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'Give more autistic children prozac' says expert

There are 134 comments on the Daily Mail story from Sep 21, 2007, titled 'Give more autistic children prozac' says expert. In it, Daily Mail reports that:

“It really should be considered as part of an overall treatment package.”

Comments More autistic children in the UK should be given drugs like Prozac to control their symptoms, an expert said today. via Daily Mail

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FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#104 Nov 28, 2011
Zoompad wrote:
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My son is autistic. I will NEVER give him any of this poison.
Autistic people have communication problems. They need more time and energy from their carers to communicate. It is as simple as that!
Autism and communication simple?
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#105 Nov 28, 2011
friend wrote:
I already pointed the deleted comments to Winnipeg. Went right over your head. He's again in denial. Anyone who wants to know where, just let me know.
You are going to provide information? Stop the presses, Hell has officially frozen over. I've been waiting since 2007 for friend to back up her Big yap, but I predict there will be zippo, nada, zilch forthcoming, fifthcoming even.

Since: Jan 07

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#106 Nov 29, 2011
I have backed it up, plenty of times. If anyone other than you was interested and asked, I'd provide it. As I have said many times, the best research is that of what one researches themselves. No one listens to my opinion or yours based on personal experience. No one bases medical choice off that and I have no right to force it onto others as some do here. Anyone who is serious here will research the info but make no mistake, my info comes from actual studies, not anti vaxxer sites.

I do not waste my time on anyone who isn't serious and calls every article "garbage".
FBOMBER

Canada

#107 Nov 29, 2011
Ivar wrote:
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It is not to hide under the carpet that there have been terrible accidents where chelation agents have been mixed up and patients have died of cardiac arrest. Parents should rather be very wary of claims of working alternative treatments until more scientific evidence decide whether or not this treatment really can be helpfull.
A parent at another forum tells how he/she felt that his/her child improved developmentally with chelation, but later realized that it was just the big expectations from the chelation that made him see only what he wanted to see.
Still, alot of autistic children do develop fast often in periods of their childhood, whether or not there is any chelation or other alternative treatment.
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People should be aware that chelation also has an earlier history as an alternative treatment for a heart condition called cardiovascular disease.
It all started in 1950 when some painters at a battery plant got chelation as a treatment for lead poisoning they had got from the paint. The patients claimed that they felt a number of improvements after the chelation like "more energized", "more ability to concentrate" and ofcourse, less heart problems which made everything go KA-BOOM! and if it weren't for those painters it would probably not be chelation that would be the second alternative autism treatment up for a placebo-controlled trial.
It is pretty proven that chelation is not a good treatment for cardiovascular disease.
It is maybe just a coincidence that some alternative chelation therapists stumbled upon Andrew Wakefield's paper in 1998. Andrew Wakefield's theories about mercury causing autism is just one in a hundred of theories about what causes autism.
The mercury theory is rejected by mainstream medical community.
Thanks for rehashing a ton of nonsense and being inaccurate. I've heard of ONE case of apparent chelation at fault but the wrong agent was accidently used due to poor labelling. If you are going to go on and on, provide a link to your sources. Otherwise its just blah blah B.S.

Since: Jan 07

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#108 Nov 29, 2011
It wasn't due to poor labeling, the death was due to human error not reading the package correctly. What's worse, is the child didn't even have toxic levels of anything to warrent the use of chelation. It was profit only, at the death of that child.
A chemical is a chemical and IV chelation is far more dangerous that any other.
FBOMBER

Canada

#109 Nov 29, 2011
friend wrote:
It wasn't due to poor labeling, the death was due to human error not reading the package correctly. What's worse, is the child didn't even have toxic levels of anything to warrent the use of chelation. It was profit only, at the death of that child.
A chemical is a chemical and IV chelation is far more dangerous that any other.
The containers were too similar then and caused an error. The rest you say is GARBAGE. So Again you can't back up your trashtalk with an actual source. Credibility zero.

Since: Jan 07

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#110 Nov 29, 2011
The court records are available on the web. Anyone can find it and read it. Research it before you talk 'trash' about something you know little about, as already seen here. The facts are it was not due to poor labeling as inaccurately stated by you. The type this child had was IV chelation, it's a chemical agent, and the lost dangerous. The mercury theory is rejected by mainstream medical community, and the USA alone proves hat theory wrong.

Have you ever used chelation? I'm guessing not.

Since: Jan 07

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#112 Nov 30, 2011
If you're too lazy to locate it, fine by me. I don't care if you believe it or not. Others will look and research. That's really all that matters. All you want to do is provoke an argument. Aint going to happen but go ahead and keep up the attacking.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#114 Nov 30, 2011
Carl wrote:
Drugs are not the answer. There several educational methods: ABA, discreet trial, floor time that do work. Every program needs time to
see if it will help the child, if not try another one, or try another therapist, the child may not work with that person. But to increase
any drug for a child, is not the answer. There is no cure for autism
and drugs should not be the easy way out. Take the time to know the child and work with the parents to help the child learn.
best thing is therapy. and it needs to be started early.
and also for folks to realize there is a entire spectrum of autism. from the most severe to the high functioning form of it. even then, there are spots on it as well. it isnt just a thin line thing for the spectrum.
it can range from the slight form of it to a full blown case.
one doctor that specializes in dianosing the aspergers end of it. he has a 1 thru 8 for scale. eight being the full blown form of it.
he has the patient being tested. going thru several sessions of testing. to make sure of a dianoses.
also, the parents may not realize that they might have a milder form or all together may have the same form of it as the child. the second one is true in the aspergers end.
drugs are useless. unless the person with autism also suffers from a mental illness like bipolar. or even constant depression. then those drugs are only for that problem.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#115 Nov 30, 2011
Ivar wrote:
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Chelation is an alternative treatment that is not acknowledged by mainstream medical community. The many theories of how it supposedly works have been disproven. People like DAN! might give you the impression of otherwise. While Generation Rescue is apparently not withholding it:
http://www.generationrescue.org/last.html
[quote="Generation Rescue"]They will say you are crazy, that treatment is "quackery", and that it is unsafe and unproven.[/quote]
Please visit www.kevinleitch.co.uk for a different story than what people like DAN! might give you.
And you might want to look at the history of secretin and autism.
A phrase used by the famous autism parent Kevin Leitch says that parents should "Stop running from who their children are" rather than "not give up om curing autism". Autism is not an illness, it is not a "thing" at all, it is an aspect of who a child is.
Aspies for Freedom is a group that is very angered by how many alternative doctors have lured autism parents to such treatments that are infact sometimes dangerous. Some think that the media's view of autism as a "crippling disease" is to blame.
Here's an article:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8019...
sometimes it is not just the parents of the one on the spectrum. but at least one of the siblings.
my brother actually told me to "stuff it in the closet" it is supposedly not really a part of me. he can not accept that a sibling of his has aspergers. that it can be removed from the person. you can no more remove autism from a person. one would have better luck in removing a arm instead of trying to get rid of something that is a intrisicut part of a person. yes, I know i mis-spelt it. but as long as the reader understands the meaning....

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#116 Nov 30, 2011
Ivar wrote:
Do you actually believe autism rates are increasing in correspondence to thimerosal in vaccines?
Because it is rEaLLy easy to tell you why that's bullshit.
Imagine how much knowledge we would have about autism in the general population if the diagnosis rates were 1 in 10 000.
reasons why the rates are going up
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1. we are understanding the facts behind it. there is more research being done on it. and folks are refusing to simply toss the kids with it into a state hospital. it used to be common to simply toss the kid into a state hospital. and doctors used to urge the parents not only to do it. but to forget that they had a kid with autism.
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2. thus we are better able to see which folks have it.
2a. meaning we will be able to realize that it is very likely a equal gender thing. meaning it isnt just a 1 out of 5 being female with it. but more of a 50/50 being female the other 50/50 being the males with it.
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3. we with it are breeding. yes, breeding. I come from a long line of folks with it. and I have a daughter with it. I too have it.
3a. in some ways. it is in many ways on how like blue eyes came to be. and before anyone gets down on me about using a eye colour. remember the only base eye colour till the blue gene came into existance, was brown. I have blue eyes.

Since: Jan 07

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#117 Nov 30, 2011
I don't think drugs should be considered the way out, but I knew a mom who would put her child on Prozac if there was a slight hope of speech to form. No doctor pushed meds, the mother did.
Many with autism have anxieties, a side effect of autism or from another cause. Parents should research carefully medications and not jump right into any. My son is not on Prozac but 2 different pysch medications. It does little to help with autism behaviors but it does help with the anxieties that are caused by autism. A combination of medications have greatly helped my child's sleep disorders, which many with autism have. Without the medications, my child would only be sleeping 2 hours a day, if that.

Since: Jan 07

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#119 Nov 30, 2011
So you injected your child with synthetic secretin hormone. Interesting. That would had been used off label then, treating a sleep disorder it wasn't approved for.

Since: Jan 07

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#121 Dec 1, 2011
The topic is the use of psych meds, not secretin. No one cares what you did but I hightly doubt you injected your son with it.
Better Judgement

New Hyde Park, NY

#123 Dec 2, 2011
friend wrote:
I don't think drugs should be considered the way out, but I knew a mom who would put her child on Prozac if there was a slight hope of speech to form. No doctor pushed meds, the mother did.
Many with autism have anxieties, a side effect of autism or from another cause. Parents should research carefully medications and not jump right into any. My son is not on Prozac but 2 different pysch medications. It does little to help with autism behaviors but it does help with the anxieties that are caused by autism. A combination of medications have greatly helped my child's sleep disorders, which many with autism have. Without the medications, my child would only be sleeping 2 hours a day, if that.
The above comment by Friend was followed by a civil revelation that you, FBomber, had given your son secretin to help him sleep. This comes to the rest of us as a sincere exchange of valuable information, so why keep this kind of dialogue up instead of the back-biting that constantly goes on betwee you two. Since you are the gentleman here, FBomber, why don't you start? It will be most heartening to see.

Since: Jan 07

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#124 Dec 2, 2011
Some years back, secretin was the big hype. Come to find out, intravenous infusions of hormones was a huge industry feeding on parents desperate to cure their children and was proven ineffective as most alternative medicine is.
If Winnipeg actually used secretin on his child, that speaks volumes of how often parents try unproven medicine on their children, yet complains endlessly about vaccines.

Since: Jan 07

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#126 Dec 2, 2011
So what you're saying is out of 'love', parents will subject their children to unproven alternative medicine? That isn't love, that is nuts. There is plenty proven choices. Stating otherwise is fear factor.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#128 Dec 2, 2011
Vaccines Autism wrote:
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Thats right dopey, its why they use vaccines.
thing is, some of those alternative treatments use the same plant materials as what is in regular medicines.
many herbalists know that. but tend to go more for the gentle treatment that uses seeable plant forms. than just pills and various liquids that have been purified as well as chemically altered beyond the original chemical makeup as it was part of the plants they came from.

Since: Jan 07

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#130 Dec 5, 2011
No, that would be the person who get's their comments deleted and trust me, that isn't me. It's you.
A W was right

Canada

#131 Dec 5, 2011
friend wrote:
No, that would be the person who get's their comments deleted and trust me, that isn't me. It's you.
Strange how friend of Pharma spreads misinformation like her Pharma buddies. Must be some vile connection there.

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