Iran, world powers agree to draft dea...

Iran, world powers agree to draft deal on uranium

There are 35 comments on the www.latimes.com story from Oct 22, 2009, titled Iran, world powers agree to draft deal on uranium. In it, www.latimes.com reports that:

The head of the world's atomic energy watchdog said Iran and world powers have until Friday to approve a proposed deal to transfer most of Iran's nuclear material abroad to be reformatted for medical purposes.

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Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#21 Oct 22, 2009
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, And sadly I was one of them.
By the time the presidential election happened I was thoroughly pissed.
Maybe it would help you to understand how Congress actually works.

For instance, the filibuster. There was a lot of talk about the Democrats winning a "filibuster-proof" majority in 2008. Do you know why?

Because in the Congressional Session that began after the 2006 elections, Republicans in the Senate employed the filibuster more times than in ANY OTHER CONGRESS IN US HISTORY: http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/gop-senato...

"The filibuster may be well established in the popular consciousness — think of long-winded senators speechifying for days. But because modern Senate rules allow lawmakers to avoid the spectacle of pontificating by merely threatening the act, filibusters and the efforts to overcome them are being used more frequently, and on more issues, than at any other point in history.

So far in this first year of the 110th Congress, there have been 72 motions to stop filibusters, most on the Iraq war but also on routine issues like reauthorizing Amtrak funding. There were 68 such motions in the full two years of the previous Congress, 53 in 1987-88 and 23 in 1977-78. In 1967-68, there were 5 such votes, one of them on a plan to amend cloture itself, which failed.

For policy making, this is the legislative equivalent of gum on a shoe.

It has produced a numbing cycle of Washington futility: House Democrats pass a bill, but Senate Democrats, facing a filibuster by the Republican minority, fail to get the 60 votes needed to end debate. Little wonder that approval ratings of Congress stink these days."

So I gotta say, blaming the Dems for "doing nothing since 2006" is really, in all fairness, an indictment of the obstructionist GOP, which had six full years of the Presidency and BOTH chambers of the House, and failed to do anything other than get us into two badly-managed wars. Someone who REALLY voted a straight ticket at any point in their life would probably know that, though.... right?
Real Lance Winslow

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#22 Oct 22, 2009
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>You're thinking about Bush and Condi giving N. Korea all that oil and food for dismantling their nuclear arms program. This is Iran, Bush and Condi's other failure.
Stop using my name. Meanwhile, Iran cannot be trusted, they promised to stay out of Iraq prior to the war, they reneged and sent in insurgents and weapons which were used for sectarian violence (murder) and the death of US Troops. And Iran is also bringing in folks and weapons into Afghanistan and jeopardizing things, so, not sure what on Earth they are going to negotiate with a group that cannot be trusted and by all legal definitions are ALREADY at war with the US. So, stop using my name and stop talking about what you known nothing about. In case your name just happens to be the same as mine, you don't deserve it and you need to change your name young man.
Lance Winslow

Orinda, CA

#23 Oct 22, 2009
Dems too crazy wrote:
<quoted text>God only knows what he is saying-they refuse to let the media go to meetings with him anymore-one hearty beaty away Biden-what a joke.
Toss in a few "you betcha"s and "mavericy"s and you could be a speechwriter for Palin.
Dems too crazy

Thornton, IL

#24 Oct 22, 2009
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>Toss in a few "you betcha"s and "mavericy"s and you could be a speechwriter for Palin.
unlike you I could at least spell mavericky. D A.
crazy ox3thong

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#25 Oct 22, 2009
Dems too crazy wrote:
<quoted text>God only knows what he is saying-they refuse to let the media go to meetings with him anymore-one hearty beaty away Biden-what a joke.
u still watching Letterman or Electionmen ?:-0
crazy ox3thong

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#26 Oct 22, 2009
Mr_Bill wrote:
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You are just FULL of sour grapes today.
sour grapes? u r watch 2much FOx Brit Humo grape wine show?:)
Dems too crazy

Hammond, IN

#28 Oct 22, 2009
crazy ox3thong wrote:
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u still watching Letterman or Electionmen ?:-0
(:oO

Since: Dec 07

Ft Lauderdale

#29 Oct 22, 2009
The laughing liberal wrote:
Bwahahahaha! Draft another deal but Iran is just going to laugh & you again & again & again.
You clowns are the definition of Insanity.
Obama is naive. Hillary is waffling. Iran is indeed laughing.

“Is there no middle?”

Since: Jun 09

Miami

#30 Oct 23, 2009
And this just in from MSNBC news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33446991/ns/world...

If Libs say Bush's warmongering posture towards places like Iran and N Korea didn't work, and Cons say Obama's approach of compromise and cooperation doesn't work in those same places, what will? Can anyone logically say that Iran isn't doing something underhanded here, and playing us all for fools in the process?

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#31 Oct 23, 2009
x-nutmegger wrote:
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Did you learn that from the League of Nations dealing with Mussolini or Neville Chamberlain dealing with Hitler ?
Also don't forget Stalin and Czech.
Half -a -loaf is better than none.
You have half a loaf.
Look at the big picture.

I realize that lying neo-conservatives favor unilateral dictation; and disdain diplomacy; but as usual, they are WRONG AGAIN.

You must first learn the difference betwen diplomacy and appeasement. There is more than half-a-loaf's difference between the two.

Try harder.
x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#33 Oct 23, 2009
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Half -a -loaf is better than none.
You have half a loaf.
Look at the big picture.
I realize that lying neo-conservatives favor unilateral dictation; and disdain diplomacy; but as usual, they are WRONG AGAIN.
You must first learn the difference betwen diplomacy and appeasement. There is more than half-a-loaf's difference between the two.
Try harder.
Lying NEOCONS !

Duh !

I'm impressed.

You Dems out to study NEOCON history , Scoop Jackson is considered the original NEOCON . He was a Dem senator from Wa.

You still have one semi-NEOCON in the Dem party ( almost )...Joe Leiberman is his name.

Don't your HANDLERS teach you anything besides ' one-liner BS'?

As I stated don't count your chickens to early. Both Clinton and Bush got had by N. Korea and I'll play wait and see over Iran.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#34 Oct 23, 2009
x-nutmegger wrote:
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Lying NEOCONS !
Duh !
I'm impressed.
You Dems out to study NEOCON history , Scoop Jackson is considered the original NEOCON . He was a Dem senator from Wa.
You still have one semi-NEOCON in the Dem party ( almost )...Joe Leiberman is his name.
Don't your HANDLERS teach you anything besides ' one-liner BS'?
As I stated don't count your chickens to early. Both Clinton and Bush got had by N. Korea and I'll play wait and see over Iran.
Nope, Scoop was the Senator from Boeing. And thank you for reminding all of us that Democrats can be greedy shifty sell-outs too.

Sen. Lieberman marches to his own drummer, not the lying neo-conservative beat; but one of Joe's two feet marches with Israel.

N. Korea is not teh subject of this posting; but both Clinton & Bush isolated N.Korea pretty well.

Finally, these are not "one liners," they are obervations on the general greed, dishonesty, incompetance, and lack of reality evident in the lying neo-conservative philosophy. It is actually closer to a religion or superstition; as most philosophies will incorporate reality.
x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#35 Oct 23, 2009
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Nope, Scoop was the Senator from Boeing. And thank you for reminding all of us that Democrats can be greedy shifty sell-outs too.
Sen. Lieberman marches to his own drummer, not the lying neo-conservative beat; but one of Joe's two feet marches with Israel.
N. Korea is not teh subject of this posting; but both Clinton & Bush isolated N.Korea pretty well.
Finally, these are not "one liners," they are obervations on the general greed, dishonesty, incompetance, and lack of reality evident in the lying neo-conservative philosophy. It is actually closer to a religion or superstition; as most philosophies will incorporate reality.
Obviously your interpretation of the NEOCON idealism is different from mine.

As I interpret it's an idealism that pushes to create democracies where none exist in order to lessen the chances of war.
It comes from the decades of failures againist NAZI Germany , Red China and the Arab/Muslim dictatorships.

That the only way for the world to exist in a generally non-violent international setting is to have countries ruled by vote and not by strong arm and intimidation .

The NEOCON Dems left the Dem party about the time Jackson retired , Kumbaya McGovern took over the Dem party and Reagan ( a former Dem) rose to power in the GOP.

What's the Marxist-Lite version ?

Personally I'm not a NEOCON I'm more pragmatic in my foreign policy outlook. The NEOCON's counted their chickens before they hatched and so are many Obama Kumbaya type supporters.

The NEOCONs try to sell Democracy to people that don't know what it is . The U.S. Marxist-Lite's Kumbaya is taken by many cultures as a sign of weakness to be exploited.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#36 Oct 23, 2009
x-nutmegger wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously your interpretation of the NEOCON idealism is different from mine.
As I interpret it's an idealism that pushes to create democracies where none exist in order to lessen the chances of war.
It comes from the decades of failures againist NAZI Germany , Red China and the Arab/Muslim dictatorships.
That the only way for the world to exist in a generally non-violent international setting is to have countries ruled by vote and not by strong arm and intimidation .
The NEOCON Dems left the Dem party about the time Jackson retired , Kumbaya McGovern took over the Dem party and Reagan ( a former Dem) rose to power in the GOP.
What's the Marxist-Lite version ?
Personally I'm not a NEOCON I'm more pragmatic in my foreign policy outlook. The NEOCON's counted their chickens before they hatched and so are many Obama Kumbaya type supporters.
The NEOCONs try to sell Democracy to people that don't know what it is . The U.S. Marxist-Lite's Kumbaya is taken by many cultures as a sign of weakness to be exploited.
Good, but the USA version of "Marxist-Lite" is the lying neo-conservative religion. A religion, as its daddy Marxist Communism was a religion.

I call it lying neo-conservatism, because its adherents have always played fast and loose with the truth.

I was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in '76; and I heard the Scoop Jackson delegates trying to peddle the lie that Scoop had opposed the war in Vietnam. So, you could be right, that Scoop was the first neo-conservative; that is the first lying neo-conservative.

Reagan was a political freak, a person even his opponants could not stay mad; the anti-Nixon. He was also a true lightweight, in spite of his handler's claims that he 'wrote his own speeches.'
Reagan's pioneering of the borrow and spend brand of phony prosperity was perfected by GW Bush.

I disagreed with GHW Bush, but respected him for his restraint, and inability to steal from future generations, as his predecessor, and as his son have done.

I think of the "neo-con philosophy" as being related, also, to the NAZI ideal of corporate-national partnership. The neo-con philosophy is more interested in corporate profit that national goals, pride, of even survival.

What you call the Democratic Parties' "Kumbaya McGovern" takeover was, in fact, the light of DEMOCRACY flooding out the smoke filled back rooms.

It was the opening up of politics to all, and the loss of power of the ward-heelers, and political machines. The McGovern rules allowed primaries to select the candidates, rather than the state party bosses.

The GOP would be well served to adapt such rules, to prevent another GW Bush fiasco.

Finally, the last things that lying neo-conseravtives are concerned about is the power of the individual vote, and true democracy. You almost made me giggle with that one.

Thanks for your thoughtful response.
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