Antidepressants Versus Placebos: Meaningful Advantages Are Lacking

Feb 5, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychiatric Times

Antidepressants are widely believed to be exceptionally effective medications. The data, however, tell a different story. via Psychiatric Times

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Jan 15, 2012
 
Doctor My Eyes wrote:
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Ya think?
Not according to the foremost researchers and authorities on the subject of Serotonin and SSRI's.
The Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ssris/MH0006 ...
The Cleveland Clinic http://my.clevelandclinic.org/eclevelandclini ...
Johns Hopkins School of Medicine http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/repor ...
Johns Hopkins in particular has been reporting amazing results for years on studies that have proven that the human body's use of Serotonin is the answer to some of the most deadly and/or debilitating diseases and conditions known to man. SIDS, for example, has been proven to be linked to Serotonin levels and the even more astounding news is that it could be the answer to nullifying all types of Diabetes.
Where do you get your information? Lack of knowledge (ignorance), can be a very dangerous thing. Did it ever occur to you that someone could read your nonsense and decide to stop their meds because of it.
Your first link to the Mayo Clinic gets me this:
We're sorry, there is no page on our site that matches your request. It's possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no longer exists.

You posted it 45min ago!
next:
Second link to the Cleveland Clinic gets me this:
Page cannot be found.
ditto for the John Hopkins
404
For the last two links I copied and pasted from my copy of your post I will try again just to be fair.
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Jan 15, 2012
 
Doctor My Eyes wrote:
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DME wrote:
Ya think?
Not according to the foremost researchers and authorities on the subject of Serotonin and SSRI's.
The Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ssris/MH0006 ...
The Cleveland Clinic http://my.clevelandclinic.org/eclevelandclini ...
Johns Hopkins School of Medicine http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/repor ...
Johns Hopkins in particular has been reporting amazing results for years on studies that have proven that the human body's use of Serotonin is the answer to some of the most deadly and/or debilitating diseases and conditions known to man. SIDS, for example, has been proven to be linked to Serotonin levels and the even more astounding news is that it could be the answer to nullifying all types of Diabetes.
Where do you get your information? Lack of knowledge (ignorance), can be a very dangerous thing. Did it ever occur to you that someone could read your nonsense and decide to stop their meds because of it.
I have tried all the links you posted twice and all of them come back as 404 page not found whatever you are trying to post it is not working care to try again?
btd

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Jan 15, 2012
 
Doctor My Eyes wrote:
Correction:
Did it ever occur to you that someone could read your nonsense and decide to stop their meds because of it?
If anyone on here does decide they want off the drugs please read these two posts
Reasons to taper slowly
and
Effexor taper schedule
most doctors do a too fast taper and the people end up back on the drugs before the years is out.
I wish I had known just how slowly these drugs needed to be tapered but I had no information at the time and only learned later at paxilprogress.org you can go there to for tapering advice support.
or search taper below and read those two threads I suggested above.

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btd wrote:
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I can only hope they do!
Did you ever thin to research who paid for the studies at those once wonderfully believable research institutions???? I know for a fact that most studies on any drug are PAID for by PHARMA.
Stop trying to insult me it will not work and you just make yourself look like an ass.
btd wrote:
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I can only hope they do!
Did you ever thin to research who paid for the studies at those once wonderfully believable research institutions???? I know for a fact that most studies on any drug are PAID for by PHARMA.
Stop trying to insult me it will not work and you just make yourself look like an ass.
Spare me. You need no help at all with insulting yourself. Your glaring faux pas is your belief that the rest of us aren't at least as intelligent and educated as you seemn to think you are. Your "knowing for a fact" does none of us any good, as indicated by who you think comes off as an ass in this conversation.

How about just trying:

The Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/

The Cleveland Clinic: http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/default....

Johns Hopkins Medicine:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/...


You will find the funding sources for each study included in the abstract of the study.

Your ignorant rhetoric defies your opinion of yourself, but you seem to be totally oblivious. Good luck with that. I will leave you now to bask in your brillance.
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Their was an editorial in the British Medical Journal a few years back entitled''The Anti-Depressants, A Triumph of Marketing Over Medicince' A friend of mine who is an A&E doctor told me that its the biggest marketing con the pharma companies have ever came up with and its about time the General Practice branch of medicine wised up to that. There own view was that only psychiatrists should be giving them out in the first instance and only after a full and proper assessment. By the way have any of you out there in screwed up by medical drugs land, how was your depression diagnosed? was anyone on this site given the Beck's Depression Inventory or the Hamilton Depression Scale, these are the 2 gold standards on paper for assessing depression, and how many of you were given a either of them beforehand? Yes none, or just about none

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Jan 15, 2012
 
I know that Paroxetine(generic paxil) has helped me a lot. Not just with depression, but also with anxiety issues. I really don't think that I'm depressed right now(if I went off of the meds that very well might change), but I still have a diagnosis of depressive disorder NOS (among other diagnoses).

I'm sure that a lot of people who take antidepressants now probably don't need them though.
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Doctor My Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
DME wrote:
Ya think?
Not according to the foremost researchers and authorities on the subject of Serotonin and SSRI's.
The Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ssris/MH0006 ...
The Cleveland Clinic http://my.clevelandclinic.org/eclevelandclini ...
Johns Hopkins School of Medicine http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/repor ...
Johns Hopkins in particular has been reporting amazing results for years on studies that have proven that the human body's use of Serotonin is the answer to some of the most deadly and/or debilitating diseases and conditions known to man. SIDS, for example, has been proven to be linked to Serotonin levels and the even more astounding news is that it could be the answer to nullifying all types of Diabetes.
Where do you get your information? Lack of knowledge (ignorance), can be a very dangerous thing. Did it ever occur to you that someone could read your nonsense and decide to stop their meds because of it.
The familiar: serotonin is a panacea for all ailments. Odd given that SSRIs are not even proven to work for depression itself.
A study just published in JAMA Jan 5 2010, reported that SSRI antidepressants are no better than placebo for most cases of depression. The authors reviewed 30 years of data and concluded that "the benefit of antidepressant medication compared with placebo may be minimal or nonexistent in patients with mild or moderate symptoms". According to the Jan 5 JAMA study, if your Hamilton score is less than 24, then placebo is just as effective as antidepressant drugs. That means they work about the same as a sugar pill. This does not even delve into the inherent bias in studies: placebo washout periods(getting rid of placebo responders before trial starts), using an inert placebo which often breaks the double blind itself, coadministering of benzos in prozacs case with FDA approval(outlined in David Healeys book Let them eat prozac).
Also According to David Healy (Let then Eat Prozac), the original clinical trial data was manipulated by moving the suicide cases from the treatment arm over to the placebo arm of the study. This manipulated data was then submitted to the FDA who conveniently looked the other way. This disturbing information was presented at a Cornell University Mar 25, 2009.
Maybe if they could get SSRIs to work for depression, they may get it to coincide with their chemical imbalance rubbish( no human has ever had serotonin measured at the synapse)
So i think you have the market cornered on ignorance, especially conflicts of interest with funding.
Try reading Joseph Glenmullens "Prozac Backlash", David Healeys, "Let them eat prozac", Robert Whitakers, "Anatomy of an Epidemic"
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But most alarming is the serotonin and perception connection. Doctor Anne Blake Tracy as well as other sources described how the hallucinogenic drug LSD strongly acts on this neurotransmitter serotonin. The numerous examples of human LSD experiences have learned us that serotonin plays a major part in perception, our sense of reality, how we experience our in- and outside world! Other examples of drugs acting on the serotonergic system are PCP and MDMA (Ecstasy). Most of the readers will recognize also these serotonergic drugs for their capability to produce "an altered state of consciousness" in human beings. In the way that the serotonergic system responds to serotonergic drugs, we may conclude that this system is heavily involved in the determination of ones perception and therefore ones thought processes and emotions. The advertisements from the pharmaceutical companies, promoting elevated serotonin levels as were they purely mood lifting, therefore seem to be rather misleading then informative. SSRI-AntiDepressants are to be considered mind-altering drugs and not primarily mood-altering.
It is note worthy that research overwhelming points to the fact that MDMA is neuro-toxic and if you refer the link below SSRIs can be to.
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/antidepre...
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Doctor My Eyes wrote:
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Spare me. You need no help at all with insulting yourself. Your glaring faux pas is your belief that the rest of us aren't at least as intelligent and educated as you seemn to think you are. Your "knowing for a fact" does none of us any good, as indicated by who you think comes off as an ass in this conversation.
How about just trying:
The Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/
The Cleveland Clinic: http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/default....
Johns Hopkins Medicine:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/...
You will find the funding sources for each study included in the abstract of the study.
Your ignorant rhetoric defies your opinion of yourself, but you seem to be totally oblivious. Good luck with that. I will leave you now to bask in your brillance.
Who are you? "Doctor My Eyes"?????

Who are you REALLY THAT YOU CAN GET MY ANSWER TO YOUR POST DELETED???

The deleted post included but was not limited to:
Responses to every single link you posted ALL came back as 404 or page does not exit... SURELY with all the crappy research that has been posted about these drug and paid for by PHARMA even you could do better than that. Are you just lazy?

I have been insulted by richer and smarter people than you WHILE NAKED!!! There is nothing you can say to me that will change my mind on these drug NOTHING!!!!! I have lived I was naked and insulted because of these drugs so give it up. I may just ignore you if you just stupid but there is always the chance you are using the drug and not responsible for you action in which case hey I have done worse while on them hence who am I to throw stones. I KNOW what it is like to find this information for the first time how confusing and distressing it all is. Even more important than all that I sure do not want to hurt you more than when/if you are in a distressed state I don't want to hurt you at all ever... it is in human and not what I am about. I can and will defend this issue and myself if need be I am not a sucker (like I was while drugged not anymore) but I do realize I too once defended these meds with all my might. Some people I love are STILL on these drugs based on my wonderful revues of them. So you see I can see both sides because I have lived both sides. The thing with me and what I know or don't know where my education came from that puzzles you it came from living it ... it came from going to hell and getting it. So when you come here where I live with the fire of hell at my back you had better bring a big stick or stay home cause I will answer the door.
It is difficult to tell who is knocking sometimes a messed up soul who is on his way to hell or a pharma rep who is afraid of losing his huge income. So either way have a good day. Being a pain in pharmas ass it not worth hurting one of my fellow sufferers, I choose to error-er on the side of compassion. As angry as it makes me it is not worth it.
There just comes a point where you KNOW and there is no going back cause you have came too far and the door slammed shut and locked. I am there. It may not be such a great place but is better than where I have been that is about all I can say for now.
I wish you peace.
thanks Ben
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Jan 16, 2012
 
If you are still taking an antidepressant do not go to this page.
If you are mostly well go there read watch the video at the bottom. For those who can no longer speak please speak for them.

http://fiddaman.blogspot.com/2012/01/guest-po...

Do it where you are where ever you can we have to start some place.
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