Disappointed in overdenture with 4 implants

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Aug 15, 2010
 
Susie ... I did not have the bar. I read about it and asked my dentist what is the difference between having it or not and he said it was just the procedure that each dentist personally likes to work with. I guess maybe I was just pretty lucky, because I could have lived with the overdenture that I had - I could eat anything and other than needing to rinse my mouth it was fine. You can ask your dentist to thin out the acrylic behind the teeth - I did... I told him it felt bulky ... once they thinned it down, I was fine. If you have a tooth that is falling out and it is located below the locator (implant)... hear me .... YOUR DENTURE DOES NOT FIT YOU CORRECTLY. Pressure should be equal on all of the implants, one should not be taking more than another, so your teeth should not be falling out. That is probably why you are having problems with it not
feeling snug. Your bite is off, or the locators need to be replaced. Your teeth should not be falling out and your dentist should not just be repairing the denture but be taking care of what is causing the problem. Tell him that you think either his product is of poor quality and you want it replaced and you want a better fit. It only takes about 30 minutes to repair your teeth. Tell your dentist you want to wait - see what he says. Also, I don't know why the temporary that you have can't be shaved or carved out to allow for the locator bar .....?????
Angel

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Aug 15, 2010
 
BAnn - skip everything - go right for PERMANENT implant supported bridge...... if you're going to invest in YOU (always worth the $) then do it right. Bone up on all of the procedures, Google them. I have the All on 4 - YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY - I have worn temps, immediates, overdentures and now have a bridge - This is the 2nd best you can get. The best being, of course, a separate implant for each tooth ... ouch - now your talking some bucks - probably getting close to 80K

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#23
Aug 16, 2010
 
Angel - how long is the wait typically from extractions to implants?
Angel

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#24
Aug 16, 2010
 
BAnn ... some dentists do the implants during extractions .... just depends .... I had to wait a couple of months until my bone implants were ready ... if you don't have any problem with bone loss they can do things super quick.

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#25
Aug 16, 2010
 
Wow - I wish I had known this when I was having my extractions done. I don't think I have a bone loss problem since he never mentioned it but I do remember asking him if he did implants (before I had my extractions) and he said he did but never suggested anything at that point.

I think him and I need to have a serious heart to heart my next visit, or foot to butt, whichever it turns out to be.
Susie

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#26
Aug 16, 2010
 
My husband brought the denture in this morning and it went back to the lab to be fixed. The position of the tooth was changed slightly He does check to see that all of the implants have equal pressure (he uses that little piece of paper that you bite on). He again thinned out the acrylic on top. I do need him to adjust the acrylic on the underside on the right side so that it fits more snugly against the roof of my mouth (I feel that there is a small space there).
What still bothers me is that if I bite down on one side, you can actually take your finger and push it down on the other and hear a click (my husband tells me to STOP biting down on one side!)
When my husband dropped the denture off this am, he made sure to let my dentist know that this is NOT was we expected. When I went later in the day to have it placed back in my mouth, I honestly felt tension in the air. I go back again on Thursday.
Angel

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#27
Aug 16, 2010
 
Susie .... that denture IS NOT fitting properly ... it should NOT be rocking back and forth ... you should be able to chew on one side ... that's why your denture keeps breaking .... are all of your o-rings tight enough ... maybe you just need to snug them more tightly - but really, that denture should not be rocking. Take a piece of Freedent chewing gum with you next time you go in and SHOW them how it rocks.... Ask him to change out those rings to a stronger color ... maybe blues ... when my o-rings wore out my denture used to move around a little too. Too bad that he feels a little tension; wonder what he'd feel if he had to wear that damn denture.

Since: Jan 10

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Aug 16, 2010
 
Wow, tension? Really - how unprofessional. I don't care what your husband said or how he said it, that is just rude - please let them know!
Susie

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Aug 17, 2010
 
I know it shouldn't be rocking, even though it's a slight rock. When I bite down on the left side or in front, I can take my thumb and push down on the right side and hear it click into place. It drives me crazy. Does anyone else have that problem?
I will ask about changing the rings when I go in for my appt tomorrow. I'm not sure what you mean about using the Freedent gum. I haven't put gum in my mouth since I began this awful process.
Marian

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#30
Aug 17, 2010
 
Wore temporary dentures for 4 months waiting for implants (5) to heal. Returned to have overdenture fitted 4 months later. It's a
good fit, all porcelain and beautiful. However, taking it out after each meal is nearly impossible. It is so tight on left side.
Went to my dentist today as it was in since Friday morning. With
the denture i could clean it every time i put something in my mouth. Dentist keeps telling me it will get easier. I sure hope
so otherwise i'll be wearing the temporary denture. I have read
where people do have difficulty with removal. This is my only
complaint for sanitary reasons. So time will tell. Right now i
prefer the paste and being able to flip it out and clean it immediately.

Good luck to all with upper dentures, over dentures, etc. My implants were all successful. I took two trips to Costa Rica to
have my work done at 1/3 cost of treatment quoted to me here.

Will be happy to discuss with anyone.
Susie wrote:
After almost 1 year with a temporary top denture which I was miserable with, I finally got my new denture in June. It is held in place with 4 implants. I'm just not happy with it (after spending over 20,000...including implants). I thought it would feel more secure and feel more natural. I've had several adjustments made, but I still feel movement when I bite down. When I eat, I definitely feel movement. I hate that I need to take it out and rinse it with every meal. Otherwise it collects "stuff".. Does anyone else have this problem? How tight and secure can you actually make it? If it's too tight I'm afraid I won't be able to get it out. I just don't think I'll ever get used to it. I hate the "movement" I feel. I guess I thought with the implants, it would feel more natural than it does. I know it can never replace your real teeth. The teeth look fine, but I want them to feel FINE.
Marian

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#31
Aug 17, 2010
 
You are giving me hope that my overdenture can be removed in time.
Right side snaps right off but the left has a male locator and a
stainless steel housing. Frightening is a good word to use. I'm
still at that stage. Went on vacation and spent at least one hour
each night trying to remove upper overdenture. Dentist suggested
i use a spoon. That did help. But constantly afraid i will break
something. Maybe in due time.
Angel wrote:
Haha ... oh, Susie .... a denture is a denture is a denture .... doesn't matter how well it's stuck down. I hated the covered palate, the sunken mouth look, the taking them in and out everytime I needed to brush .... the the chomping, the feeling of something forgein in my mouth ALL OF THE TIME. Everything. The snap in was a god-send IN COMPARISON to an immediate .... but it was still a denture and I never could "adjust" .....Yes, upgrading to a bridge is more, but it all breaks down to about the same price as having a root canal/crown on each tooth ... I have spent at least that much before and none of it lasted. Yes -- you can even try changing the o-rings around ... there's also blue and yellow for tighter fits ... try mixing and matching .... if you ask, they might even give you a couple to fool with .... I used a pair of tweezers to change mine out ... the hardest part was pushing them in ... but the unwrapped end of a q-tip stick fixed that. The black o's are actually "starters" and wear out in about 2 weeks ... Really, once you get them to stay still, you will be able to eat anything - and you won't have anymore sore spots ... but it is still a denture. Think about it. Just remember, when your denture gets in there tight ... you have to pop one of the back ones loose first ... I remember sitting in the middle of my bed almost having an anxiety attack thinking I would NEVER get that thing out a couple of times ... NOW it's funny .... then it was frightening ... but they do come out ...
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#32
Aug 17, 2010
 
Marian ... hmmm, it's just the one that's giving you the problem? Try popping just that one loose first. How do you get them out, or how does the dentist get them out when you have an appt>??? It was always a 3-step process for me ... I popped my right rear one down first, then the left rear, and then both of the front by putting equal pressure directly above the implant. Remember, only put pressure and pull down from directly above your implants otherwise they are cattywalter and won't come down. Another thing you can do is swish the hottest water you can stand in your mouth, the heat helps to contract the metal .... you know, kind of like running a lid under hot water to pop it loose.

Susie .... Chew Freedent chewing gum ... it is made for people with dental prostheics .... won't stick to your teeth .... also, it is great practice for going back to grinding instead of the chomping up and down that makes your jaws so tired when you chew ...

Whew ... it's just never ending crap isn't it? Well, we'll get it ....
Marian

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#33
Aug 18, 2010
 
Every dentist has told me to take right side out first then
the left. Yesterday dentist advised taking right side, then front,
then left. I will try that next time. Right now after 5 days w/o
removal i'm avoiding it for now.

Thanks for your reply. Would love to hear of someone who is happy
with their overdenture and how long it takes to adjust. This is
very new to me so i won't give up.
Angel wrote:
Marian ... hmmm, it's just the one that's giving you the problem? Try popping just that one loose first. How do you get them out, or how does the dentist get them out when you have an appt>??? It was always a 3-step process for me ... I popped my right rear one down first, then the left rear, and then both of the front by putting equal pressure directly above the implant. Remember, only put pressure and pull down from directly above your implants otherwise they are cattywalter and won't come down. Another thing you can do is swish the hottest water you can stand in your mouth, the heat helps to contract the metal .... you know, kind of like running a lid under hot water to pop it loose.
Susie .... Chew Freedent chewing gum ... it is made for people with dental prostheics .... won't stick to your teeth .... also, it is great practice for going back to grinding instead of the chomping up and down that makes your jaws so tired when you chew ...
Whew ... it's just never ending crap isn't it? Well, we'll get it ....
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#34
Aug 18, 2010
 
Just to let you know, that I could NEVER pop my left one first ... you just have to pop off the most difficult one first ... If that doesn't work try not popping either one out first but popping off the back 2 at the same time ... TRY everything! But you do have to get that off to clean under it ... or at the least invest in a WaterPik and blow the stuff out from the top and sides. Really, Marion, I don't know if I would have ever gotten used to it, but I was a heck of a lot happier with that than with a regular denture ... and I could live with it if I'd had too ... Mine was porcelain, so I could eat everything I wanted.
Marian

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#35
Aug 19, 2010
 
Angel You are so busy answering all these posts. I have always
gone to dentist every 3 mos for maintenance and had many restructurings, fixed bridges prior to losing my teeth recently.
I do not mourn the loss of teeth because they've always been a worry. My new porcelain overdenture suits me just fine and was
highly recommended. Buy Viajet waterpics constantly when they wear
out and strict home care.

Thanks for your removal tips. This so FAR is my ONLY problem!
My temporary denture was in and out 20 times a day for cleaning so
this is so upsetting taking hours to remove. It's a learning curve.

Thanks again.
Angel wrote:
Just to let you know, that I could NEVER pop my left one first ... you just have to pop off the most difficult one first ... If that doesn't work try not popping either one out first but popping off the back 2 at the same time ... TRY everything! But you do have to get that off to clean under it ... or at the least invest in a WaterPik and blow the stuff out from the top and sides. Really, Marion, I don't know if I would have ever gotten used to it, but I was a heck of a lot happier with that than with a regular denture ... and I could live with it if I'd had too ... Mine was porcelain, so I could eat everything I wanted.
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#36
Aug 19, 2010
 
LOL Marian ... yes, I try to keep this thread alive and well, and hoping to encourage new members like you to read, get some tips, encouragement, or just realize that someone, somewhere, has been through the same things that we experience and that although we don't think it's normal, unfortunately it is - and just stuff that no one told us.
My experiene with losing my teeth has been very traumatic for me - I did not mind the maintenece, or the cleanings, or even the fact that my teeth were crumbling - at least they were mine. I can remember my first dental appts starting when I was just 3 years old, and by the time I was in the first grade I already had mercury fillings in all of my back teeth. By the time I was 14 all of my teeth, including the front had acrylic fillings in them .... also had gingivitis all of my life. What caused this? No one knew .... stress, quality of saliva, but mostly it boiled down to heriditary factors, and I kind of always knew in the back of my mind that my future would be dentures. I made it to 60. I was and still am devastated over the loss. It suprises me when I read that people say, "well, I am ONLY 50 or 45 or 20 or whatever and I have to wear a denture." Like it's something only people in a certain age bracket deserve - But it's like any other disease .... if you get it, you get it, and it doesn't care how old you are, and you don't accept it any better whatever age. And everyone no matter what age goes through the same feelings. That's what I'd like to see acheived on these postings .... shared experiences - that make us feel better about ourselves ... and help... for everyone to encourage us emotionally and physically.
I am thrilled for you and the fact that you wear a denture so easily and that you are happy with it .... that tells others that are having problems that maybe they will get to your point too.
Learning how to get your snap-in in and out of your mouth is just practice - I can't tell you how many times I was afraid that thing would come flying out and smash on the floor or in the sink ... so I always moved to the bedroom to take it out over the carpet, or if it was being exceptionally stubborn, I'd sit on the bed. After getting new rings it always took a week or so for the rings to loosen up a little ... You'll get it ...
Marian

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#37
Aug 19, 2010
 
LOL is right! We need to keep a sense of humor about the whole
thing. I laugh at myself running about w/o my uppers don't like it
but this is it. Know in my heart that i did everything possible
like you to maintain and restore, restructure my natural teeth. Got to the end of the line. Now i can either be miserable or
accept it. Actually had the temps in for 4 months and after a month was able to wear them. As time went on i was able to go to
restaurants and eat out (not steak but i'm almost vegetarian??)
One evening i was dying for lamb and ordered it. Took forever to eat it but i did it. I was so proud of myself.
Both my parents lost their teeth at a very young age late
20, late 30's. I had mine longer due to up to date dental treatments. You are so right - hereditary. It is saliva. Also went thru gum surgery years ago then more restructurings, perio, etc. You are also right that we need emotional support to deal with the
traumas.On both my return trips from Costa Rica my mouth was too sore to wear any temporary or permanent denture. Well groomed gentleman sitting at airport begins friendly chat with me and all the while i'm trying to figure out how to carry this off!
Thanks so much for reassuring me about the removal process. Will
let you know when I get the courage to wear it again this week.
Just look at all the college educations we financed!
Have a great day.
Angel wrote:
LOL Marian ... yes, I try to keep this thread alive and well, and hoping to encourage new members like you to read, get some tips, encouragement, or just realize that someone, somewhere, has been through the same things that we experience and that although we don't think it's normal, unfortunately it is - and just stuff that no one told us.
My experiene with losing my teeth has been very traumatic for me - I did not mind the maintenece, or the cleanings, or even the fact that my teeth were crumbling - at least they were mine. I can remember my first dental appts starting when I was just 3 years old, and by the time I was in the first grade I already had mercury fillings in all of my back teeth. By the time I was 14 all of my teeth, including the front had acrylic fillings in them .... also had gingivitis all of my life. What caused this? No one knew .... stress, quality of saliva, but mostly it boiled down to heriditary factors, and I kind of always knew in the back of my mind that my future would be dentures. I made it to 60. I was and still am devastated over the loss. It suprises me when I read that people say, "well, I am ONLY 50 or 45 or 20 or whatever and I have to wear a denture." Like it's something only people in a certain age bracket deserve - But it's like any other disease .... if you get it, you get it, and it doesn't care how old you are, and you don't accept it any better whatever age. And everyone no matter what age goes through the same feelings. That's what I'd like to see acheived on these postings .... shared experiences - that make us feel better about ourselves ... and help... for everyone to encourage us emotionally and physically.
I am thrilled for you and the fact that you wear a denture so easily and that you are happy with it .... that tells others that are having problems that maybe they will get to your point too.
Learning how to get your snap-in in and out of your mouth is just practice - I can't tell you how many times I was afraid that thing would come flying out and smash on the floor or in the sink ... so I always moved to the bedroom to take it out over the carpet, or if it was being exceptionally stubborn, I'd sit on the bed. After getting new rings it always took a week or so for the rings to loosen up a little ... You'll get it ...
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#38
Aug 20, 2010
 
Went back to the dentist yesterday and he spent considerable time working on the denture to make it more secure. As I said, when I bite down on one side and then the other, I can feel the denture move and make this clicking sound. Whatever he did worked for awhile, but then I was able to do it again. It's become a habit. When I watch television, I find myself biting down on one side, then the other. When I bite down on the other side, I feel it "click" back into place. Needless to say, I made another appt for Mon morning. He did something with the back o-ring, but didn't actually change it. The 2 front rings are still black and the back ones are pink. He doesn't think changing the front ones will make a difference.
I did ask him about the ALL-in-4, but he never heard of it. He felt that a sturdy bridge needed 6 implants. I told him to "Google" it, which he said he would. I'll make a copy and bring it to him Monday morning, not that I can do anything right now.

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Aug 20, 2010
 
Susie ... the all on 4 is not new by any means, just more widely accepted in the US within the last year because they are seeing much success. If your dentist hasn't heard about he is not keeping up with his continuing education. My guess is that he may take a look at it and then justify it to you in a negative light hoping to discourage you because he doesn't do it and doesn't want to learn how to do it ....
I still don't think it's right that your denture is rocking. You should not be able to even make it snap like that. Somethings not right somewhere...... you keep on him until that thing stays solid in your mouth .... didn't he tell you that it would in the beginning when he was selling it to you???
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Aug 21, 2010
 
My implantologist gave me (5) options. Option 1 was for (8) implants that would be fused to procelain fixed denture necessitating sinus augmentation. Option 2 was for a fixed porcelain denture attached to the same (5) implants - called a hybrid. He did not recommend option 2 because of difficulty in
cleaning?? Option 3 was the implant supported removable overdenture with porcelain. He recommended either Option 1 or 3 as
best. Very little difference in dollar amt.
Option 1 most expensive with addl surgery on sinus and 3 more implants. What do you think?

Thursday lunch placed overdenture in again and did remove after
dinner after one hour making sure to follow all your recommendations. At least it came out. Ditto for Friday. Tried
to remove after lunch b/f going out but not enough time plus frustration. Until i get better will just do after dinner. Like you, do NOT like the feeling of having any possible food particles
there. Use water pic to assist. When it came out very minor particle.

Thanks for your help. I hope you are very happy with your new
fixed denture when you get it.
Angel wrote:
Susie ... the all on 4 is not new by any means, just more widely accepted in the US within the last year because they are seeing much success. If your dentist hasn't heard about he is not keeping up with his continuing education. My guess is that he may take a look at it and then justify it to you in a negative light hoping to discourage you because he doesn't do it and doesn't want to learn how to do it ....
I still don't think it's right that your denture is rocking. You should not be able to even make it snap like that. Somethings not right somewhere...... you keep on him until that thing stays solid in your mouth .... didn't he tell you that it would in the beginning when he was selling it to you???

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