The Liabilities of DENTURES or implan...
Angel

Santee, CA

#22 Nov 13, 2010
Sure, Rick ...

Here is the info I have on the dentist who performed my miracle..
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Dr. Paraon DeQuiroz
Attended the University of California @ Irvine to complete his undergraduate studies then went on to Loma Linda University School of Dentistry where he obtained his doctorate degree in dental surgery in 1995.
He received his training in implant surgery and restoration at the world renowned Nobel Biocare Implant Training Facility in 2000.
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He is now working in Beverly Hills, CA ...
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I guess if I were you, I'd start by looking for someone in YOUR area who also received training at Nobel ...
I know that my dentist has just got back from a confernce in Germany where the All on 4 was/and has now been accepted as a 'standard'....
Your dentist is going to have to be part engineer ... lol Very precise.

Remember ... implants can be inserted by any dentist ... they do not have a requirment in order to offer/perform .... STAY AWAY FROM MINI IMPLANTS. Yes, they are cheaper, but of course ... too narrow and easily breakable. Spend your money once.
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#23 Nov 14, 2010
Angel, you are absolutely, totally, 100% correct. I had all uppers extracted & was really concerned about money so I thought I would try dentures. After an extremely brief time, I knew this was never going to work for me. I almost went from dentures to an implant supported denture.
Thank God I found an implant/surgeon/former prosthodentist who suggested putting 6 implants in, instead of 4, and going straight to a fixed bridge. I understand this is the closest thing to natural teeth you will ever have.
The cost between a an implant supported denture and a fixed bridge was a few thousand dollars more. In my case, I am using my retirement now...so I can live, eat, chew or whatever. I quip that I will have the best smile in the homeless shelter. That is really gallows humor, but as many of you know, after what we have all been through, we are ready to walk through fire (as many of us already have) to do what it takes to be able to live in peace with our dental decisions.
Best to you all. I am so looking forward to my bridgework (and marrying my eHarmony sweetheart) at age 56 in August, 2011. We dental survivors are one determined, rugged bunch.
Angel

Santee, CA

#24 Nov 14, 2010
Michele - Congratulations on both occassions! I would try EHarmony too .... beats the heck out of the dating scene ....

I was also one of the few who said dentures would never work for me .... A nightmare for me is even thinking I might have to wear one sometime in the future ....

Have you started on your implant surgery yet??? It is a piece of cake compared to dental extractions .... fillings hurt worse.

Good for you .... you're a wise woman who plans ahead!
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#25 Nov 14, 2010
Angel, I just had the implant surgery on Thursday. You are correct, I was scared to death about having what I considered to be deck screws in my head...but, the extractions really were so much worse. The hardest climb is over!!

I would really never have stumbled upon the fixed bridge idea...it was dumb luck...but then again....I remembered reading it here somewhere too. Forums like this are incredible.

I think we all have a lot of courage. And yeah, eHarmony! Turns out we both knew the same friends and live 15 mins from each other, and never realized we even work in the same field. And this man sat with me thru the extractions and the implants....this is a keeper!

Best of luck to everyone in their journey!! Michele
Angel

Santee, CA

#26 Nov 14, 2010
Michele ... your journey is almost over! How long before he puts a "temp" bridge on, or are you wearing your regular denture until your permanent bridge is ready?

Time goes by so quick ... and like I said, one way or another it is going to pass, and wow, for your wedding day you will be smiling with your own new teeth!

You're on the homestretch ....
michele

Shortsville, NY

#27 Nov 15, 2010
Angel, I still have the immediate denture which apparently we will manage with until July or August & the new fixed bridge. Is this similar to what you did? I was going to move from the immediate to the permanent denture, but am going to put that $ towards the bridge.

So glad to hear you love yours!
Angel

Santee, CA

#28 Nov 15, 2010
Nope .... I went the long route ... Have you read the thread on here Cheer Up New Denture Wearers??? A tad novella-like, but very informative on how some of us had to go through a couple of hoops to get to the 'dream'. I used a snap in until I finally got the opportunity to step up to the bridge. But my implants were already healed, so they made me a temporary bridge to wear while the permanent one was being fashioned. They used the temporary to make sure I liked the "teeth" - fit - and that it would actually perform perfect on All Four .... it was also made of acrylic (yuk).... What a difference the permanent one is! Porceline teeth just grind right through food .... it used to take me so long to eat, I always ended up being the last one from the table after even the most patient guest would sit with me until I was 'done'.... haha ...

Going from a denture to the bridge may be a bit overwhelming for you .... you may want to have Prince Charming there with you - you may swoon!

The difference before they even close up the holes in the back teeth of the bridge will have you chomping at the bit and that last hour will seem like forevvvvvvver.
Marsha

Elmsford, NY

#29 Nov 16, 2010
Another possible liability to note is possible zinc poisoning that comes from using denture creams such as polident and fixodent to keep dentures in place. http://www.neuropathy-zinc-toxicity-dental-cr...
Rick

United States

#30 Nov 18, 2010
Just curious as to what others are paying for implants, I did some checking around locally as Angel suggested, I still can't find anyone who does the all on four, I think they all went south for the winter. What I've found is approx. 20 K for two sinus lift bonegrafts and six implants, plus for a upper bridge which is only removable by the dentist,another 18 K. This seems kind of steep, especially for the bridge. When I talked to my dentist about the implant supported denture, he said that they would be using the same one I have now, sans palate. I see above that Michele had one for a couple of thousand more, which would seem more realistic, any response would be welcome. Thank you.
Angel

Santee, CA

#31 Nov 18, 2010
Yep ... about right for a fixed bridge and 6 implants, etc. About 40K

That is a lot of work and not all that much money.

How much does a root canal and crown cost for each tooth? No one thinks much about it when you say , oh, I have to have a root canal and crown put on and it is going to cost me $1800 ....

You have to understand that all of those procedures you have listed and have to have are time consuming for both you and your dentist and will require many visits - heck - your dentist has to be part engineer just to get the posts and the bridge to come together. You will probably have a minimum of 14-16 teeth in the upper arch ... so if you take 40k and divide it by even 14 that is only about 3k ea tooth. No - I'm not a dentist, I don't work for a dentist, nor did I know a thing about implants until I was told that a denture was in my future. But I spent at least 40k prior for fillings, crowns, partials, root canals, deep cleanings etc. So - spend your money once and wisely. Get a permanent bridge. If you can't find someone to do the all on 4 it doesn't matter - just get a bridge. You will never be happy with a denture that snaps on when you already know that there is an alternative. Please believe me.
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#32 Nov 19, 2010
Rick,

You are SOOO in the right place here!!! I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't found this forum. Friends & family can only be just so supportive, and they cannot know your particular journey or how things feel in YOUR mouth.

I was so confused about the dentures/implants/mini implants/yadda yadda that I almost did what Angel did & went from dentures to an implant supported denture. In her defense, my primary dentist heard my $$$ concerns & went there with a solution.

It was not until I read a lot of the posts here saying that there are other options (fixed bridge) that I was like...oh....really? It is scary how you can spend $20K or whatever and not really understand what your options are. I don't know about you all, but I went to no fewer than 5 different dentists in researching all this & I still felt like I was in a crap shoot. It was not until I found these forums where I began to understand my options.

I live in NY, Rick, but would be happy to ask my specialist for a referral for you. I have learned, if nothing, that it costs nothing to ask.

Take heart, you never know who or what is going to be around the next corner in your life to offer support, wisdom, or just the right answers/information you need.
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#33 Nov 19, 2010
Rick,

My 6 implants + 2 sinus lifts were $15,100. I negotiated a 3% discount. The fixed bridge will cost $10K. I have never spent this much money on anything, including a car!! I had to make the decision to "go" and then not look back or have buyer's remorse.

Cheaper is not always better. What you want is someone who does this all day long. Take your time, research, and ask questions. My practice has a treatment coordinator for the doc & I can email her with questions...that works great as I can compose them as they come up, and she can email me when she gets time. So many times, when you are under stress, or in the chair, or on the phone, you feel pressured & not able to ask the questions you want to ask.

Good luck to you!
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#34 Nov 19, 2010
Angel,

Ha Ha! So funny you said Prince Charming...that is what my friends call him!!

I was thinking, I wish we didn't live on different coasts...I'd like to see your beautiful smile!!

PS It is snowing in Rochester NY this morning!:)
Angel

Santee, CA

#35 Nov 19, 2010
Thank you - I'd like to meet you too ..... if you want, you can go to mytvdentist.com .... I am the old-tired-out woman talking on the video.... by this time I was over a year into my journey ... and wearing a snap-in ..... and while wearing one is a ton better than a bridge - at that time my bridge was just a dream. Now ... although that video doesn't apply ... it is the reason I was on the forum seeking support ... I hit my bottom. The last month or so since this bridge is in, my whole personality has changed and I am so much back to my happy-go-lucky self .... Like I said ... the bridge is not like your own teeth ... it is a zillion times better than a denture. Make sure you have a great WaterPik type appliance and threaders on hand ... and a REGULAR toothbrush ready, because you are never going to need denture products again .... ever..... You are going to be insanely happy. Thanks for posting your positive experience ... people just don't know ...
Rick

United States

#36 Nov 19, 2010
Thank you Angel and Michele for your response on my last questions. Michele, if you could find a referral in my area that would be great. Angel, I have worked for over 37 yrs. with dental insurance and the most I had to pay was 65.00 for a root canal so excuse me for thinking 40 K was a bit extreme.Also add to the fact that insurance will pay nothing towards implant dental work. The surgeon I can see, but 18 K for a bridge that is nothing more than ceramic or porcelin tile is nothing short of piracy, it should be titanium for that price. the implants are placed/directed by a computer generated program so the engineering part of the process is eliminated. Prior to my denture, I had a six tooth bridge that might have ran 2 K and worked fine for 30 yrs. Now I need one that would be 13 teeth which is basically set up on six implants instead of two root bases. Please don't get me wrong, I do appreciate all the advice and information this thread provides,I just don't see the justification of the fees.
Angel

Santee, CA

#37 Nov 19, 2010
Rick - I guess we will have to agree to disagree. My dentist did not use a computer-generated anything. The procedures for the implants (not mini) took months .. time between procedures takes months .... That 6 tooth bridge you bought 30 years ago would cost you a heck of a lot more now ... I have also always had insurance - these procedures are not covered and I had to pay them either cash or credit. I paid for them. I am not going to justify the fees - but I do know that they are the going price, and since I have gone through extractions, bone grafts, sinus lift, implants, snap ins and then a permanent bridge, I don't think the price is outrageous .... My opinion. I also wouldn't give you my bridge for a million bucks. It fits. Dentures were a nightmare for me..... I think you should do what you need to do for yourself - I don't know how much your dentures will cost you with your insurance, but I don't think you'll be happy .... again, just my opinion. Good luck .... please post your progress. Everyone is interested to see how each of us go on this journey ....
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#38 Dec 6, 2010
Angel wrote:
Thank you - I'd like to meet you too ..... if you want, you can go to mytvdentist.com .... I am the old-tired-out woman talking on the video.... by this time I was over a year into my journey ... and wearing a snap-in ..... and while wearing one is a ton better than a bridge - at that time my bridge was just a dream. Now ... although that video doesn't apply ... it is the reason I was on the forum seeking support ... I hit my bottom. The last month or so since this bridge is in, my whole personality has changed and I am so much back to my happy-go-lucky self .... Like I said ... the bridge is not like your own teeth ... it is a zillion times better than a denture. Make sure you have a great WaterPik type appliance and threaders on hand ... and a REGULAR toothbrush ready, because you are never going to need denture products again .... ever..... You are going to be insanely happy. Thanks for posting your positive experience ... people just don't know ...
Hi Angel!!! I was thrilled to check out your video. You are such an inspiration to so many people. I think every day what you said about how time will go by quickly & I try not to get stuck in the moment...to think ahead and to stay positive. Things are good. I had 2 dentist appts today & am about about a month post-op with implants....they tell me the healing is "beautiful." Did you ever think a bald mouth would be described like that?! LOL.

Good luck to everyone going through whatever you are....this forum is wonderful.

Happy Holidays.....it's a pretty season here now as we have a LOT of snow!!!****** Michele ******
Angel

Santee, CA

#39 Dec 6, 2010
Michele ... I know the difference btw a mouth w/implants and one that doesn't have any, and I know that yours IS gorgeous. Yes - no matter what you do, time keeps passing and you can say 1 year from now, I am done .... or you could have chose to have procrastinated doing anything and still be where you were .... I AM GLAD YOU MOVED FORWARD. When I read some of these posts people say "I can't ...." because of whatever they perceive is their obstacle. Most people, can move forward - they need to change their priorities .... the first thing to get out of the budget is junk/out-food, cigarettes and alchohol .... that is usually a monthy payment that many people won't give up. Like I said - some people are true victims and will never move past dentures for whatever reasons .... for that I am sorry. But for the rest of us ... and that was me too .... you just have to move on.
Good for you .... cannot wait for your next post ... I'm excited for you!
Rick

Grand Rapids, MN

#40 Dec 19, 2010
Angel and Michele....Thank you again for your advice and experience. Michele if you possibly ask your specialist if there is someone in the Duluth Mn. that he recommends, that would be great. Angel, the cost thing that irks me is that the cost of living on either coast is greater than the northern plain states, and if Michele's cost was approx. 25 K , I would assume it would run at most the same or less here, not 15 K more. I'm not sure if you were aware of it from your last reply, but I have had a full upper denture since New Years Eve last year, and I like you, still have not adjusted to it. I still have gagging issues and actually apply Fixodent powder once, then mist it, and repeat once more to have ample adhesion.I picked this up on one of your post's, Thank you. Then, after I eat, I end up re-gooing again. I can't believe that insurance regards implants as a cosmetic procedure, as even after a year, wearing the denture has affected my life immensely. Thank you both for all your on-going help to myself and all the others you have encouraged.
michele

Shortsville, NY

#41 Dec 20, 2010
Rick,

Hang in there. No pun intended! Ha ha. Aren't we a silly bunch?? Have to laugh, or this would have us crazy.

Someone said to use PolyGrip powder & I tried it; I do dust it on like flouring a cake pan, then tap a lot of it off. My perio guy said not to put the adhesive in the channels...well hell, if you don't...you just rock & roll. I found that if I do not have enough suction I get some of that mild gagging thing...but I try to calm down & re-focus on something else...when I am at work I can deal with dentures better than say, if I am at home cleaning (boring).. then I want to take 'em out.

Have you ever taken yours out & put them on the passenger seat when driving? Yikes, I did that recently & almost had an accident....would NOT like to be calling in a crash while toothless!

I emailed my dentist about someone in your area. They didn't get back to me but I will remind them. Remember, try to negotiate if you can. Angel is right, keep plugging along & keep positive. Yes, some days are diamonds, some days are stone...as those of us old enough to remember Joan Baez know. But, the bad ones will pass and we can re-live the good ones as much as we want to if we decide to do that. I think life is too short to endure crappy dentures or for that matter, crappy anything!

Take care all, and have a peaceful and good
Christmas.

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