What drives parents' decision not to vaccinate kids?

Jul 31, 2011 Full story: HeraldNet 37

Maria Rippo watches as her children Dominic, 11; Sophia, 9; and Isabella, 6, play in the family's garden in Bothell.

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Bob

Seattle, WA

#22 Oct 11, 2011
Hey everybody take your shot and die so Ted Turner can own more land. Takes your poison and die so the royals can feel better more secure.
Joe Krupinski With Bob

Glen Head, NY

#23 Oct 12, 2011
Hey, Bob, I think you're on the wrong thread. Don't bother with your spiel because I happen to LIKE Ted Turner. Turn left at the third traffic light.
Joe Krupinski vs FBomb

Glen Head, NY

#25 Oct 13, 2011
Alycat wrote:
YES! This is very true. Thank you for this post! Vaccine with caution, INSIST on separating them, your ped will prob say they can't, but WILL if you push... and QUESTION, question and research the vax content prior to injecting into your child. It is the preservatives that are damaging... I wish I had had this advice 2 years ago :(........hindsight is everything, so true.
Well, FBomb, consider yourself caught redhanded by imposing your name and the names of Alycat and Sam on the same thread, attempting to give readers and posters the impression that there are more than one person (YOU) who are interested in your cockamamie insistence that only vaccines cause autism. You are so full of it that it stinks all the way from Winnipeg, Canada, to Sea Cliff, New York. Unfortunately for you, that is where the Sheriff resides. So he's going to be all over your case like a baby's blanket. Hold on to your pacifier, you're going to need it. We're going to turn your world upside down, side by side, and all around. You're a big loser here.
Joe Krupinski vs FBomb

Glen Head, NY

#27 Oct 13, 2011
If this were a fistfight, Pharm, you would be rocking on the ropes about now. For all of the one-liners you try to land, I am punching the crap out of you with my witty while serious responses. You're headed for a TKO, pal, whatever name you want to use to describe a loser like you.
Steve

Amesbury, MA

#29 Oct 14, 2011
The vaccines are sometimes contaminated by viruses like XMRV, a mouse virus now linked to various health issues, and they cannot guarantee their vaccines will not be clear of foreign material such as this. In the 70's it was sv-40, a monkey virus linked to rare forms of cancer, and class action was filed in california on account of this and they were awarded compensation. The adjuvants we currently use, aluminium and thimerasol, are so toxic that they are measured in parts per million, causes cell death, and both are linked to brain damage. Manufacturers could pick a safer substance but these are really cheap to use. There has been no test on synergy between the multiple live attenuated viruses in vaccines like MMR and no test for synergy between viruses and adjuvants. These vaccines either have never been tested using randomized double blind study or the study is tainted by funding from the vaccine manufacturers, which is a serious conflict of interest. This is just the tip of the iceberg btw.
Joe Krupinski v Fbum

Glen Head, NY

#30 Oct 14, 2011
My antenna went up, Steve, when you said there is a conflict of interest in that these randomizied double blind studies are being funded by vaccine manufacturers. A tip of the iceberg? Give us more, Steve, this would be fine fodder for FBum, in any case. Not what we are willing to give him any more ammo for his perverse assumptions that vaccines are the sole cause of autism. He gets enough wild ideas out of his imagination.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#31 Oct 14, 2011
Scare tactics and uninformed statements. Again, anyone can look this up. Thimerosal is not an adjuvant. It is a preservative. Thimerosal is no longer in childhood vaccines. Not all vaccines contain adjuvants, either. No one can guarantee what's in the air, either bit today science has developed far better methods to maintain safety. The hypothesis that SV40 'might' cause cancer and it wasn't negligence, they had no way to test if it contain sv40 until 1983. The good thing is, science has greatly advanced. It wouldn't be too difficult to find those people of the 6 year possible exposure, see if they have cancer. Any company that has a new drug, they are responsible for performing the tests on it. So Wakefakes potential measles vaccine, he would have to provide the studies prior to it's approval from the FDA. Way back in the 1800 or so, the first vaccines caused direct fast death due to bacteria growth. That's when they decided they needed a preservative. But way back then, no one knew anything about lead being dangerous. Sure, a lit fire was obvious. Back in the 1800's, those doctors wanted to help people and didn't intentially cause harm, and that's also true of today. Vaccine makers recall their products. Now if they never did, I might buy into that scare tactic.
Steve

Amesbury, MA

#32 Oct 14, 2011
Friend, Thimerosal was indeed listed as a preservative by the CDC, but thimerasol also stimulates increased, nonspecific immunity, therefore it fits the definition of adjuvant. When thimerosal was removed from vaccines, aluminium was then introduced, because it acts as an adjuvant, and aluminium is not a preservative. So in some ways by focusing on mercury, the real argument is redirected in a unhelpful way if we want the truth.

Squalene was also used briefly as an adjuvant but has been banned in the U.S. because it was deemed too dangerous, and that is really saying something, since the former two are essentially incompatible with life. Why use thimerosal if we are only interested in preserving properties when there are many safer alternatives? Because it had a dual function.

Thimerosal has not been removed from all vaccines; flu shots still use it. Shots exported to many third world nations use it too.
Steve

Amesbury, MA

#33 Oct 14, 2011
Friend,

If things are so much better after the SV40 virus, why are we just now learning about the XMRV virus people have been infected with?

Vaccine manufacturers does test for safety and come up short on a regular basis. An example would be the Gardisil vaccine. This shot was fast tracked despite causing 3 times more adverse reactions than the typical meningitis vaccine. The shot is also linked to pre-cancerous lesions (ie tumors) if the patient has already contracted the virus prior to injection, yet physicians generally do not test to check to prior infection. Does that sound safe to you? Do you think their safety studies were not conducted without conflict of interest by money from the manufacturers?

Asking for safe vaccines is not a misinformed position, but I can proceed further in order to demonstrate that your viewpoint is, but hopefully I have done so already.
Steve

Amesbury, MA

#34 Oct 14, 2011
Joe,

As far as conflict of interest, quite a deal has been written about this subject. Here is just one instance:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/3-par...

There was a Glaxo vaccine used in the UK that caused a high number of adverse reactions. It was removed from the market, re-named and then shipped to Brazil for use. They then saw a large spike of injuries. Still trust the industry? I don't

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#35 Oct 14, 2011
Wrong again, and again anyone can look this up. I can just about find the anti vaccines sites which spread this misinfo.

* Aluminum as an adjuvant was in vaccine before thimerosal ever was. Try 1926. They did not remove thimerosal and put Aluminum as an adjuvant in it's place. It is not used in all vaccine, either. For instance it's not in the MMR, varicella or flu vaccines. Aluminum salts also is not the same thing as aluminum, just as thimerosal is not the same thing as mercury.
* Again, there is no childhood vaccine that contains thimerosal. Even the flu vaccine comes thimerosal-free.
* Maybe you can show where Squalene is banned, and not from some chiropractic site or Mercola. It's just not been approved by the FDA. But the squalene-based AS03 adjuvant was used in the 2009 flu vaccine by one producer.
* You might want to provide the link of XMRV virus to vaccines. It has not been established that XMRV can infect humans, nor has it been demonstrated that XMRV is associated with or causes human disease.
* The Gardisil vaccine is another scare topic. Only a state requires it for school enrollment, any other state it is a pure choice of the parent. Plus millions of doses have been given without any side effects. Those millions of doses displays the right of choice.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#36 Oct 14, 2011
Joe Krupinski vs FBomb wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, FBomb, consider yourself caught redhanded by imposing your name and the names of Alycat and Sam on the same thread, attempting to give readers and posters the impression that there are more than one person (YOU) who are interested in your cockamamie insistence that only vaccines cause autism. You are so full of it that it stinks all the way from Winnipeg, Canada, to Sea Cliff, New York. Unfortunately for you, that is where the Sheriff resides. So he's going to be all over your case like a baby's blanket. Hold on to your pacifier, you're going to need it. We're going to turn your world upside down, side by side, and all around. You're a big loser here.
I haven't impersonated those two you delusional fool. And quit threatening me, the moderator and GOD are watching you.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#37 Oct 14, 2011
Joe Krupinski vs FBomb wrote:
If this were a fistfight, Pharm, you would be rocking on the ropes about now. For all of the one-liners you try to land, I am punching the crap out of you with my witty while serious responses. You're headed for a TKO, pal, whatever name you want to use to describe a loser like you.
More delusion. Joe you don't know me. You'd find out real fast you don't want a fist fight with me.
Vaccine Caused

Winnipeg, Canada

#38 Aug 29, 2012
Steve wrote:
The vaccines are sometimes contaminated by viruses like XMRV, a mouse virus now linked to various health issues, and they cannot guarantee their vaccines will not be clear of foreign material such as this. In the 70's it was sv-40, a monkey virus linked to rare forms of cancer, and class action was filed in california on account of this and they were awarded compensation. The adjuvants we currently use, aluminium and thimerasol, are so toxic that they are measured in parts per million, causes cell death, and both are linked to brain damage. Manufacturers could pick a safer substance but these are really cheap to use. There has been no test on synergy between the multiple live attenuated viruses in vaccines like MMR and no test for synergy between viruses and adjuvants. These vaccines either have never been tested using randomized double blind study or the study is tainted by funding from the vaccine manufacturers, which is a serious conflict of interest. This is just the tip of the iceberg btw.
Well said
Vaccine Caused

Winnipeg, Canada

#39 Aug 29, 2012
Steve wrote:
Friend, Thimerosal was indeed listed as a preservative by the CDC, but thimerasol also stimulates increased, nonspecific immunity, therefore it fits the definition of adjuvant. When thimerosal was removed from vaccines, aluminium was then introduced, because it acts as an adjuvant, and aluminium is not a preservative. So in some ways by focusing on mercury, the real argument is redirected in a unhelpful way if we want the truth.
Squalene was also used briefly as an adjuvant but has been banned in the U.S. because it was deemed too dangerous, and that is really saying something, since the former two are essentially incompatible with life. Why use thimerosal if we are only interested in preserving properties when there are many safer alternatives? Because it had a dual function.
Thimerosal has not been removed from all vaccines; flu shots still use it. Shots exported to many third world nations use it too.
So right. Well done Steve.
Vaccine Caused

Winnipeg, Canada

#40 Aug 29, 2012
Steve wrote:
Friend,
If things are so much better after the SV40 virus, why are we just now learning about the XMRV virus people have been infected with?
Vaccine manufacturers does test for safety and come up short on a regular basis. An example would be the Gardisil vaccine. This shot was fast tracked despite causing 3 times more adverse reactions than the typical meningitis vaccine. The shot is also linked to pre-cancerous lesions (ie tumors) if the patient has already contracted the virus prior to injection, yet physicians generally do not test to check to prior infection. Does that sound safe to you? Do you think their safety studies were not conducted without conflict of interest by money from the manufacturers?
Asking for safe vaccines is not a misinformed position, but I can proceed further in order to demonstrate that your viewpoint is, but hopefully I have done so already.
Well written.
Vaccine Caused

Winnipeg, Canada

#41 Aug 29, 2012
Steve wrote:
Joe,
As far as conflict of interest, quite a deal has been written about this subject. Here is just one instance:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/3-par...
There was a Glaxo vaccine used in the UK that caused a high number of adverse reactions. It was removed from the market, re-named and then shipped to Brazil for use. They then saw a large spike of injuries. Still trust the industry? I don't
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