Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9775 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Someone

Kingsport, TN

#8308 Jul 4, 2013
Someone wrote:
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There is a difference between some doctors and scientists being corrupt and all being corrupt. Of course, I cannot refute the claim that some are (at least one is) corrupt. If you mean that most, if not all are corrupt, and your arguments depend on this fact, then that fact cannot be established without providing a good deal more Thant the anecdotal evidence that has been provided in this topic.
As for the last sentence, retread what you have wriitten earlier. You are many of your posts attack The bearer of any message you disagree with rather an the message.
I admit that I am a lousy proofreader
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#8309 Jul 5, 2013
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between some doctors and scientists being corrupt and all being corrupt. Of course, I cannot refute the claim that some are (at least one is) corrupt. If you mean that most, if not all are corrupt, and your arguments depend on this fact, then that fact cannot be established without providing a good deal more Thant the anecdotal evidence that has been provided in this topic.
As for the last sentence, retread what you have wriitten earlier. You are many of your posts attack The bearer of any message you disagree with rather an the message.
You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. My position is that each person has sovereignty over their own body, adults have sovereignty over their own families, and in a free country the government is subservient to the people, not the other way around. If you choose to disagree, so be it.

As for your feelings of persecution, I simply can't help you there.
Someone

Kingsport, TN

#8310 Jul 5, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
<quoted text>
You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. My position is that each person has sovereignty over their own body, adults have sovereignty over their own families, and in a free country the government is subservient to the people, not the other way around. If you choose to disagree, so be it.
As for your feelings of persecution, I simply can't help you there.
Done my homework wrote:
<quoted text>
You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. My position is that each person has sovereignty over their own body, adults have sovereignty over their own families, and in a free country the government is subservient to the people, not the other way around. If you choose to disagree, so be it.
As for your feelings of persecution, I simply can't help you there.
We cannot all be free to do whatever we please at all times.

I am not concerned about feelings of persecution: rather I have repeatedly pointed out that your reluctance to distinguish

between

1. the claims you have made

and

2. your statements against the persons who question your claims.

If indeed

... each person has sovereignty over their own body, adults have sovereignty over their own families, and in a free country the government is subservient to the people, not the other way around.

Who are the ``people'' here?

It is a given that the TN legislature passed the immunization laws. In theory at least, the legislature act as proxy for the people. If so, then by transitivity the people of TN passed the laws. Hence, in this case the government (the executive and judicial branches) are subservient to the people.

Accordingly, the government has not trampled on the rights of the "people".

It is a given that people may refuse for, religious or medical reasons, to be immunized. In other words, good reasons are required.

Likewise, those who support the claim that they should not have to submit to the immunization law would like to produce good reasons for not submitting. Statements about sovereignty of the individuals cannot alone be regarded as a good reason for refusing to submit. Otherwise, the claim to sovereignty alone would justify refusing to submit to any and all laws. In this case, our society would virtually be the the same as Hobbes' state of nature (no government, no property rights, no morality.)

If, on the other hand, it can be shown that the immunizations are are not medically beneficiary, even harmful, then one would have good reasons for that we should not have to submit.

So the question is, does the drive to remain sovereign fuel the search for evidence against the government, educational, and medical establishments?

Again, anecdotal evidence regarding the actions of some pharmaceutical companies, may motivate further research, but it does not count as evidence acceptable to science.
sam

United States

#8311 Jul 5, 2013
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Someone

Kingsport, TN

#8312 Jul 5, 2013
sam wrote:
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I want to thank you. Personally for such an enlightening post.
Big Dog

Jumilla, Spain

#8313 Jul 5, 2013
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
I want to thank you. Personally for such an enlightening post.
Why?
Someone

Kingsport, TN

#8314 Jul 5, 2013
Big Dog wrote:
<quoted text>Why?
Why not.
Someone

Kingsport, TN

#8315 Jul 5, 2013
You imbeciles who persist in judging my posts as nuts, not a clue, etc. are idiots.

You know that there is a difference-- or do you?

Probably not.

Judging posts here is a sign of laziness or dishonesty.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8317 Jul 12, 2013
"Hepatitis B Vaccine Has Been Ruled To Cause Chronic Fatigue Syndrome:(VIDEO)."

Click here:
http://www.examiner.com/article/hepatitis-b-v...

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8318 Jul 12, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
"Hepatitis B Vaccine Has Been Ruled To Cause Chronic Fatigue Syndrome:(VIDEO)."
Click here:
http://www.examiner.com/article/hepatitis-b-v...
Wow, that's pretty amazing since they have no actual diagnosis for CFS and don't have ANY means of testing for it, verifying it, etc.

So I guess they've solved ALL these issues ....

Oh wait, no they didn't. It's bullshit

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8319 Jul 12, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, that's pretty amazing since they have no actual diagnosis for CFS and don't have ANY means of testing for it, verifying it, etc.
So I guess they've solved ALL these issues ....
Oh wait, no they didn't. It's bullshit
That's very possible. I make no claims to believing it or not believing it. I just thought it was interesting and that it was worthy of posting, so that each Person could make up their own mind about what it says.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8320 Jul 12, 2013
"New Limits On Arsenic In Apple Juice."

Click here:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/limits-a...

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8322 Jul 13, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
That's very possible. I make no claims to believing it or not believing it. I just thought it was interesting and that it was worthy of posting, so that each Person could make up their own mind about what it says.
The problem is that that is not how science or human psychology work.

An "average" reader will read that title (not the article) and believe that it's true, then fail to get vaccinated against a _VERY_ real and _VERY_ deadly disease to protect themselves from a condition which people can not agree even exists.
zmxk

Tucker, GA

#8323 Jul 13, 2013
Kankakee
SomeOne

Johnson City, TN

#8324 Jul 13, 2013
zmxk wrote:
Kankakee
Your brilliance is truly exceptional. So pithy, so insightful, so clever.
ivy

Jackson, TN

#8325 Jul 13, 2013
Better

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8327 Jul 14, 2013
New study finds that mothers of autistic children are 21x more likely to have antibodies in their system associated with their immune system having attacked the fetus.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/new...

So, I supposed what's happening is that a child gets vaccinated which causes the mother's body to produce the antibody retroactively back through time to the pregnancy...

Or, WAKEFIELD WAS F'ING LYING.
SomeOne

Johnson City, TN

#8328 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
New study finds that mothers of autistic children are 21x more likely to have antibodies in their system associated with their immune system having attacked the fetus.
http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/new...
So, I supposed what's happening is that a child gets vaccinated which causes the mother's body to produce the antibody retroactively back through time to the pregnancy...
Or, WAKEFIELD WAS F'ING LYING.
Or, more likely, that the child's autism causes the development of the antibodies in the mother.:)

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8329 Jul 14, 2013
SomeOne wrote:
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Or, more likely, that the child's autism causes the development of the antibodies in the mother.:)
Retroactively through time....

So, here's two possible scenarios:

Scenarios one:
The female immune system reacts to the presence of the fetus as if it were a kind of infection and produces antibodies which negatively effect brain development. This explains increases in autism rates among older women and higher rates of autism in boys rather than girls.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/201002...
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts...

The child is born with different brain development which isn't easily detected in infants because, let's face it, infants aren't terrible social.

However, around the time the child reaches various learning milestones, it becomes clear that they are developing differently.

Coincidentally, this is also when the child is getting their shots.

NOT coincidentally, autistic children who never get those shots have the same development rate and prevelance as those that do.

Scenario Two:
Mothers of all different ages all have perfectly normal children who develop perfectly normally until the evil pharma companies give them autism. Then, the fact that the child has a disability causes the mother's body to produce an immunoresponse but this same response is NOT present in the father, the aunt, the sister, the teacher or anyone else in contact with the child.

And the pharma companies are deliberately targeting boys and children of old mothers to turn autistic with their magic vaccines.

Also, they turn an equal percentage of unvaccinated children autistic just to keep it secret.

Hrmmmm, which sounds more like science and which sounds more like fiction?
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#8330 Jul 14, 2013
1 in 10,000 Amish children have Autism.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/olmsted-on...

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