Betsy

Alsbach, Germany

#377 Jun 16, 2013
Hi Nat, glad to hear from you again - I think Jen has "only" had the gall bladder removed and no div surgery. That takes a tough cooky, but maybe not quite as bad as the two together.(In Germany you'rein the hospital for up to 5 days for that). Jen, hope you are feeling better and doing relatively okay. Thinking of you.

And yes, Nat, that joint stuff is a major p.i.t.a.- literally - cooking for so many people would be wearing. I worked in the garden for a couple of hours yesterday (tough stuff - like mowing an uphill lawn that has more resemblance with a meadow, and weeding - at least a lot of the weeds were hip-high with all the rain here, so you did not have to bend over)- and afterwards the joint pain was so bad I could hardly move. I reminded myself of my grandma. That is another p.i.t.a.- it seems that when I move, including lengthy bike-riding, the joint pain gets worse instead of better. Go figure. So my mom keeps saying "did you take the pain medicine?" and so yesterday I did again, and for the first time I noticed that it gave me constipation. It was Jen who pointed that out. Had never noticed that connection. That combined with the St. John's Wort and the bright sunshine which dries your eyes out and makes the eyes feel like a pound of flour has been dumped in them has made me one cranky Lady together. Ha, Nat, maybe I should have some of that Sambucca in the coffee!

Greetings, gals, take good care
Betsy

Alsbach, Germany

#378 Jun 16, 2013
Non-focused as always - I meant 3 to 5 days just to have the gall bladder removed. They keep you in the hospital here in Germany. Even when you have a baby you get to stay a week. And your husband does, too. And they put the baby in the hospital room with you, if you want.
Betsy

Alsbach, Germany

#379 Jun 16, 2013
And it is cooky and not cookie, sorry.

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#380 Jun 17, 2013
Nat,

Lol. Your post cracked me up. Can you imagine if the hospital sent a person home the same day as a resection? OMG. But yes, as Betsy says, Jen "just" had her gallbladder removed.

My joint pain started before my ER surgery, and I only had a major round of antibiotics once for something else about 7 years ago, so personally, I don't trace my joint pain to antibiotics. But that's an interesting idea.

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#381 Jun 17, 2013
Oh, I wanted to mention (maybe I've mentioned it before?) that Lisa Strate has grant money to study the microbiota of Diverticulitis. Isn't that awesome?!
Moe

Mattoon, IL

#382 Jun 17, 2013
Actually I was up in a chair very early the next morning after my resection (had 2 handed lap done along with 4 inch horizontal incision) and walking the halls that afternoon. I probably could have gone home...lol. My surgeon was very shocked that I was up and going, but I felt so good getting that nasty colon out!
Moe
applecake wrote:
Nat,
Lol. Your post cracked me up. Can you imagine if the hospital sent a person home the same day as a resection? OMG. But yes, as Betsy says, Jen "just" had her gallbladder removed.
My joint pain started before my ER surgery, and I only had a major round of antibiotics once for something else about 7 years ago, so personally, I don't trace my joint pain to antibiotics. But that's an interesting idea.
Betsy

Alsbach, Germany

#383 Jun 17, 2013
Moe, you sound like a German!!! They have everybody up and walking after all sorts of surgeries - including bypasses, etc.- Rehab is a German specialty (seeing they started two World Wars it should be) and their philosophy is to get people up and moving asap. They keep them in the Hospital and take good care of them, but they get them up and moving (the French don't). Moe, you're our poster girl for surgery, you say such good stuff about surgery, and so often it has to do with energy! Love that.

Since: Jun 12

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#384 Jun 17, 2013
My doctor had me up and walking 2 days after ER surgery, but they didn't send me home...
Natalie

Montréal, Canada

#385 Jun 17, 2013
Sorry guys, I guess I kinda lost track... I swear I got so freaked out that they would send Jen home so soon after a resection that I almost hopped on a beaver's back (Canada's "animal") to find the surgeon in Indiana and beat the living s**t outta him-her with my bottle of maple syrop!!! My bad!
Thanks for setting me straight thus avoiding me jail time!!!!!!!

Since: Jan 12

Stuart, Florida

#386 Jun 17, 2013
applecake wrote:
My doctor had me up and walking 2 days after ER surgery, but they didn't send me home...
Mine was on day Two in the Early AM I stayed in Hospital for 4 days the 1st time. 2nd time I stayed 5 days. Third time I spent 45 days in Hospital and Community Living Centers At the WPBVAMC CLC is there name for Nursing Home this was to allow the emergency surgery scar to heal form inside out.they also gave me physical therapy witch helped a lot with pain and discomfort

Well Teddy Bear Hugs all around and God Bless the bunch of us

Larry

Since: Jun 12

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#387 Jun 20, 2013
How is everyone? I am gearing up to move and still training at my new job. Luckily I like this one much better than the last. Virtually everyone I work with is smart and female. And I don't get the back-biting sense that I have in the past. Knock on wood, I hope I will continue to like it. At the very least, I feel like I am moving past being sick as my main identity. Lots of work to do in moving this apartment and my print studio, though. Food continues to be a bit of a constant worry. I'm not sure I'll ever get past that.

Jen, How is your recovery going? Anne? Betsy? Nat? Thinking of you.

This story below re: a study on silver increasing the effectiveness of antibiotics came out today. Very interesting.
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-an...
Moe

Springfield, IL

#388 Jun 20, 2013
Betsy,
LOL...My surgeon laughs at me too. When I got hospitalized for my leak, I was getting admitted and laying in the bed while my surgeon was examining me. His residents were all standing around my bed watching and I said "So the days that I will be laying here with the infection, do they count towards my 2 month recovery time from the resection?" He laughed so hard and told me I was always an optimist, but he never answered my question.
Moe
Betsy wrote:
Moe, you sound like a German!!! They have everybody up and walking after all sorts of surgeries - including bypasses, etc.- Rehab is a German specialty (seeing they started two World Wars it should be) and their philosophy is to get people up and moving asap. They keep them in the Hospital and take good care of them, but they get them up and moving (the French don't). Moe, you're our poster girl for surgery, you say such good stuff about surgery, and so often it has to do with energy! Love that.
Betsy

Alsbach, Germany

#389 Jun 20, 2013
Hey Moe - a German would have laughed and then answered your question. They're pretty serious about communicating. And they like a good joke, I think they would have appreciated your question - it's true!

In that vein - AC, it answers your question, too - I went to see an orthopedic doctor (who trained in the States) about all the joint pain I have been experiencing, and he poked around and it hurt like heck and he said - "this is not joint pain, absolutely not, it is muscle pain - if it was joint pain it would hurt here" and he poked and it did not hurt - I have the pain in the classic places - the neck & shoulders and the butt down the leg. So he did "trigger acupuncture" which hurt like heck again - I am a sissy - and I am not a fan of acupuncture because I had so many dopey doctors poke me to make an extra buck and they called it acupuncture and it was baloney. Years ago somebody stuck a needle in my forehead and it gave me a sinus infection like nobody's business. Never helped one single bit. But this guy's trigger stuff did seem to help, and I am going back again tomorrow to get poked again - he said 2 to 3 times and I'm good to go.

Interesting it is not the joints - and you know, my div, it is there but I have been eating like a saint and so yes, food feels like it will always be an issue - and I will be scheduling my colonoscopy soon ....... and tomorrow I will write something about stress, because I thought about stress. AC, it would fit your last job, too, my new stress theory and th stress giving you div.

Your job sounds like it could really work out. Would be great not to have all the bullying baloney and what the Germans call "profile neuroses" - you know, people showing off all the time.it's bad enough to have to work.
Marie

Milford, CT

#390 Jun 21, 2013
What exactly can a person with diverticulitis flare up EAT? Liquids foods? Explain, please. My husband is so hungry! Is it only soup, gelatin, plain soda, water??

Since: Jun 12

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#391 Jun 21, 2013
Marie,

Look up the Mayo Clinic Diet for diverticulitis and the Stanford University diet for diverticulitis. Everyone is different so it's impossible to give a one-size-fits-all diet. But the general rule is to go liquid for up to a few days, then soft, "low residue" foods for a period of time until the sufferer is feeling better. Generally you do not want him to eat foods with fiber during an attack/live infection. He should drink lots of water/liquids. Staying away from things like sodas is probably a good idea. Sugar can feed the bad bugs. Take care.
Anne

Toronto, Canada

#392 Jun 21, 2013
Marie wrote:
What exactly can a person with diverticulitis flare up EAT? Liquids foods? Explain, please. My husband is so hungry! Is it only soup, gelatin, plain soda, water??
Also, I don't think you want anything carbonated when you have a flare to avoid any excess gas that can cause more pain.
Moe

Mattoon, IL

#393 Jun 21, 2013
betsy,...LOL I am pretty sure my surgeon is German by his last name :O)
Moe
Betsy wrote:
Hey Moe - a German would have laughed and then answered your question. They're pretty serious about communicating. And they like a good joke, I think they would have appreciated your question - it's true!
Jen ht

Fishers, IN

#394 Jun 21, 2013
Best wishes w the move, Applecake. Glad to hear good updates on your new workplace. I hear you on the food thing. I feel a little lost there myself, but getting along.

Interesting about it not being joints, Betsy. Keep us posted on those follow up appointments. I look forward to your post on your thoughts on stress. My folks are going thru a divorce after 46 years and I'm an only child. It really broke loose in January... then, March 25th... wam-o... Diverticulitis.

Mom just had another colonoscopy. For years her doc has called her a polyp farm, but they've been caught in time. Well, this time he is quite concerned about the form and look of them. She has to wait a week for the path reports. So, keep her in your thoughts please.

Tuesday was a really good day. Since then...lil rough. I suppose it's a couple steps forward then one back kinda thing. Still taking it easy. Surgeon follow up appt went well. One was big, so the removal incision was a little bigger than usual. I know so many face and deal w so much more. I am ok. Thankful for time this summer to rest. Just being honest that for me it hasn't been the "piece of cake" that so many shared w me. I think being sick, sleep deprived and somewhat malnourished since March may have contributed to little longer healing time for me.??? Hoping to soon string together a couple of days like Tuesday.

Anne, how's the nausea?

Take care all,
Sending warm wishes,
Jen
Anne

Mississauga, Canada

#395 Jun 21, 2013
Hi All,

Well,another food issue to contend with. Had my yearly physical this week and was told I have a too high cholesterol level. Looks like I have to start cutting back or eliminating most of the food I can still eat!! Pretty soon there won't be anything left. I am definitely not going to give up SCD. I have had more pain free days in the last 6 months on the diet than I had in the previous 3 years. It has given me back my sanity. It is working so "if it ain't broke..don't fix it"...but I guess I will have to modify it..lol. No more yogurt made with cream now 1%..a lot less butter and eggs, bye bye bacon and cheese. If I can get it down over the next three months, hopefully I won't have to go on medication. Better get moving more too. At least it is summer and I can get out and walk for exercise.

Jen..glad to see you back in the mix. The nausea went away last weekend just as mysteriously as it appeared two weeks before. It was brutal but so far so good. Just darned annoying that there is no rhime or reason to it. Sorry it has been rough going for you and hope it gets better soon. Hope your mom has good results and will keep her in my thoughts. That's too bad about the divorce. You are quite right that perhaps that is one of the stressors that triggered your attack. That would be something major that could have definitely contributed to it. I have flared for a lot less than something like that. Hope you feel better soon!

AC..glad you are enjoying your new job. Hope the move goes smoothly and things can finally get settled for you. Once the stress over new job and new home settle down, hopefully the food issues will get better. I think though all of us with diver will probably always be having some kind of food issues but hopefully they will be under control :-).

Betsy..what a surprise about your joint pain actually being muscle pain. I hope the acupuncture works for you. I have tried it several times before too for various things but did find it worked for the pain. Hope you have success.

Hope everyone else is well and have a great weekend!
Betsy

Darmstadt, Germany

#396 Jun 22, 2013
Hi Jen, I am a culprit of making that gallbladder stuff sound easier than it apparently was. I think the reason may be that one sees the end product with someone and they tell you how much better they feel after the surgical intervention, and then you Forget the hard part that that person had to pass through all by themselves. and seeing that one of the difficult things involved with post-surgery is pain and way of dealing with that is pain killers and these in turn lead to constipation, which is a literal p.i.t.a. and really BAD FOR US, the initial stage is probably a viscious cycle. Easy for me to say that because my buddies were in Hospital for 3 or 4 days getting good professional care - I'll never forget one friend telling me that the surgeon took one look at her and said to her that she seemed like the type who would try to get better real fast and that he wanted her to relax and rest and take good care of herself - that somehow is what I associate with it.(Also with my own father, who in younger years refused to get his gallbladder removed because he was a Christian Scientist and against surgery, and now he is sort of paying the pauper.) You are at about the 10-day point now, aren't you? Sure hope it goes fast uphill from here on out.

As to stress - ask Georgia, she swears it is the absolute A Number One Trigger for our divs. I think she is right. I just always seem to think there is stress & there is stress. The professional stress has taken over our lives globally, and while it is no fun, I don't think it is a Trigger (except when you get bullied, like AC - I was bullied, too, years ago and it sent me off into a DD spiral). The personal stress gets to a person, creeps right in there. And sick & sleep deprived is the pitts to begin with, and since March is like an eternity! I sure hope you are sleeping better now. And I don't know if it is an Option, but you were asking recently about what to eat after the Operation but with constipation - were you able to try the oat bran? Oat bran and activia is my life saver. Helps me through everything. And it tastes good. I don't know if it is the right Thing for you right now - is there a gallbladder diet? Make yourself feel good with enjoyable food, don't deprive yourself if you don't have to. Sad about your folks separating. Too bad after so many years. Remember the old oxygen mask in airplanes. Take good care of yourself, enjoy your marriage and support from your husband. And then rest some more. Take good care. Greetings from Germany, where the heat wave has finally lifted. Killer weather. First it was like autumn until early June, then we got a heat wave right from the Sahara desert blowing in (seriously) but with humid air - and storms that turned the air bright green - the Brits are giving the season a new name: Frautumn.

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