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tinkerbell

Canada

#1 Jun 14, 2007
Nothing feels real lately. Like everything is fake, and I forget who I am.

Does this happen to anyone else???
Zoompad

Coventry, UK

#2 Jun 15, 2007
That's how bad depression can make you feel. Are you getting enough sleep? Cat naps can help.

Since: Jun 07

Reno, NV

#3 Jun 15, 2007
i started cuting and thats when I knew I was depresed and lately i've felt like the world is against me
Sophia

Kidderminster, UK

#4 Jun 16, 2007
This could be depersonalization disorder which has the symptoms of feeling disconnected to one's body and difficulty relating oneself to reality. It's a dissociative disorder which is considered a comorbid disorder of clinical depression.
tinkerbell

Burnaby, Canada

#5 Jun 18, 2007
I never sleep its a waste of time!
Desperate

Palmerston, Australia

#7 Aug 26, 2007
I have clinical depression with several suicide attempts (not cries for help, serious one's where I was hospitalised) and I still feel like I don't belong anywhere or part of society. Totally disassociated with 'normal people'. It's a symptom of severe depression.
going

Ireland

#8 Aug 27, 2007
I understand all your comments, feras and wonders.
I notice that the common thread among you all is that you have fakse information on the respective conditions that you have.
It seems that each of you have gotten your information from a psychiatrist and are being treated by one or a MD who has the same false information.
The malady from which the first person suffers from is a real condition but its cure can be found purely within the field of the physical healing arts. There is a undetected PHYSICAL condition that has NOT been found. ie, intolerance to wheat or gluten or an undetected physical ailment within the body.
There is NOTHING wrong spiritually with you guys. You have just been made to think that there is.
It is my belief, based on historical and medical research, that psychiatry and its arbitrary labelling and treating of mental illness have not resolved any of these illnesses simply because they do NOT have the answers. Worse they prescribe deadly drugs which don't handle the condition but drug the person into thinking everything is better. That is not a handling.
I feel for you guys and this is why, as a former patient of a psychiatrist, I implore you to challenge your psychiatrists bona fides; his knowledge and his evidence for the lies he gives you about your own mind.
Do well
Mary Sue

Sydney, Australia

#13 Aug 27, 2007
Understand that the poster 'going' is a confirmed scientologist from Dublin that trolls these forums to try tell people that they should not listen to people that have studied science based medicines. The same goes for 'Patty'.

P.S. Yes 'Patty' from Tuscon and 'going' Ireland, I am now starting to look through the various forums you are hiding in to spread your scientology poison
that has lead to deaths and suicides because you think peoples mental illness is not real.

See in the below video what can happen when you listen to advice from scientologists

http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/12.htm
http://www.mytherapy.com/discussion/topic.asp...
Mary Sue

Sydney, Australia

#15 Aug 27, 2007
Patty wrote:
<quoted text>
Pardon me? I have a degree in cognitive science from Stanford University, and in my professional opinion,'going' is more lucid, honest, and sensible than you are.
Then why do you keep lying then?
Patty wrote:
More to the point, degrees and credentials are absolutely meaningless,
Golly, you refute you own claim you made in the above. Scientology has surely made you quite stupid
Patty wrote:
and your appeal to Ad Hominem argumentation should be recognized as the fallacious drivel it is.
Sorry 'Patty', you and the other scientologists trolling these forums have been found out. What you proffer hurts people and you dont care because you believe mental illness isnt real and is all about 'spiritual assistance'. A woman names Lisa McPherson revieved 'spiritual assistance'from scientology, she DIED after being held isolated for 17 days with scientology quackery
Desperate

Ryde, Australia

#16 Aug 27, 2007
Patty wrote:
<quoted text>
You might still find a place, even if it's not associating with normal people. Plenty of famous, productive geniuses haven't gotten along with normal people.
If I ever take myself, I'm taking a bunch of psychiatrists with me, that is more sure. Strap a bomb on me and walk right into an APA convention, that's what I'll do if I decide to take myself out.
Thank you for being so compassionate. I might feel better about not belonging if I were rich and famous, or even talented, as I could put it down to that. I think I'd feel most comfortable living amongst gorilla's.(I think animals are more often than not, alot nicer than humans and gorilla's are so gentle). I realise I sound insane now. I can assure I'm not though, just going off on a tangent. Thanks for your kind words.
Mary Sue

Sydney, Australia

#17 Aug 27, 2007
Patty wrote:
<quoted text>
Pardon me? I have a degree in cognitive science from Stanford University, and in my professional opinion,'going' is more lucid, honest, and sensible than you are.
More to the point, degrees and credentials are absolutely meaningless, and your appeal to Ad Hominem argumentation should be recognized as the fallacious drivel it is.
Actually 'Patty' I dont know how I missed your comment about strapping a bomb omn yourself and wanting to blow people up. I'll be sure to point out to the relevemnt personel what you are saying.

For you Desperate, you are in Queensland and are more fortunate with your Health system than NSW. You need to find a good professional that will help you with what YOU need. There is a wonderous therapy called Acceptance Commitment Therapy that is quite groundbreaking and involves no drugs. Im sure you could find the help you need. Taking advice from the Internet is the best thing to do. Trained professionals are the best way, believe me, I was a victim of a cult and if I were to tell you my former 'reality', you would think that I was fully insane. Id like to give you some pointers, but your jopurney is your journey and giving advice online isnt the way in retrospect. Help is only as far as you are prepared to reach. And finding solace in someone suggesting that should they decide to take there own life, they would take others with them is symptomatic of self-destruction.
Krysti

South Elgin, IL

#18 Aug 27, 2007
It is true that an underlying physical cause can create symptoms similar to a mental illness (like a Thyroid disorder). Therefore, it is obviously a good idea to look for a physical cause first.

It is true also that some people have a mental illness that requires psychiatric medicine if you want to live a 'normal' life. Contrary to popular belief, these meds are not to mask your mental illness by 'drugging you up'.

Please take advice on the internet with a grain of salt and see a doctor if you are having mental health issues.

Krysti - Bipolar I
Skidaddle

Ireland

#22 Aug 28, 2007
Mary Sue wrote:
Understand that the poster 'going' is a confirmed scientologist from Dublin that trolls these forums to try tell people that they should not listen to people that have studied science based medicines. The same goes for 'Patty'.
P.S. Yes 'Patty' from Tuscon and 'going' Ireland, I am now starting to look through the various forums you are hiding in to spread your scientology poison
that has lead to deaths and suicides because you think peoples mental illness is not real.
See in the below video what can happen when you listen to advice from scientologists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =S4AwDLKb_YEXX
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/12.htm
http://www.mytherapy.com/discussion/topic.asp...
What a sick, venomous person you are.
We are dealing with the subject of depression and discussing it in open forum.
We don'e need bigotted racists like you on this Forum

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#23 Aug 28, 2007
Krysti wrote:
It is true that an underlying physical cause can create symptoms similar to a mental illness (like a Thyroid disorder). Therefore, it is obviously a good idea to look for a physical cause first.
It is true also that some people have a mental illness that requires psychiatric medicine if you want to live a 'normal' life. Contrary to popular belief, these meds are not to mask your mental illness by 'drugging you up'.
Please take advice on the internet with a grain of salt and see a doctor if you are having mental health issues.
Krysti - Bipolar I
I don't know about other countries generally, but in Britain it is common practice to screen patients for precisely those problems when mental health issues are raised. People are always screened before commital if it seems they may need that level of care.

But yes all, be very careful of scientologists trolling these forums. Their stance on mental health issues leads to only trauma and too often death. Always see your doctor first if you feel you can, and be careful from whom you take advice.

There are countless counselling services available. Most college and university campuses have counsellors or can direct you to them.

As for scientologists, please leave these boards to allow the people who need to discuss here a chance to discuss without being distracted by your lies. These forums are no place for a battleground and it's cruel and vicious of you to try peddle your wares here. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Take your battle the psychiatrists directly if you have to, but leave innocent people alone.

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#24 Aug 28, 2007
Back on thread, Tinkerbell, you say you don't sleep, that it's a waste of time. Do you feel that way all the time or does it tend to swap with the dissociative feelings?

I ask because I have a friend with manic depression. She tends to go between those two states.

I also have a friend who had her thyroid gland radiated out. Without just the right amount of medication (thyroxin) she goes from being tired but hyperactive, to feeling down or that she's dreaming though she's wide awake.
Cheapskate

Dublin, Ireland

#25 Aug 28, 2007
WolfyRik wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know about other countries generally, but in Britain it is common practice to screen patients for precisely those problems when mental health issues are raised. People are always screened before commital if it seems they may need that level of care.
But yes all, be very careful of scientologists trolling these forums. Their stance on mental health issues leads to only trauma and too often death. Always see your doctor first if you feel you can, and be careful from whom you take advice.
There are countless counselling services available. Most college and university campuses have counsellors or can direct you to them.
As for scientologists, please leave these boards to allow the people who need to discuss here a chance to discuss without being distracted by your lies. These forums are no place for a battleground and it's cruel and vicious of you to try peddle your wares here. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Take your battle the psychiatrists directly if you have to, but leave innocent people alone.
Wolfyrix

It was an alleged Scientologist who brought up the medical factors to do with Mental illness which you actually agreed with.
It seems to me that there is quite a bit of Scientology baiting on this Forum simply because they oppose quacks like psychiatrists. I was given very good advice by the Scientologists regarding how to spot a quack doctor.
They gave me information about psychiatrists and anti-depressants that allowed me to make an informed decision about my medical care.
By your theory, we should all blindly believe the likes of Mary Sue and her "friends" and go like lambs to the slaughter to a psyche hospital.
Get your facts straight.
Desperate

Ryde, Australia

#31 Aug 29, 2007
Mary Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually 'Patty' I dont know how I missed your comment about strapping a bomb omn yourself and wanting to blow people up. I'll be sure to point out to the relevemnt personel what you are saying.
For you Desperate, you are in Queensland and are more fortunate with your Health system than NSW. You need to find a good professional that will help you with what YOU need. There is a wonderous therapy called Acceptance Commitment Therapy that is quite groundbreaking and involves no drugs. Im sure you could find the help you need. Taking advice from the Internet is the best thing to do. Trained professionals are the best way, believe me, I was a victim of a cult and if I were to tell you my former 'reality', you would think that I was fully insane. Id like to give you some pointers, but your jopurney is your journey and giving advice online isnt the way in retrospect. Help is only as far as you are prepared to reach. And finding solace in someone suggesting that should they decide to take there own life, they would take others with them is symptomatic of self-destruction.
I'll definintely look into that. I've been on so many different anti-depressants it's not funny and I'm convinced they make you feel worse. None made me feel better. I have an appointment with a so-called specialist psychiatrist next week. I wish to god there was a pill you could take to make you just feel 'normal' again. It's hard to find beauty in the world, when alot of crap happens to you. I find solace in that I'm far from the only person who feels so lost. Even more worrying is realising how many of us there actually are. I'm not religious at all and I truly believe that hell can be right here on earth and not neccessarily by mental illness alone. Everyone has their breaking point, if pushed far enough.

“It's about freedom of choice.”

Since: Jun 07

Mannasas Va.

#32 Aug 30, 2007
WolfyRik wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know about other countries generally, but in Britain it is common practice to screen patients for precisely those problems when mental health issues are raised. People are always screened before commital if it seems they may need that level of care.
But yes all, be very careful of scientologists trolling these forums. Their stance on mental health issues leads to only trauma and too often death. Always see your doctor first if you feel you can, and be careful from whom you take advice.
There are countless counselling services available. Most college and university campuses have counsellors or can direct you to them.
As for scientologists, please leave these boards to allow the people who need to discuss here a chance to discuss without being distracted by your lies. These forums are no place for a battleground and it's cruel and vicious of you to try peddle your wares here. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Take your battle the psychiatrists directly if you have to, but leave innocent people alone.
They do the same sort of evaluations here in the states as well,at least when it comes to being given anti-depressants.I had to go through that before being given a four week supply of Lexapro & have t o meet with my psychiatrist in a few days & be re-evaluated to see if the medication is helping before she'll write a normal prescription or increase the dosage.
Zoompad

Coventry, UK

#38 Sep 1, 2007
Desperate wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll definintely look into that. I've been on so many different anti-depressants it's not funny and I'm convinced they make you feel worse. None made me feel better. I have an appointment with a so-called specialist psychiatrist next week. I wish to god there was a pill you could take to make you just feel 'normal' again. It's hard to find beauty in the world, when alot of crap happens to you. I find solace in that I'm far from the only person who feels so lost. Even more worrying is realising how many of us there actually are. I'm not religious at all and I truly believe that hell can be right here on earth and not neccessarily by mental illness alone. Everyone has their breaking point, if pushed far enough.
There are a lot of rich bas*ards getting very wealthy from the drug industry.

It isn't easy to overcome mental health problems. I know this miht sound mad, but you just have another look at that film, Crocodile Dundee, There is a gem of advice in that film. It's the bit where they describe the Australian bush way of coping with depression.

People need people. We need each other. That's why we are all getting so sick inside - it is the loss of our communities.

Here in the UK, the breakdown of communities was a deliberate political move, as anyone who has ever studied the 70's and 80's will be able to tell you.(Norman Tebbit, "Get on your bike")

We all need each other. People get depressed when they feel powerless, crushed and lonely. Even the church is so busy farting around with things it should have nothing to do with that it shuns the community around.

But the drugs industry is big bucks.
Desperate

Australia

#39 Sep 3, 2007
Zoompad wrote:
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There are a lot of rich bas*ards getting very wealthy from the drug industry.
It isn't easy to overcome mental health problems. I know this miht sound mad, but you just have another look at that film, Crocodile Dundee, There is a gem of advice in that film. It's the bit where they describe the Australian bush way of coping with depression.
People need people. We need each other. That's why we are all getting so sick inside - it is the loss of our communities.
Here in the UK, the breakdown of communities was a deliberate political move, as anyone who has ever studied the 70's and 80's will be able to tell you.(Norman Tebbit, "Get on your bike")
We all need each other. People get depressed when they feel powerless, crushed and lonely. Even the church is so busy farting around with things it should have nothing to do with that it shuns the community around.
But the drugs industry is big bucks.
Funny that. The happiest people I've seen in the world are the one's that live in virtual poverty (Samoa, Africa), but they have close-knit communities. Our advanced, materialistic western world has more depression and suicide. Makes you wonder.

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