Intravenous vitamin C tested to fight cancer

Is mainstream medical science ignoring an inexpensive, painless, readily available cure for cancer? Mark Levine mulls this loaded question. Full Story
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Tumordoctor

Tampa, FL

#1 Jun 24, 2006
As a medical oncologist, I've seen some people die horribly painful deaths because some homeopathic "physician" told them to reject any western conventional medicine, go for the i.v. Vitamin C alone, in addition to his "secret remedy". I truly believe that before any diagnosis of cancer or heart disease is ever made, that fairly high doses of Vitamin C (such as 3,000mg/day) as well as Omega-3 Fatty Acids, antioxidants, Lecithin, Selenium, Flaxseed oil, and Aloe Vera juice (~4 ounces/day) can go a very, very long way towards the prevention of cancer and heart disease (along with, of course, smoking cessation-which is linked to coronary heart disease and just about every cancer). But there are only going to be rare success stories of cure when these Vitamins and supplements are started after the fact and the disease has already taken hold. Preventative medicine is the key.
Bob Root

Seattle, WA

#2 Jun 24, 2006
So, if your terminal, as I am. What is the harm in trying it? Nothing ventured nothing gained. Chemo has not fixed me, sure it has helped, but what would it hurt to at least do a study to see if there is any benefit? Worst thing that can happen is that the issue gets put to rest!
Tumordoctor

Tampa, FL

#3 Jun 24, 2006
Bob Root wrote:
So, if your terminal, as I am. What is the harm in trying it? Nothing ventured nothing gained. Chemo has not fixed me, sure it has helped, but what would it hurt to at least do a study to see if there is any benefit? Worst thing that can happen is that the issue gets put to rest!
Bob,

One thing is for sure, and that is we are all terminal. Chemotherapy or radiation doesn't work on everyone. I am not saying not to try it, but I have had patients come to me after they refused chemotherapy initially after surgery, because they wanted to try homeopathic remedies, and now they are riddled with cancer. I was just emphasizing that prevention is the key. There is a Hospital in Mexico which you might have heard of which was built by a surgeon, but the name of it escapes me right now. It is a Christian Hospital, so the treatment is a combination of a very nutritious diet, homeopathic medicine, hyperbaric chambers, surgery, and if needed, chemotherapy or radiation therapy. The don't exclude any one modality. But the central part to them is prayer. They get together and pray everyday. They report markedly improved survival rates. Personally, I have found that prayer is the most effective way of not only getting though any treatment, but also having a peace about everything. I confess that I'm a Christian myself, and no, I don't believe that God causes pain or suffering. Bob, may I ask what kind of cancer you have and what kind of treatment or chemotherapy you've gotten? Perhaps I can help in some way.

John
Mary Lojek

Laval, Canada

#4 Jun 24, 2006
If there is any chance that Vitamin C works, all cancer patients would like to see it given a chance. We don't want to deny chemo, surgery, and radiation because now it gives us our best known chance of survival. But, my research shows that chemo may not be the best treatment in the future because there will probably be better treatments. At least I hope so, because chemo stole a year of my life, hopefully, to give me more years of life. The sooner we have better treatments the better for all of us.
Would vitamin C injections be cheaper and will drug companies fight the studies? I have to doubt it is a magic bullet, but wouldn't it be worth a try? Cancer is a lucrative disease for those reaping the benefits. I don't mind people and companies reaping money as long as we patients can have the best treatment to kill cancer cells and cancer stem cells.
Mary Lojek

Laval, Canada

#5 Jun 24, 2006
Bob Root wrote:
So, if your terminal, as I am. What is the harm in trying it? Nothing ventured nothing gained. Chemo has not fixed me, sure it has helped, but what would it hurt to at least do a study to see if there is any benefit? Worst thing that can happen is that the issue gets put to rest!
Dear Bob,
I agree with Tumor Doctor that God does not make us sick. Our bodies can let us down for lots of reasons. I do believe God can give us strength to fight the battle.
I researched for the best cancer centers in the world for my treatment. I chose MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston because it is one of the two best cancer centers in the world. Their survival rates are 77% according to US News and World Report. My insurance company paid for my treatment there, but I had to pay for travel and lodging and that was expensive. But they will give you second opinions if you apply online and send your reports and scans to them. They have a history of working with your local doctors and don't mind if you do not get treatment there. They do have some treatments not available elsewhere just as do other major cancer centers. You need to check them all for your type of cancer. I cannot say enough good about their hospital, systems, doctors, and hospital.
I wish you the best of luck.
Tumordoctor

Tampa, FL

#6 Jun 24, 2006
Mary Lojek wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Bob,
I agree with Tumor Doctor that God does not make us sick. Our bodies can let us down for lots of reasons. I do believe God can give us strength to fight the battle.
I researched for the best cancer centers in the world for my treatment. I chose MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston because it is one of the two best cancer centers in the world. Their survival rates are 77% according to US News and World Report. My insurance company paid for my treatment there, but I had to pay for travel and lodging and that was expensive. But they will give you second opinions if you apply online and send your reports and scans to them. They have a history of working with your local doctors and don't mind if you do not get treatment there. They do have some treatments not available elsewhere just as do other major cancer centers. You need to check them all for your type of cancer. I cannot say enough good about their hospital, systems, doctors, and hospital.
I wish you the best of luck.
Dear Mary,

It's so wonderful to hear that you received treatment for whichever cancer you were diagnosed with. MD Anderson is a great Hospital. I did my training at Moffitt Cancer Center, which is the 3rd busiest cancer center in the country. I work in affiliation with it at the VA Medical Center, which is actually the busiest VA cancer center in the country. Moffitt and the VA are trying to collaborate on much more genetic profiling, or "genetic fingerprinting", where the exact tumor markers of the cancer can be discerned, and the exact chemotherapy for that cancer can be given rather than choosing some "cookbook" regimen. It's exciting work going on right now. Probably the most prolific advances in cancer have been made over the last 5 years. The key for anyone, and for you, Bob, if you're reading this, is to be informed. ASCO (the American Society of Clinical Oncology) had their annual meeting just recently in Atlanta, and there are some major breakthroughs being made. Get onto the ASCO patient website.

In Christ Alone,
John
Tumordoctor

Tampa, FL

#7 Jun 24, 2006
Mary Lojek wrote:
If there is any chance that Vitamin C works, all cancer patients would like to see it given a chance. We don't want to deny chemo, surgery, and radiation because now it gives us our best known chance of survival. But, my research shows that chemo may not be the best treatment in the future because there will probably be better treatments. At least I hope so, because chemo stole a year of my life, hopefully, to give me more years of life. The sooner we have better treatments the better for all of us.
Would vitamin C injections be cheaper and will drug companies fight the studies? I have to doubt it is a magic bullet, but wouldn't it be worth a try? Cancer is a lucrative disease for those reaping the benefits. I don't mind people and companies reaping money as long as we patients can have the best treatment to kill cancer cells and cancer stem cells.
Dear Mary,
It's great to hear that you made it through chemotherapy. There is a great website I use to show the benefits of chemotherapy for colon, breast, or lung cancer, depending on the number of lymph nodes involved, the grade of the cancer, the age of the patient, and their other medical problems.
As for the Vitamin C, I don't believe in any conspiracy theories of the government trying to hide any cures. Anyone could let the public know that politicians are diagnosed with cancer at least as commonly as the average population, and they want a cure just as much as the next person. Not that you were implying that, but pharmaceutical companies can be pretty heavily backed up. As for me, I would love nothing more that to be out of a job because an absolute cure was found for cancer. My father died of cancer of the sinuses when I was only 11. He had it for 6 years before he died from it. This was back in the 70's. The reason cancer research goes so slowly is because patients want to go with what has been proven to work. It's hard to accrue patients onto studies. As you may or may not know, Phase I research studies enroll a small number of patients (usually 20-30) to see if a drug is even safe in humans (after they've been shown to be safe in animals), and what the toxicities or side effects are. Once they're found to be safe, they go on to Phase II Trials where the question is "Does the drug work against this particular cancer?" And that involves a larger number of patients. Perhaps 100 or so. And most of them want patients who have never been treated with any other chemotherapy for their cancer so the results aren't skewed in any way. Next are the Phase III trials where one chemotherapy drug is actually compared head-to-head with another. And it's usually a double blinded, randomized study, meaning that there is a researcher conducting the study, but neither the doctor nor the patient know which drug they will get, because if the doctor knew, he might be biased towards the new drug so as to fudge on the findings or give it to the patient who is a little bit stronger at the get-go so they might get better response rates.
Come to think of it, I'm thinking now of actual NCI-approved studies regarding i.v. Vitamin C and cancer. We know it's safe. The question is with regards to going to that next step. The Phase II trials. Does it work? These studies can't have patients on other chemotherapeutic drugs. Otherwise you can't prove anything. It could have been the Vitamin C or it could have been the chemotherapy. Most patients, when dealing with the prospect of only perhaps months to live, will want to try the standard of care chemotherapy. It's hard to get them onto Phase II trials with new drugs. But if it makes it past the Phase II trials, and people know that it actually does work clinically, then many more people are willing to go out on a limb and be enrolled onto a Phase III trial. Then we'll get some real answers.
In Him,
John
Andre

Delhi, India

#8 Jul 25, 2006
Dr. Jeanne Drisko of the Kansas Univ. Medical Center is conducting phase III clinical trials with Vit C and other vitamins. This will be administered along with chemo. The first phase of her work has demonstrated dramatic results.
Nigel Rulewski

Waltham, MA

#9 Jul 25, 2006
Tumordoctor wrote:
As a medical oncologist, I've seen some people die horribly painful deaths because some homeopathic "physician" told them to reject any western conventional medicine, go for the i.v. Vitamin C alone, in addition to his "secret remedy". I truly believe that before any diagnosis of cancer or heart disease is ever made, that fairly high doses of Vitamin C (such as 3,000mg/day) as well as Omega-3 Fatty Acids, antioxidants, Lecithin, Selenium, Flaxseed oil, and Aloe Vera juice (~4 ounces/day) can go a very, very long way towards the prevention of cancer and heart disease (along with, of course, smoking cessation-which is linked to coronary heart disease and just about every cancer). But there are only going to be rare success stories of cure when these Vitamins and supplements are started after the fact and the disease has already taken hold. Preventative medicine is the key.
Agreed, prevention is the answer, and indeed we have seen some very encouraging data in this area, ie selenium, vit C, E and D. While one can understand why the pharmaceutical industry does nothing about this ( incase anyone does not know, you cannot make money with molecules that are not patented), where is NIH and NCI in all of this. Anyone looking at the Vit C data presented all those years ago by Pauling must see that it is at least a good as any phase I oncology trial in terms of looking for a glimmer of hope, which is basically all a phase I trial provides. A few dramatic case histories and in vitro data showing that high does Vit C kills cancer cells is all one needs. We have both!
If Vit C was a patented molecule wars would break out over the rights!!
Nigel Rulewski

Waltham, MA

#10 Jul 25, 2006
Agreed, prevention is the answer, and indeed we have seen some very encouraging data in this area, ie selenium, vit C, E and D. While one can understand why the pharmaceutical industry does nothing about this ( incase anyone does not know, you cannot make money with molecules that are not patented), where is NIH and NCI in all of this. Anyone looking at the Vit C data presented all those years ago by Pauling must see that it is at least a good as any phase I oncology trial in terms of looking for a glimmer of hope, which is basically all a phase I trial provides. A few dramatic case histories and in vitro data showing that high does Vit C kills cancer cells is all one needs. We have both!
If Vit C was a patented molecule wars would break out over the rights!!
gdpawel

Mount Laurel, NJ

#11 Jul 26, 2006
I don't know whether Vitamin C or Taxol would be better for a cancer patient. As long as Big Pharma contols the purse strings at academic medical centers, this issue will never be resolved. Before 1981, research was owned by the government. In 1981, the Bayh-Dole Act in Congress changed research centers by giving individual institutions the ownership rights to intellectual property and new technologies developed on campus. Afterall, profits must be protected.

Since then, clinical trials had private industry enter into the equation. For-profit companies take over the venture, doling out payments along the way, paying the university royalties. The business side of academia has exemplified the commercialization of publicly-funded research.

We have produced an entire generation of investigators in clinical oncology who believe that the only valid form of clinical research is to perfrom well-designed, prospective randomized trials in which patients are randomized to receive one empiric drug combination versus another empiric drug combination.

Prospective, randomized, controlled clinical trials cost millions of dollars, but the most promising non-conventional drugs may be public domain, non-proprietary technologies, and therefore unpatentable. No company will invest that much money for something that is difficult to patent. This prevents serendipitous and fortuitous discovery.

There is a new test that relies upon what is called Whole Cell Profiling in which living tumor cells are removed from an individual cancer patient and exposed in the laboratory to the new drugs. A variety of metabolic and apoptotic measurements are then used to determine if a specific drug was successful at killing the patient's cancer cells.

The Whole Cell Profiling method differs from other tests in that it assesses the activity of a drug upon combined effect of all cellular processes, using combined metabolic and morphologic endpoints. Other tests, such as those which identify DNA or RNA sequences or expression of individual proteins often examine only one component of a much larger, interactive process.
drug4development

Waltham, MA

#12 Jul 27, 2006
gdpawel wrote:
I don't know whether Vitamin C or Taxol would be better for a cancer patient. As long as Big Pharma contols the purse strings at academic medical centers, this issue will never be resolved. Before 1981, research was owned by the government. In 1981, the Bayh-Dole Act in Congress changed research centers by giving individual institutions the ownership rights to intellectual property and new technologies developed on campus. Afterall, profits must be protected.
Since then, clinical trials had private industry enter into the equation. For-profit companies take over the venture, doling out payments along the way, paying the university royalties. The business side of academia has exemplified the commercialization of publicly-funded research.
We have produced an entire generation of investigators in clinical oncology who believe that the only valid form of clinical research is to perfrom well-designed, prospective randomized trials in which patients are randomized to receive one empiric drug combination versus another empiric drug combination.
Prospective, randomized, controlled clinical trials cost millions of dollars, but the most promising non-conventional drugs may be public domain, non-proprietary technologies, and therefore unpatentable. No company will invest that much money for something that is difficult to patent. This prevents serendipitous and fortuitous discovery.
There is a new test that relies upon what is called Whole Cell Profiling in which living tumor cells are removed from an individual cancer patient and exposed in the laboratory to the new drugs. A variety of metabolic and apoptotic measurements are then used to determine if a specific drug was successful at killing the patient's cancer cells.
The Whole Cell Profiling method differs from other tests in that it assesses the activity of a drug upon combined effect of all cellular processes, using combined metabolic and morphologic endpoints. Other tests, such as those which identify DNA or RNA sequences or expression of individual proteins often examine only one component of a much larger, interactive process.
Can patients get there own WHole Cell Profiling done by and independent lab that will include a screen for vit C etc efficacy
Norman A Wilson

San Antonio, TX

#13 Jul 27, 2006
My fiancé has grade III ductile carcinoma of the left breast with a sizable tumor. She also has an auto immune condition which has caused her to get peripheral neuropathy and possibly lupus. She underwent her first chemo treatment, chemo type A/C, and it made her severely nauseous within 2 hours after the treatment. I took her to the hospital where we spent the next 4 days as she was constantly vomiting every 3-7 minutes causing dehydration and finally exhaustion. The nausea medications given to her at the time of her first treatment did not work and were changed in the hospital to Adivant and Compozene, which brought her nausea under control, 4 full days later. She heard of vitamin injections from a woman in the clinic whom told her that it was a “night and day” difference in how she reacted to her chemo, the vitamin injections being the better solution, The woman told her who the gentleman was, but my fiancé could not get the rest of the information from her at that time and she has not seen the woman back at the clinic since. Have anyone out there ever heard of such treatments and if so is there anyone in Texas that we can go too and at least try this out? After being with her during this ordeal I fear that she will not be able to tolerate another round of chem. and that the strain will be too much on her heart and mind. Please let us know something as soon as you can. We thank you for your time and God bless you.

Sincerely,
Norman A Wilson
nawilson99@earthlink.net
gdpawel

Mount Laurel, NJ

#14 Jul 27, 2006
My reference to whether Vitamin C or Taxol (or any anticancer drug) would be better for a cancer patient is that it will never be resolved. No company will invest in something that is difficult to patent, and there would be no clinical trials on something unpatentable. The vast majority of clinical trials performed are ones that test one chemotherapeutic regimen against another. Single arm clinical trials provide the tumor response (shrinkage, not cure) evidence that is the basis for approving new patentable cancer drugs.

My point on whole cell profiling was in expanding the reference by Tumordoctor on genetic (molecular) profiling. Improving cancer patient diagnosis and treatment through a combination of cellular and gene-based testing will offer predictive insight into the nature of an individual's particular cancer and enable oncologists to prescribe treatment more in keeping with the heterogeneity of the disease. The biologies are very different and the response to given drugs is very different.

None of the available laboratory tests used in the selection of treatments for cancer patients have ever been tested for "efficacy." This includes estrogen receptor, progesterone receptor, Her2/neu, immunohistochemical staining for tumor classification, bacterial culture and sensitivity testing, CT, MRI and Pet Scans to measure tumor response to treatment, molecular and cellular profiling. The only data supporting any of them relate to predictive "accuracy."
Mack

Little Rock, AR

#15 Aug 29, 2006
Dear All,

I have Prostate Cancer (early stage) and I am a very healthy 54yrs young. I am baulking at the big 3 (surgery, radiation or chemo). Perhaps as has been said above that its hard to find volunteers for these more invasive studies such as intravenous vitamin C, intravenous vitamin D etc, but I have discovered a very fast growing number of self-medically educated cancer patients out there that as I, would love to participate in any of these studies, for all of the reasons noted above. We have yet to decide on one of the big 3 (and really don’t want to) and so are doing the watchful waiting. Most of us have only made changes in our diet, supplements, nutrition, rest, exercise, etc.

We would welcome the opportunity to participate in almost anything rather than the "3" commonly offered cures. I feel as if there are far too few areas and sites in our great country where we could participate in the likes of intravenous vitamin C therapy trials. I live on the west coast and I have scoured this area for anything, but to date, to no avail. I welcome anyone's research that would benefit me and the many others, along any lines of more holistic and naturopathic cures such as these that I believe have great promise and yet no contradictions.

Kindly in Christ,
Mack
Bob Root

Seattle, WA

#16 Sep 17, 2006
Tumordoctor wrote:
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Bob,
One thing is for sure, and that is we are all terminal. Chemotherapy or radiation doesn't work on everyone. I am not saying not to try it, but I have had patients come to me after they refused chemotherapy initially after surgery, because they wanted to try homeopathic remedies, and now they are riddled with cancer. I was just emphasizing that prevention is the key. There is a Hospital in Mexico which you might have heard of which was built by a surgeon, but the name of it escapes me right now. It is a Christian Hospital, so the treatment is a combination of a very nutritious diet, homeopathic medicine, hyperbaric chambers, surgery, and if needed, chemotherapy or radiation therapy. The don't exclude any one modality. But the central part to them is prayer. They get together and pray everyday. They report markedly improved survival rates. Personally, I have found that prayer is the most effective way of not only getting though any treatment, but also having a peace about everything. I confess that I'm a Christian myself, and no, I don't believe that God causes pain or suffering. Bob, may I ask what kind of cancer you have and what kind of treatment or chemotherapy you've gotten? Perhaps I can help in some way.
John
Thanks for the reply, John.
I agree, God didn't cause this problem and if it wasn't for the power of prayer I don't think I would have made it this far. Colon cancer, surgery, colostomy, radiation, chemo and now met's to liver, lungs, adrenal glands, etc. Oxipilation allergic, now on Erubitux and so far so good. Every new CT shows progresssion, but in my mind I am sure it has been slowed bunches, due to the chemo. Original estimate was 12 to 15 months and I am now at 5 years and grateful to God for the time I have been given. With all the awful things that go along with this stuff, to me it has also been a blessing in many ways. Sure does open your eyes and change your perspectives. I doubt there will ever be a magic bullet, but I am also sure that the progress that is being made will continue. Prevention is great and will save many lives, but considering how unselective this stuff is in who it decides to invade, even preventive medicine can only do so much. I really feel a lot of it is just luck of the draw. I have knbown too many smoke free vegegtable eating clean living people who did it by the book and still ended up with it, to count. But all we can do is the best we can do, one day at a time. It will be a happy day when this stuff can be controled and lived with, but until then we just keep on keeping on.

I think the other really hard part is the cost involved, not just in human emotion IE: the roller coaster ride, but also in dollars. After wiping out what was to have been my retirement, forking over my savings and 401K, getting dropped from major medical coverage and becomeing a medicade recipient, I am looking forward with mixed emotions to going on Medicare when I qualify next year. Just seems a shame after over 50 years of hard work to end up with nothing left and nothing to pass on to my kids. But that too shall pass. One grand day all of this will no longer matter and I do not fear the coming of that day, the only fear is how I will finally get there.
Thanks much for your thoughts and prayers.
God Bless,
Bob
Jacquie Nagy

Selkirk, Canada

#17 Oct 7, 2006
Anyone looking for either a method of prevention or treatment for cancer should consider whether their foundation is strong before trying band aid sollutions. Glutathione (GSH) is the Master antioxidant which recycles vit c, e and selenium. Fix GSH first. www.immunotec.com/jacquie
Edel Kerr

Marietta, GA

#18 Jan 12, 2007
There is a wonderful clinic for end stage 4 cancer.
It is "Leonardis Klinik" in Bad Hielbrunn, Germany.

Since: Dec 05

Bayville, NJ

#19 Jan 13, 2007
Federal approval of a clinical trial on intravenous vitamin C as a cancer treatment lends credence to alternative cancer care, U.S. researchers said.

Cancer Treatment Centers of America said it won Food and Drug Administration approval to begin the trial, a move the Illinois-based hospital group said adds credibility to its research into alternative methods for cancer medical care.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/19240...
John B

Baltimore, MD

#20 Jan 29, 2007
Until vitamin C therapy is approved for insurance reimbursement, hundreds of thousands of people who could use it won't.

We need to mobilize a political action effort to demand insurance companies and medicare/medicaid to pay for this life-extending treatment.

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