic I'm cured. Last time the symptoms *did* come back but I think it was because i did not know enough to avoid anything dairy. Hope this helps.
Kelli

Ballarat, Australia

#323 Feb 6, 2011
Tahlia wrote:
Hi All,
I contracted what I thought was food poisoning in December 2007 at a compulsary work christmas fuction. Blood tests originally showed I had over 8 times the usual amount of bacteria in my system. That was actually the day after I was at my worst and my doctor says that the previous day I was in agony because all of my major organs were starting to shut down.
Ever since, I have had severe recurring symptoms. Vomiting, diarreah, extreme nausea, severe abdominal cramping/stabbing pains, malabsorption, migraines, fatigue, joint pain. Each time previous I've been taking over the counter medications to aid the symptoms (buscopan for cramping, gastrostop for diarreah...unfortunately I have found nothing for nausea, prescription or otherwise, but ginger beer helps), until eventually they'll go away of their own accord.
Finally on Dec 23rd just gone, my GP gave me a refferal to a gastroenterologist. I spent my second christmas/new years unable to eat or drink ANYTHING. I was able to make an appointment once the specialist reopened after the break but the appointment isn't until the 5th Feb and I am losing weight fast and am currently so weak that I am unable to work most days.
I was taken to hospital last Thursday night and had to be put on a saline drip. They took some samples; urine, blood and stool. Each found nothing. Although I have heard that giardia (what the emergency doc from hospital thinks it may be) is hard to detect via stool samples.
This parasite is not only damaging my health, it is keeping me from working, its slowly ruining my relationships with family, my friends and my long-time boyfriend as I am unable to socialise at all.
I'm almost at the end of the road, I don't think I can take much more of this. It's been 13 months and I read somewhere that one giardia parasite, reproduces by binary fission (thus becoming 2 parasites) every 20 minutes so I can't imagine what the inside of my small intestine looks like now. They must be squashed in like sardines.
Any suggestions for where to turn to next?
-Tahlia
Gosh you poor darling :(. I have myself had Giardia now for almost 4 years, it's just awful ! Are you over you illnes yet ? I am aldo from Australia.
Joanne

UK

#324 Feb 7, 2011
What I can not figure out is Tinidazole and Metronidazole are said to be the same, they have the same ingredience in, my doctor said they are the same, it also states this in a medical book of pills.
Taking 4 tinidazole all at once works better than metronidazole 250mg 3 x a day for 5-7 days they say, well it would because you are taking a stronger dosage, why don't they test four 500mg 4 x a day of metronidazole the same as tinidazole is given, surely that makes more sense to judge the 2 tablets, or is it because they are both the same tablet really?
Nothing kills the cysts, so surely giving only one day of such a high dose will kill the parasites but how about when the cysts hatch out, surely they will just re start up again. Would it not be best to take tinidazole 500mg twice a day for 14 days, seems to make more sense to me, to cover the cysts hatching out.
I would be interested to know what other people think on this theory?
Anonynous! Did taking 4 tablets tinidazole in one go give you any side effects?
A lady went to Tropical disease hospital and she was given day one tinidazole 4 pills then day 5 repeated dose and she said that cured her.

Things I have tested out and re tested and these are working for me but I have not cured it yet!
I am taking allicinmax capsules which definately help, 2 capsules on an empty stomach first thing in the morning with a glass of bottled water. Coconut oil does help as well, I eat a quarter of a fresh coconut and drink the water a day.
drink pure grapefruit juice. Giardia hates acid drinks. They do not like carrot juice either.

I am now of the opinion that you need to take tinidazole to kill this parasite and then follow up with herbs and diet still afterwards for some months to make sure it dies off and does not start up again. Giardia seems like a boomarang by what you read!
Yahia

Toronto, Canada

#325 Feb 7, 2011
Hi Joanne,

There is a big difference between flagyl and Tinidazole. Fagyl kills just the protozoa not the cysts. However Tinidazole kills both the protozoa and the cysts in way better than flagyl here the study ( Tinidazol reaches 100% inhibition).

http://www.giardiasis.org/Treatment.aspx
Joanne

UK

#326 Feb 9, 2011
I have just found this info below and I am going to try it and see if it works. Has anyone tried it?

One of the most amazing discoveries on MSM is its anti-parasitic action against Giardia, Trichomonas, roundworms, nematodes, Enterobius and other intestinal worms (5). Animal studies include laboratory mice, determined to have pin worms (Enterobius) by fecal cast examination. They were given commercial food and drinking water, both containing 2% MSM by weight. After 17 days, fecal examination indicated the feces were free of worms and eggs. The blood level of MSM in one animal examined exceeded 30 ppm or mg/kg (3). Human studies include a man with confirmed Giardia lamblia, apparently contacted from contaminated water in a primitive area. He was given 500 mg MSM three times a day for 14 days. By the eighth day he was free of symptoms, and two stool specimens collected one week later were free of the organism (3). In another study, Trichomonas vaginalis was successfully treated by oral dosage of 1 gram MSM a day, and a daily topical application of 5% aqueous MSM for one week (3).

The major antiparasitic property of MSM is probably caused by its ability to bind to the mucosa and present a natural blocking interface between hosts and parasites. It's as though MSM puts down a coating on the mucosa, which parasites find impenetrable and can't cling to. Unable to stick, the parasites are simply flushed out of the body (5, 9). In vitro research has shown the antiparasitic, antifungal and antibacterial action of MSM concentrations. MSM concentrations of 1 mg/mL and less demonstrated no significant inhibition of Giardia lamblia. However, at 20 mg/mL concentrations it was strongly inhibitory, and concentrations above 40 mg/mL promptly killed the organism. According to Dr. Herschler, one can safely administer up to 1-2 gram MSM per kg body weight on a daily basis. One therefore builds a safely tolerated blood level up to 4000 ppm (mg/kg), which level is highly toxic to many infective organisms yet is harmless to the host (3).

A growing number of natural physicians are expressing concerns about parasites. It is becoming increasingly clear that they can be a continuous source of poisoning which can spread throughout the body and affect the immune system. It is an intriguing thought that MSM maybe nature's original means of protecting us against parasites
Joanne

UK

#327 Feb 9, 2011
Yahia
Tinidazole Info Sheet - The Body
27 Jan 1999 ... What Does It Do? Tinidazole is approved in many countries.... For GIARDIA: the dose of tinidazole is 2 grams (4 pills) for one day.... Note: tinidazole and Flagyl can't kill ameba larva that hide in cysts,...

www.thebody.com/content/art4770.html - 32k - Similar pages

No drug kills the cysts to date, that's why a repeated doses are often needed. Metronidazole or tinidazole do not kill the cysts.
NYMo

Fort Lee, NJ

#328 Feb 11, 2011
Yahia: Canada is absolutely the worst when it comes to medical care, especially as regards giardia. I went to 5 doctors in Montreal, all of whom did *nothing* when I basically had all the Sx of giardia. After four months, I went down to New York City and am finally being treated. I don't know if Canadian doctors are stupid/arrogant or both, but I give up.

I know the heart palpitations well and I wish you the best.
Yahia wrote:
Hi Drew,
I did like 20 stool tests and they never found it.
The doctors here in Toronto don't help eaither. A lot of them say that It's in my head when I almost died from heart palpitations caused by giardia.
I don't reply on them anymore. If I did, I would be dead by now.
So many serious diseases are ignored in Canada. The animals are treated better tham us. If you take an animal to a vet, the first thing he will check for is parasites. But when a human says he has parasites, the doctor will say we are mental.
NYMo

Fort Lee, NJ

#329 Feb 11, 2011
This jibes with this article: http://www.plosntds.org/article/info:doi/10.1...

...which basically says that giardia detaches for short periods of time when the surrounding PH changes -- acid-to-base/base-to-acid.
anonymous_pdx wrote:
...I have now gone to drinking Limeade. This helps symptoms also, just like lime popsicles while probably not as well. Why does this work? I have a theory. The sugar in the popsicle lures them out to thrive. However, they are met with the acidity of the citric acid of the limes. With the popsicle it melts to sort of a syrup which coats your insides keeping this process going. I am telling you: try this.
I did the following experiment. Eat a can of tomato soup prepared as on the can. Your gut will go crazy apparently this is something they love. Now while your stomach is going crazy on the soup, suck on the lime popsicle. Your gut will quiet almost immediately. A box of lime popsicles until you get the antibiotic down is definitely going to help symptoms.
I hope you find this useful.

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