Disappointed in overdenture with 4 i...

Since: Oct 09

Plano, TX

#62 Oct 15, 2010
Marian wrote:
Thommy - In the beginning did your gums ever feel sensitive.
Sometimes it burns on my front tooth. Maybe it's too soon to tell.
I'm on an antibiotic this week and just wearing my temporary denture. Not up to all the trauma of getting this thing out.
Adjusted to top temporary denture much easier than this. Don't
know if i'll ever get used to it.
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Yes, my gums definitely feel sensitive at the front top, just behind the 4 implants......and this is after more than 2 years.
I have a top trimmed "U" shaped implant denture. It has been trimmed down to almost less than 1/4" of acrylic behind the 4 top implant rings.

2 years of daily, constant, almost every moment, annoying "soreness" sensation on the upper front rugae area.
Driving in the car, talking to people, eating, sitting, walking, working......constantly my attention is sucked into how uncomfortable I am with these dentures.

Dentures are horrible.
"Implant supported dentures" are less horrible, but they still are a clumsy piece of plastic.

I resent the periodontist who conned me into these when all I had asked one day was "What about some cosmetic veneers? How much are they?" His office told me that there was NO liability to wearing dentures other than it takes some time to learn how to chew.(I took a clipboard with paper to take notes...this was the ONLY liability I was told.) This periodontist also markets himself as an "implant specialist" and sold me a $22,000 package for these implants. He left a hole in my mouth where he pulled a tooth and refused to fix it. The dentures which he farmed out were nothing like what he had marketed in the beginning from his display model. I was forced to go elsewhere to buy some dentures which did not "pooch out" from under the gumline...and I got the best which cost another 5-8 grand.

There are many liabilities to wearing dentures...from food sticking to teeth ALL the time, to inhibition of taste and glands in the mouth, to speech impediments, to discomfort, to jaw bones slowly disintegrating away, to facial deformation and odd wrinkles over time, to leeching of chemicals into the body, to unhealthy accumulation of food particles under the dentures during working hours after a meal, to continuous maintenance and adjusting.
Many denture wearers can not wait to take them out at the end of the day.
Dentures suck.
Angel

Santee, CA

#63 Oct 15, 2010
Thommy ..... hang in there .... just do one implant at a time until you get as many as you need up top to put on a bridge. It doesn't matter if you can only afford one a year ... at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. You are still working ...there must be a way you So what if it takes 5 years? If you don't start now, at the end of 5 years you will still be stuck with a denture you ate ... can you justify saving $100 a month which could pay for 1 implant a year ... Do not give up - you do not need to go through the rest of your life miserable.... And it doesn't have to be an overnight procedure .... You hang in there ... You of all people would appreciate 'the end.'
michele

Shortsville, NY

#64 Oct 24, 2010
Hi,

I had all upper teeth extracted 9/20/10 with an immediate upper. Appearance is ok but I hate having what feels like a snow shovel in my mouth. I am 56 & have suffered with dental stuff all my life, like most who have posted here. Can't believe how much strength & endurance so many of us have!! People who have not been thru this really don't understand. How could they?

I am draining my retirement & am going for 6 implants on 11/11 & will get a hybrid. My family thinks I am crazy & should just get used to dentures, but I am in public speaking & need to feel confident & at peace to function. I know the denture is temporary & there is healing but I don't think I am the type of person who could ever get used to this thing in my mouth. I am so focused on it.....I cry every day. I hope the fixed bridge will give me a new lease on life. I have just met an amazing man & we are talking about marriage. Thank God he is so supportive.

How long does it take between implants & bridge? Specialist seems to imply about 9 months. In the meantime, I will have to wear this temporary denture, which has already had 2 soft & 1 hard reline. I am miserable with it.

Thanks for listening. I am so grateful for you & this forum.
Angel

Santee, CA

#65 Oct 24, 2010
Yes .... that sounds like a resonable amount of time - a month or so sooner if you're really lucky.

It will go fast - honest - time is going to pass either way, so waiting for a better ending is better than not having anything to look forward too. I am glad you are skipping the overdenture and going right for the bridge .... best decision you could have made....... the bridge is not EXACTLY like your own teeth ------ but a trillion times better than wearing your snow shovel.

People who don't wear a denture should be entitled to NO opinion ..... excuse their ignorance ... lol. Just what do they think you should spend your money on???

I have to have these front bottom teeth crowned .... it is going to cost me about as much as my bridge .... Funny thing .... telling people I am getting crowns seems to be more "acceptable" ..... saying "implant" seems to imply that I am paying "too much" money. Stupid people. LOL

I hope you post your progress .... I am interested hear about your progress .... meanwhile, make the best of the denture .... just think .... this time next year you will have had your bridge for 3 months! See ..... time flys!
patty - ft myers fl

North Fort Myers, FL

#66 Jan 1, 2011
so glad to fine this forum. Had all my lowers pulled in early July. Humiliating, defeating, actually makes me feel my professional career is over.

Cant' talk. I had lowers pulled ( some were already gone) and they put in two implants. Sent me home with this ghastly huge immediate fakey plate expecting me to face the world this way. NO way. It jumped all over my mouth.l I would glue it down but in 2 to 3 hours, it was all over the good was running out the sides, extra salivation.
They had to come out!!! cannot tell how may meetings I attended, could hardly talk, wanted to try cry and then left rapidly, headed for the car and pulled them out.
I of course lived for the " implants"
Well, I have had them now for 3 weeks. I have had two adjustments. I have the blue rings.
They started with white and nearly killed me in the chair.
Removing these, by the way, Hurts terribly, brings tears to my eyes. Also, the gum seems to be sloughing away from the implant.The whole gum seems messed up. Getting lumps where I had none.

Sometimes the implants ache.
Did I mention that I cannot eat ONE bite of food with them? NO sir, not one bite. neither side sits down. They rock. The locators do not seem to match up. I push and i push to get them on and I never feel I get more than one side on. I actually believe the metal circle on the left implant has become bent from my trying.
So tired of going back in there and nothingt changes yest I cannot accept this! I feel they need to make a new pair!'can't they xray and see if the implant is actually going into the the stupid locator? I know it isn't. I have endued all the holidays eating with no teeth, off to myself to hide like a thing that hides under a bridge
I wont leave the house unless I have a meeting at work. This is not going well. Cannot sit and talk with people.

Help please. I am broke. I spent all I had on this
torture. Should I see another doctor to just see if he will will give me an unbiased opinion as to if these are alright or not? They can't be right.
I cannot eat anything. I am still salivating. Just shoot me.

Would love to hear any encouragement of advice or pump me up to take on this dentist. The first day he made me sign a form saing they were Ok when I could not tell squat, I was aching from the pain he put me through trying to snap those white locator loops on those sore implants.]
Sorry to fuss so. No moments pass without me worried about this. I don't wear them unless I have to.
Angel

Santee, CA

#67 Jan 1, 2011
Whoa ... let's start over here ... did you have mini implants put in and the same time the over denture was snapped on? Or did you have regular implants put in, waited for months while they healed, and then have the snap in put on? You have 2 implants? One on each side of the bottom or in the front? Yes, implants may ache for a year or so - things like too cold, etc. seem to make the implant cold and then the bone sort of aches. The "teeth" should have been made after your implants were seated. Are you wearing the SAME plate that was put in after your extractions? I had red rings (black the loosest) and REGULAR implants ... they didn't hurt to take out because I was well healed, but sometimes it took a lot to get them in and out. I always had to pop one sie first and then pull the other. Yours SHOULD NOT rock. I think I would really raise some Hell during your next visit. And yes - I would have a second opinion ...
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#68 Jan 2, 2011
Patty,

I do not have what you are going through--although my situation is different, I have raised hell in different forms with dentists, as this is your MOUTH and your LIFE. I know it is hard, but keep speaking up, showing up, and not giving up. What you are enduring is simply not ok without some sort of explanation (like, expect some discomfort for x amount of time,etc). When I had all my teeth extracted & a top immediate denture put in, they pretty much told me it would suck during the healing process (no pun intended..it did not..suck!!) AND I knew I was in for a challenge. But at no time did I just put up with pain.

I tactfully made myself a squeaky wheel until & unless adjustments were made. Dentistry is a business & if yours is smart, should understand that YOU are the customer, you have the power to refer people to them ($$) or NOT.

Is there a treatment coordinator or someone you can ask to meet with for a consultation? Sometimes it helps to have a friend or family member with you, for support & I hate to say it, to help not let you get pushed around (it works, sad but true).

Please let us know how it turns out. Hang in there.
Michele

Shortsville, NY

#69 Jan 2, 2011
Patty,

I forgot to add a ps to my last post.

I went in for a hard reline last week & the dentist said, no problem....your dentures don't fit...we'll be happy to do the hard reline for $350. This was after I had a soft reline months ago soon after extractions, which cost me a couple hundred bucks, plus I-don't-know-how-many "temporary" adjustments from the perio & regular dentist (those were no charge but didn't last too long either).

I was not told clearly that all of these relines would be extra money. Consequently, I was nice but very firm about that this last time 'round. The office did the hard reline @no charge. It was worth more to them to have a happy customer than to argue over a fee.....

I also had a flipper issue last summer & went back a lot because I could not wear it & after 3 different appliances they DID find something that worked.

My point is, you may have to adjust to things, but you do NOT have to suffer. Good luck to you!
Angel

Santee, CA

#70 Jan 2, 2011
You got it Michele ... I have always wondered why people do not question/confront their doctors and dentists. They are just book-learned people who happen to have chose medicine as their occuapation/career - i.e. SOURCE OF INCOME. They are not gods. It makes me sick when I hear patients meekly say "yes, Doctor..." as if whatever they are told is gospel truth and they have no choice. I don't know how many times I have been sitting in the chair next door and want to get up, run next door and run interference.
patty - ft myers fl

North Fort Myers, FL

#71 Jan 4, 2011
Angel wrote:
Whoa ... let's start over here ... did you have mini implants put in and the same time the over denture was snapped on? Or did you have regular implants put in, waited for months while they healed, and then have the snap in put on? You have 2 implants? One on each side of the bottom or in the front? Yes, implants may ache for a year or so - things like too cold, etc. seem to make the implant cold and then the bone sort of aches. The "teeth" should have been made after your implants were seated. Are you wearing the SAME plate that was put in after your extractions? I had red rings (black the loosest) and REGULAR implants ... they didn't hurt to take out because I was well healed, but sometimes it took a lot to get them in and out. I always had to pop one sie first and then pull the other. Yours SHOULD NOT rock. I think I would really raise some Hell during your next visit. And yes - I would have a second opinion ...
Hi
patty - ft myers fl

North Fort Myers, FL

#72 Jan 4, 2011
Hi Angel,
Thanks for your post. You are right, I need to " whoa" and start over here. All this has happened rapidly while I am trying to hold down my job etc.
My implants were put in at the time of the extraction ( 2) lower, front, approximately where the upper canine teeth are. Bone grafting was done and implants were inserted ( Not familiar with mini implant terminology) there were small yes. From this surgery, I was sent directly to dentist office for an immediate denture so I could go to work. The plan was then I would heal for approx 3 months and then the little implants removed and bigger ones put on. After this, I went through a bunch of impressions. Finally they gave me this final product, over denture over the permanent implants. They are currently held on with blue rings. So no bottom teeth and just two implants.
So I go back to dentist Friday morning. I plan to tell him that :1. They rock and I know this is wrong. 2. I cannot eat with them. 3. I can only really get one side to go on. 4. They hurt to come out. 5.I have a sore spot under the over denture and 6. there seems to be too much gum in the back.
Do you think this sounds concise and he can actually fix these things.

I hope your teeth are doing alright. Again thanks for answering me Angel.

Patty
Angel

Santee, CA

#73 Jan 4, 2011
Patty:
1. Yes - they should NOT rock if the implants were PROPERLY implanted into the right places.

2. You should be able to eat with no problem.

3. The denture holes do not line up with your implants. That is wrong. They can fix that and SHOULD.

4. They should not hurt. Pressure, maybe, but pain - NO.

5. Yes, that spot can be adjusted - and should.

6. Yes - they can certainly trim the gum.

I think you're going to have to get a little confrontive and more aggressive in demanding that this denture be made (or remade) to fit you. Tell them that this is not the product or result that you were sold and you expect them to make it right. You have to tell them what you want. Do not wait for them to offer because they won't. I have never heard of implants being ready after only 3 months. Maybe that is why you still have pain??? Let us know.
Joy K

United States

#74 Jan 17, 2011
I too am having terrible problems with my overdenture. It is loose and I just got it. I have put in new orings, doesn't do any good. I didn't know they had red ones, though, may see if they will work.
I love the way it looks, just doesn't fit right.

Since: Oct 09

Plano, TX

#75 Jan 24, 2011
Patty,
Really, they should have put in a total of 4 implants for your lowers.

Many dentists do not know what they are doing with dentures, nor with denture implants.
Many dentists do not tell their patients all of the liabilities involved with dentures or implant dentures(there are many, many, many liabilities......there is a long list of disadvantages or potential problems).

I have had my implant dentures for 2 1/2 years.
They are top of the line and very trimmed narrow hoseshoe style... and I hate wearing them.
Everyday, I have all day discomfort with this bulky plastic and go through long routines of "coping" (such as sneaking to wash out my dentures and mouth after every snack and after every meal).

It can become overwhelming when sitting in the dental office trying to think and describe your situation.
Write down your complaints and draw diagrams of denture problems which you want to address.
This will help in handling the dentist.
patty - ft myers fl

North Fort Myers, FL

#76 Jan 24, 2011
Thommy wrote:
Patty,
Really, they should have put in a total of 4 implants for your lowers.
Many dentists do not know what they are doing with dentures, nor with denture implants.
Many dentists do not tell their patients all of the liabilities involved with dentures or implant dentures(there are many, many, many liabilities......there is a long list of disadvantages or potential problems).
I have had my implant dentures for 2 1/2 years.
They are top of the line and very trimmed narrow hoseshoe style... and I hate wearing them.
Everyday, I have all day discomfort with this bulky plastic and go through long routines of "coping" (such as sneaking to wash out my dentures and mouth after every snack and after every meal).
It can become overwhelming when sitting in the dental office trying to think and describe your situation.
Write down your complaints and draw diagrams of denture problems which you want to address.
This will help in handling the dentist.
hi THOMMY. yes, I should have had 4 imPLANTS.AT THE TIME, one does not know what you are doing.:The oral surgeon and dentists are making all the decisions for you all while flabbergasting you with the expense. I got the dentist to fix a sore spot that was killing me. Still over salivating. He adjusted the overdenture so that I can get it on both implants now. Now that I am out of pain from the rubbing, and have both sides snapped on, I can further assess that the right back teeth are too tall. and actually everything feels too loose except where they snap on. This stuff certainly does a number on your self confidence.
I HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL. THANKS FOR THE POST.
pATTY
James Haring

Chicago, IL

#78 Mar 18, 2011
i just found this forum.. looks interesting... and also with Patty's too. Hi Patty, you may want to get your claims or refunds just in case you felt like you're implants have failed. Visit this site..
http://www.poligriplawsuits.com .

GSK has been facing Poligrip lawsuits too. Something to do with dentures or denture creams.
Susie

Portsmouth, RI

#79 May 11, 2011
I began this thread in August '10 and am still miserable with my overdenture on top. This is my 2nd one.( I didn't pay for the 2nd one). Even with 3 black o-rings and 1 pink o-ring, there is still too much movement. When I bite on my left side, it kind of pops up on the right, and visa versa. My dentist thought that I was having this problem
because I lacked my 2 last molars on my lower left side, so I was favoring the right side. When I bit down on the right side, the left side of my overdenture popped up. He thought that it I had 2 implants on the lower left, with crowns, I would eliminate this problem. Well, last Dec I had the implants done on lower left, and last week I had the crowns put on them, so now I have 3 lower left molars. Guess what...I still have the same problem. The dentist wanted me to practice chewing on the left side, which I did, and the right side would pop up. Right now he doesn't have the tightest o-rings in and I find myself, playing with it in my mouth because it's not secure. It's become a habit. If I bite on the left, it pops on the right, and visa versa. If I push on my upper front teeth on the denture with my lower teeth, it kind of loosens both left and right on the denture. It's so hard to explain in "writing". All I know is that it isn't secure in my mouth. He has changed the o-rings 100's of times, and I know he's completely exasperated. Tomorrow I'm going in and asking him to replace all the o-rings with the tightest, and hopefully I'll be able to get it out. He did this once and I couldn't, but I was trying in front of him, which is like taking off a tight ring....it just gets tighter. I will tell him how disgusted I am and that I'll need to have it replaced with something more permanent. So.....I essentially thru out 10,000 and will have to now pay about 28,000....not including the 2 additional implants on top. The Specialist here does not want to do it with only 4 implants. So....again its the implants, the wait of another 6 mo, etc. etc. My only question to Angel is, will I have to remain with my overdenture until the 2 additional implants are healed. I know that this is really a question for the Specialist, who I have already seen twice. I know this is long-winded, but I had to vent.
Angel

Santee, CA

#80 May 12, 2011
oh wow .... so disappointed .... I wrote a really long detailed response to you Susie .... and apparently it did not go through ...

well - shorter version = I'm pretty sure you will wear your over denture until your implants are healed - what would be your alternative? No teeth? Bridges and new teeth cannot be placed immedieately unless your doctor is doing mini-implants, and, thankfully, it sounds like he is doing the right thing by you and putting in regular implants which are much stronger and should last you forever.

I had the same problem with rocking and o-rings, i finally found a workable, but not perfect combination .... and I always had trouble getting them out ... like I said, I used to sit on the carpet or middle of the bed to remove them because I was afraid they would go flying and break.

At least every day is one day closer to a permanent solution for you, and thankfully you are able to dig-deep and make it happen - I think dentures are their own kind of hell for some people like me as much as they are heaven for others .... Time will pass - it has already ... August 10 was a long time ago .... you will get through this .... It is good to hear that your dentist is so accomodating ... so many would have dismissed you by now from their own frustration ... THANK YOU FOR POSTING ..... PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED .... YOU ARE HELPING OTHERS AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW IT ....
linda

Bronx, NY

#81 May 19, 2011
am with you thommy, i had my dentures for over 2 years, 4 inplants on the top and bottom,and i hate them,big bulk plastic in my mouth,that is all i think about in the morning and at night,what to eat out,really don;t enjoy meals only ice cream, would do anything to have my teeth back.
Thommy wrote:
Patty,
Really, they should have put in a total of 4 implants for your lowers.
Many dentists do not know what they are doing with dentures, nor with denture implants.
Many dentists do not tell their patients all of the liabilities involved with dentures or implant dentures(there are many, many, many liabilities......there is a long list of disadvantages or potential problems).
I have had my implant dentures for 2 1/2 years.
They are top of the line and very trimmed narrow hoseshoe style... and I hate wearing them.
Everyday, I have all day discomfort with this bulky plastic and go through long routines of "coping" (such as sneaking to wash out my dentures and mouth after every snack and after every meal).
It can become overwhelming when sitting in the dental office trying to think and describe your situation.
Write down your complaints and draw diagrams of denture problems which you want to address.
This will help in handling the dentist.
Susie

Tiverton, RI

#82 May 20, 2011
My dentist finally had my denture fixed with 4 clear o-rings (the tightest, and the teeth on the right side were replaced to work with my 2 new implants on the bottom. I must say that it is an improvement and I don't find it"rocking" like it did before. It's not too difficult to remove. I still plan on going ahead with a permanent fixture on top some time soon, but I wanted to make sure that my denture was fitting better since I"ll have to wear it for at least 6 months after I have 2 more implants on top. I must say that this overdenture with the 4 implants is more comfortable than it had been. It doesn't seem to collect as much "stuff" as it had before. The person who's going to make the permanent fixture is a prostodontist, not the same dentist.

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