Treatment For Bipolar Still Complex

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Scientists are testing seasickness patches and other surprising options in a challenging search for new ways to treat the crushing depression and uncontrolled mania of bipolar disorder.
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Oct 22, 2007
 
bipolar drugs are bad for the mind. period.

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Oct 23, 2007
 
Suzie B - I completely agree with you however, might I ask Suzie (since I have put a lot of myself out there on this board) where your opinion originated from? Your link has a list of articles from mostly reliable sources though I feel they are out of date especially for a rapidly changing field and are off topic (some back to 1995 or more) and most barely even contain the abstract (I went through them all). You cannot base an opinion on a scientific abstract. Having written many, unless you understand HOW the study was performed and what sub-groups of the population were used (and the environmental factors) along with the statistical analysis (many researchers fudge around with this until they get a significant answer) you cannot tell anything concrete about the study. Thus you MUST read and UNDERSTAND the FULL article before you start making blanket statements.

I take Lithium - it is a bi-polar medication; I have done every scrap of research possible and it has saved my life and many others. I am now a practicing Orthopedic Surgeon....with out medication I would be a vegetable; your BLANKET statement seems based upon an unstable foundation plus you are being very NEGATIVE to those of us that suffer from this disease - YOU ARE TAKING AWAY HOPE FROM OTHERS OUT THERE.

I have felt like a guinea pig for many years as Drs. just kept playing Guess and Test with different and very expensive medications. They caused me to gain weight, be constantly sick to my stomach, vomiting all the time, the financial burden, the nausea and dizziness.

Now I only take Lithium, and it is one of the few proven medications (the only other is Valproic Acid but the side effects of that are very harsh) that halts the degeneration of neural cells (I have used my Microscopy skills and the resources of the medical school at Duke to confirm that this is true). Understanding how it protects neurons is still in uncharted waters, but I can attest that with my own eyes I have seen the difference in neural protection and have experienced the minimal side effects with virtually no discomfort (you just have to drink alot of water but we all should drink more water a day so I choose to look at it as a positive).

I refuse to be a guinea pig though I do think it is important to share what knowledge I have with those who are interested. It it is something that no one can comprehend unless they live with it or live with some one suffering from it.

I have been very clear about my experiences; I never just trust the Rx handed to me and read every thing I can find before I will consider taking it and finally I make sure that I confirm this with the latest medical journals along with my own eyes so that I can be fully educated on the benefits and consequences of all Rx that have been prescribed to me for Bi-Polar disorder.

To every one else, those of you that have shown support - I greatly appreciate that you have taken what I have written to heart and your compassion makes a tremendous difference. I suffer from the worst kind of bi-polar disorder, rapid-cycling, so my moods can change from elated to suicidal in an instant. By sharing what I have learned and taught myself I hope that others can begin to see how debilitating this can be and that they are not alone.

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Oct 23, 2007
 
life of hell wrote:
I was in a relationship with a bright and beautiful woman that was bipolar. I referred to my life as "one foot in heaven, one foot in hell". It is hell for all parties involved. The sad part, unlike depression, that puts the sufferer into moods of sleepiness and memory lapses, a bipolar sufferer know how terribly they behave and can't control it. That is why the suicide rate is so high w/ bipolar sufferers.
You must be a very strong person to have held on and tried to cope - I think you have some idea. You know that it is a constant roller coaster with no logic what so ever driving it and the afflicted individual knows that those plummets just rip you away from every sense of support you have but no matter how hard you fight to keep it in check you always wind up loosing. I have taught myself not to fall apart at work (I have an MD, specialty, and am 5'5 and 125 lb - if you saw me, I look "perfect") but as soon as I come home all of that suppression gets let loose like a stick of dynamite. It is terrifying for myself because I cannot control it and i am fully aware of how unfair and abusive this is to my boyfriend of 9 years. It destroys me internally to the point that I believe I would be better off dead - being able to recognize but completely incapable of control and the damage that causes means I live every day on a ledge. Constantly wanting to die so I do not hurt anyone anymore but stuck because the same people I hurt now would be just as traumatized if I killed myself. One day at a time but I am not sure I can live with this in my head.

Much respect to you for having the strength to hold on for as long as you did - deep down it hurts so bad, like someone has put your brain in a blender and ripped out your heart but you still have to live never knowing what the next second will bring - and will you survive the next ten minutes....

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Oct 23, 2007
 
the sentinel humor forums wrote:
It is an interesting subject.
I feel bad for that small percentage of people who truly suffer from some strange inexplicable bipolar disorder.
Why? Because, amazingly, now everyone who is prone to be in a bad mood, nasty, feeling down from time to time, immature, whatever can now claim that they have something medically wrong with them - when in fact, they just are having a hard time dealing with life?
So for the entire history of time people managed to get along - problems and all. And sure there were always people who were suffered.
Now? Well, sheesh, we all have instant excuses for being messed up. And docs who really are oh so happy to put people on all the anti-depressants which end up making people act even more freaky in the long run.
Anyways, like I said...for those truly unfortunate few who have serious, inexplicable, uncontrollable chemical imbalances I have great sympathy.
For the rest of us, please give us the wisdom to be more mature, resist taking drugs (prescription or otherwise), resist overmedicating your children because of a "professional" diagonses.
We all just have to realize that life is hard sometimes, too. No one ever said you shouldn't be down sometimes.
And yes, while South Florida is wonderful place, it does seem like we have more than our fair share of wackos. Everyone have fun with this posting...
Thanks for the positive outlook - I really think you have a great view of this complex topic.

Let's just blame all of our woes on some fictious crap and drug society into complacency (ADD and kids - kids are supposed to run around and get exercise instead of diabetes, but that makes mom and dad's job harder so lets drug them into conformity). Heaven forbid you have a bad day at work, time to pop some pills so you feel better. Life is not all roses and more and more people seem to think that the only answer is Pharma instead of actually dealing with the reality of life.

People are individuals and should be allowed to be themselves not drugged into the Pharma (and Government) companies version of conformation. If we are not careful we as a society will end up homogeneous, taking away all of the individuality that makes us special and unique.

Not to mention stifling creativity that has for centuries brought about incredible improvements in life, science, health - where would we be if no one thought outside the lines and considered a double helix? We would have never reached the stage of being able to target specific genetic code that is attributed to breast cancer for example.

People need to open their eyes and think about what is going on around them instead of paying Pharm to do the thinking for them.

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Tampa wrote:
Suzie B - I completely agree with you however, might I ask Suzie (since I have put a lot of myself out there on this board) where your opinion originated from? Your link has a list of articles from mostly reliable sources though I feel they are out of date especially for a rapidly changing field and are off topic (some back to 1995 or more) and most barely even contain the abstract (I went through them all). You cannot base an opinion on a scientific abstract. Having written many, unless you understand HOW the study was performed and what sub-groups of the population were used (and the environmental factors) along with the statistical analysis (many researchers fudge around with this until they get a significant answer) you cannot tell anything concrete about the study. Thus you MUST read and UNDERSTAND the FULL article before you start making blanket statements.
I take Lithium - it is a bi-polar medication; I have done every scrap of research possible and it has saved my life and many others. I am now a practicing Orthopedic Surgeon....with out medication I would be a vegetable; your BLANKET statement seems based upon an unstable foundation plus you are being very NEGATIVE to those of us that suffer from this disease - YOU ARE TAKING AWAY HOPE FROM OTHERS OUT THERE.
I have felt like a guinea pig for many years as Drs. just kept playing Guess and Test with different and very expensive medications. They caused me to gain weight, be constantly sick to my stomach, vomiting all the time, the financial burden, the nausea and dizziness.
Now I only take Lithium, and it is one of the few proven medications (the only other is Valproic Acid but the side effects of that are very harsh) that halts the degeneration of neural cells (I have used my Microscopy skills and the resources of the medical school at Duke to confirm that this is true). Understanding how it protects neurons is still in uncharted waters, but I can attest that with my own eyes I have seen the difference in neural protection and have experienced the minimal side effects with virtually no discomfort (you just have to drink alot of water but we all should drink more water a day so I choose to look at it as a positive).
I refuse to be a guinea pig though I do think it is important to share what knowledge I have with those who are interested. It it is something that no one can comprehend unless they live with it or live with some one suffering from it.
I have been very clear about my experiences; I never just trust the Rx handed to me and read every thing I can find before I will consider taking it and finally I make sure that I confirm this with the latest medical journals along with my own eyes so that I can be fully educated on the benefits and consequences of all Rx that have been prescribed to me for Bi-Polar disorder.
To every one else, those of you that have shown support - I greatly appreciate that you have taken what I have written to heart and your compassion makes a tremendous difference. I suffer from the worst kind of bi-polar disorder, rapid-cycling, so my moods can change from elated to suicidal in an instant. By sharing what I have learned and taught myself I hope that others can begin to see how debilitating this can be and that they are not alone.
I suffer from the disease. I put the extracts because most people don't want to read full texts - if you do, simply go find it and read it. I took all of these drugs, and now I cannot attend school. This is where I base my opinion from. I have inattentive ADHD/brain fog/temporal lobe damage from anticnvulsants and you bet your ass I'm pissed about it. The way antipsychotics affect the frontal lobe - forget about it.

I'm sorry you have the disease. That does not, however, give Pharma the right to shit in your brain and call it a cure.
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Oct 27, 2007
 
I am dealing with a beautiful partner that was just diagnoised with biopolar though has suffered in "silence" since she was about 10.
I am looking to touch base with women who are dealing both with biopolar issues and breast cancer issues. She has both and the chemo seems to make the biopolar issues way out there. Any one with any thoughts or experiences.
thanks!
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Oct 27, 2007
 
Since the "American Psychiatric Association" admitted that there is "no test" for chemical imbalance then the mental health has limited knowledge to mental health diseases. It should be noted that the mental health cannot describe what a mental illness is. It's all fraud at the cost of a person/child mental and physical health. The mental health and counseling industry is political and have no basis in the medical sciences. They would be better off studing phrenology and amusing the public.

Lets see:

If we take physiological differences between the so called "mentally ill" and the "normal", what would a proper and healthy chemical "balance" look like?"

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.
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Oct 27, 2007
 
TO:'Human Spirit'

Let's see, where do I begin.

Medical scientists don't really know the true molecular cell changes that cause cancer. Prior to modern medical technology, patients were diagnosed by their symptoms. It didn't mean then, and it does not mean now, that cancer was a "fraud".

Nutritionist and author Adele Davis had an extremely similar "theory" to yours -- she said if people followed her nutrition and exercise methods, they would never get cancer. Guess what she died of in her mid-60's? You got it, CANCER.

Medical scientists and doctors will tell you that, of the body, the least is known about the brain.

Your statement that, "It should be noted that the mental health cannot describe what a mental illness is" COULN'T BE MORE WRONG. Look them up in the DSMR. And the medical technology of brain scanning is now able to identify those parts of the brain affected by specific mental illnesses.

Doctors know that depression is caused by a failure of synapses within the brain to 'fire' correctly. There are millions of synapses in the human brain. And every synapse has a gap between the 'sending' side and the 'receiving' side. They are studying to find out if depression is caused by the 'sending' side not 'firing' its chemicals long enough to reach the 'receiving' side; OR if the 'receiving' side shuts down before it can absorb all of the chemicals 'fired' to it; OR it could be a little of both. AT ANY RATE, there are medications that actully work for those with depression. I KNOW. I'm one of them and I THANK GOD for Paxil every day.

Now, there are rare times, yet real times, that I get tired and irritated at having to take pills every day. But I'll bet insulin-dependant, heart-ailment patients, and cancer patients get tired of daily medication too. And when I get tired of taking my meds, I think about a 25-year-old family member who has Hodgkin's Disease and who has to take at least a couple dozen pills a day.

Don't knock medical science. And don't knock those with mental illness, BECAUSE THEIR ILLNESS HAS A PHYSICAL BASIS TOO.

Hopefully, your Medieval attitude will change with a little openmindedness and a lot of education. Remember, it's never too late to learn.

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Oct 28, 2007
 
The American Psychiatric Association admitted that there was "No Test" for chemical imbalance of the brain but yet diagnoses were made using that theory for 25 - 30 years. It was a lie. Therefore how do you know what mental disease you have in the 30 minutes of diagnoses with a psychiatrist without a chemical imbalance test. He can't make the diagnoses. It's guess work and it's not scientific. They also guess on the toxic amount of psychotropic drugs to give you and so they give you too much and you kill your neighbor. Now you have legal problems.

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People will fall for just about anything...

February 18 2007 at 11:57AM

New York - A media exhibit featuring a campaign for a fake drug to treat a fictitious illness is causing a stir because some people think the illness is real.

Australian artist Justine Cooper created the marketing campaign for a non-existent drug called Havidol for Dysphoric Social Attention Consumption Deficit Anxiety Disorder (DSACDAD), which she also invented.

But the multi-media exhibit at the Daneyal Mahmood Gallery in New York, which includes a website, mock television and print advertisements and billboards is so convincing people think it is authentic.

"People have walked into the gallery and thought it was real," Mahmood said in an interview.

'Subtle kind of parody'
"They didn't get the fact that this was a parody or satire."

But Mahmood said it really took off over the Internet. In the first few days after the website ( www.havidol.com ) went up, it had 5 000 hits. The last time he checked it had reached a quarter of a million.

"The thing that amazes me is that it has been folded into real websites for panic and anxiety disorder. It's been folded into a website for depression. It's been folded into hundreds of art blogs," he added.

The parody is in response to the tactics used by the drug industry to sell their wares to the public. Consumer advertising for prescription medications, which are a staple of television advertising in the United States, was legalised in the country in 1997.

Cooper said she intended the exhibit to be subtle.

"The drug ads themselves are sometimes so comedic. I couldn't be outrageously spoofy so I really wanted it to be a more subtle kind of parody that draws you in, makes you want this thing and then makes you wonder why you want it and maybe where you can get it," she added.

Mahmood said that in addition to generating interest among the artsy crowd, doctors and medical students have been asking about the exhibit.

"I think people identify with the condition," he said.

The number of people who were professional, no less, that started recommending the bogus drug to treat all types of hyped up mental illnesses is amazing.

Here's the website:

http://www.havidol.com/
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Oct 29, 2007
 
There's a lot of cash to be made out of all these, erm, psychiatric illnesses.

I was depressed for over 30 years, because I was sexually abused as a child. They tried to feed me all sorts of cr*p over the years, but the one thing which no-one ever wanted to do was to actually listen to me. They wanted to cover the abuse up, and pretend that I had become "unbalanced" for any other reason than child abuse.Since then, I've met loads of people with similar stories. It's a bleeding industry!

It wasn't my parents that abused me, I was institutionally abused. But my parents fell for the claptrap.

I wish people would just see what has been going on. Just look! Use your brains!
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HumanSpirit wrote:
People will fall for just about anything...
February 18 2007 at 11:57AM
New York - A media exhibit featuring a campaign for a fake drug to treat a fictitious illness is causing a stir because some people think the illness is real.
Australian artist Justine Cooper created the marketing campaign for a non-existent drug called Havidol for Dysphoric Social Attention Consumption Deficit Anxiety Disorder (DSACDAD), which she also invented.
But the multi-media exhibit at the Daneyal Mahmood Gallery in New York, which includes a website, mock television and print advertisements and billboards is so convincing people think it is authentic.
"People have walked into the gallery and thought it was real," Mahmood said in an interview.
'Subtle kind of parody'
"They didn't get the fact that this was a parody or satire."
But Mahmood said it really took off over the Internet. In the first few days after the website ( www.havidol.com ) went up, it had 5 000 hits. The last time he checked it had reached a quarter of a million.
"The thing that amazes me is that it has been folded into real websites for panic and anxiety disorder. It's been folded into a website for depression. It's been folded into hundreds of art blogs," he added.
The parody is in response to the tactics used by the drug industry to sell their wares to the public. Consumer advertising for prescription medications, which are a staple of television advertising in the United States, was legalised in the country in 1997.
Cooper said she intended the exhibit to be subtle.
"The drug ads themselves are sometimes so comedic.
Let me guess a scientologist perhaps? Although there is no cure and no specific test for many psychiatrist illnesses it does not follow that they do not exist. Your logic fails. Clearly for all of documented human history there have been documented cases of people exhibiting symptoms of mental illnesses including schizophrenia, manic depression, major depression, and severe panic/anxiety disorders. There are obviously some people who clearly are mentally ill and require medications to function. It is often a difficult process to determine what, if any, combination of current medications can benefit such individuals with the least risks and side effects. Some people are not able to be helped by any of the current options and or the risks and side effects/long term effects outweigh the minimal benefits. Others are helped dramatically and return to high level of functioning. We are all individuals with variant brain chemistry, so that this process is one of trial and error.
I do, however, agree with you that the pharmaceutical industry takes advantage of the gullible by also marketing their medications for such dubious diagnoses as seasonal affective dirorder, social anxiety disorder, premenstrual dysmorphic disorder etc. These obvious marketing ploys appear to work because we as a society seem to be looking for the easy way out...the magic pill to make us feel better. This activity by big pharma, and the lazy, uninformed prescribers, is a form of criminal negligence. These are serious medications that should only be used when necessary, and then carefully monitored to be sure that benefits outweigh the risks (both short and long-term).
I hope you realize that these are two different issues. As a person with bipolar disorder I take offense to your seemingly lumping this very real psychiatric disability with such made up disorders. Maybe a bit of more balanced research (non-scientology research) would benefit you and offer a more balanced perspective.

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Let me guess a scientologist perhaps? Although there is no cure and no specific test for many psychiatrist illnesses it does not follow that they do not exist. Your logic fails. Clearly for all of documented human history there have been documented cases of people exhibiting symptoms of mental illnesses including schizophrenia, manic depression, major depression, and severe panic/anxiety disorders. There are obviously some people who clearly are mentally ill and require medications to function. It is often a difficult process to determine what, if any, combination of current medications can benefit such individuals with the least risks and side effects. Some people are not able to be helped by any of the current options and or the risks and side effects/long term effects outweigh the minimal benefits. Others are helped dramatically and return to high level of functioning. We are all individuals with variant brain chemistry, so that this process is one of trial and error.
I do, however, agree with you that the pharmaceutical industry takes advantage of the gullible by also marketing their medications for such dubious diagnoses as seasonal affective dirorder, social anxiety disorder, premenstrual dysmorphic disorder etc. These obvious marketing ploys appear to work because we as a society seem to be looking for the easy way out...the magic pill to make us feel better. This activity by big pharma, and the lazy, uninformed prescribers, is a form of criminal negligence. These are serious medications that should only be used when necessary, and then carefully monitored to be sure that benefits outweigh the risks (both short and long-term).
I hope you realize that these are two different issues. As a person with bipolar disorder I take offense to your seemingly lumping this very real psychiatric disability with such made up disorders. Maybe a bit of more balanced research (non-scientology research) would benefit you and offer a more balanced perspective.
Not a scientologist

Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health, the psychiatric diagnosis, never gets to ancillary tests which include EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient.

I think you can see that the psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and the hearsay of a neighor, friend or former member of the family who may very well be making a false allegation or creating a position in a court of law for their advantage or the monies of Medicare / Disability that play a part in the diagnoses. The mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions.

On the basis of a 10-min. exchange between doctor & patient, a diagnosis (atypical schizophrenia) can be made and with the aid of one 2d physician the patient can be involuntarily hospitalized without any due process of law.. There is no other branch of medicine that permits this sort of thing: an orthopedic surgeon that wanted to operate without aid of an X-ray would be working at the car wash the next day.
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Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health, the psychiatric diagnosis, never gets to ancillary tests which include EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient.
I think you can see that the psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and the hearsay of a neighor, friend or former member of the family who may very well be making a false allegation or creating a position in a court of law for their advantage or the monies of Medicare / Disability that play a part in the diagnoses. The mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions.
On the basis of a 10-min. exchange between doctor & patient, a diagnosis (atypical schizophrenia) can be made and with the aid of one 2d physician the patient can be involuntarily hospitalized without any due process of law.. There is no other branch of medicine that permits this sort of thing: an orthopedic surgeon that wanted to operate without aid of an X-ray would be working at the car wash the next day.
Obviously you have a political agenda here. I sincerely doubt that you are not a scientolgist. Clearly you do not appear to realize that some people are indeed mentally ill and that they require treatment for mental illness in order to be functional. It would be wonderful to also have a tests to show us which medications will work best with which patients while having the fewest possible side effects. Unfortunately, the brain is not a simple organ. Each one is unique (excepting identical twins). We as a species are evolving and changing.

I for one am all for furthering research in the field so that we do have definitive tests some day for bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and other psychiatric disorders. I also hope that the pharmaceutical industry is held to task for marketing their drugs for such made up disorders as seasonal affective disorder etc.

Do you not see a distinction between the two issues? Are you for more research, and for correctly diagnosing and treating mental illness.... or are you just anti-psychiatry and anti-pharmaceutical industry.

You certainly appear to be the latter.
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So tell me,'Human Spirit'; what is the test that reveals that there is such a thing as a 'human spirit'.

You can't see it. You can't touch it. There's no blood test for it.'Human spirit' will not show up on an X-Ray, an EKG, or an MRI. AND UNLIKE MENTAL ILLNESS,'human spirit' does not reveal itself by any pattern on a CAT scan.

So tell me you so-called 'Human Spirit', how do YOU prove that there is such a thing? And since that is your forum name, there is no proof that you even exist at all!!!

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Obviously you have a political agenda here. I sincerely doubt that you are not a scientolgist. Clearly you do not appear to realize that some people are indeed mentally ill and that they require treatment for mental illness in order to be functional. It would be wonderful to also have a tests to show us which medications will work best with which patients while having the fewest possible side effects. Unfortunately, the brain is not a simple organ. Each one is unique (excepting identical twins). We as a species are evolving and changing.
I for one am all for furthering research in the field so that we do have definitive tests some day for bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and other psychiatric disorders. I also hope that the pharmaceutical industry is held to task for marketing their drugs for such made up disorders as seasonal affective disorder etc.
Do you not see a distinction between the two issues? Are you for more research, and for correctly diagnosing and treating mental illness.... or are you just anti-psychiatry and anti-pharmaceutical industry.
You certainly appear to be the latter.
Not a Scientologist as I have stated to you. That seems to be the cop-out of the mental health industry to anyone who questions the profession. No political agenda other then recognizing the political aspect of psychiatry and control over the population.

Psychiatry is no excepted in the sciences.

They are creating the profession of mental illness by psychotropic drugging and other bogus theories.

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Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health, the psychiatric diagnosis, never gets to ancillary tests which include EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient.
I think you can see that the psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and the hearsay of a neighor, friend or former member of the family who may very well be making a false allegation or creating a position in a court of law for their advantage or the monies of Medicare / Disability that play a part in the diagnoses. The mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions.
On the basis of a 10-min. exchange between doctor & patient, a diagnosis (atypical schizophrenia) can be made and with the aid of one 2d physician the patient can be involuntarily hospitalized without any due process of law.. There is no other branch of medicine that permits this sort of thing: an orthopedic surgeon that wanted to operate without aid of an X-ray would be working at the car wash the next day.
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Bipolar is organic and genetically based.
Not always true. Like schizophrenia environmental factors also influence. adopted children also get the disorder from their adoptive parents. And natural offspring do not always get the disease from parents who suffer from it.
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Hoping for a Cure wrote:
So tell me,'Human Spirit'; what is the test that reveals that there is such a thing as a 'human spirit'.
You can't see it. You can't touch it. There's no blood test for it.'Human spirit' will not show up on an X-Ray, an EKG, or an MRI. AND UNLIKE MENTAL ILLNESS,'human spirit' does not reveal itself by any pattern on a CAT scan.
So tell me you so-called 'Human Spirit', how do YOU prove that there is such a thing? And since that is your forum name, there is no proof that you even exist at all!!!
YOU are a FRAUD. You ignored my direct posting to you which means you CAN'T answer me.........YOU are UNABLE to outreason reason.

You exist only in your own mind, if you actually have one. You and Tommy-boy Cruise are in bed together. Enjoy your 'delusional fantasies'.

Much of your last posting was SO factually wrong. You may sound to others as though you know the law, but you do not.

No one is hurting you or forcing you to take any medications (though they probably should).

You are an incredibly pretentious, know-it-all, holier-than-thou, I-want-to-rule-the-world little misfit. And I do mean LITTLE. GET OVER YOURSELF.

p.s. Hey stupid 'human spirit': Let me give you a hint. The answer lies in what is empirical.

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TO:'HUMAN SPIRIT'
YOU are a FRAUD. You ignored my direct posting to you (see above) which means you CAN'T answer me.........YOU are UNABLE to outreason reason.
You exist only in your own mind, if you actually have one. You and Tommy-boy Cruise are in bed together. Enjoy your 'delusional fantasies'.
Much of your last posting was SO factually wrong. You may sound to others as though you know the law, but you do not.
No one is hurting you or forcing you to take any medications (though they probably should).
You are an incredibly pretentious, know-it-all, holier-than-thou, I-want-to-rule-the-world little misfit. And I do mean LITTLE. GET OVER YOURSELF.
p.s. Hey stupid 'human spirit': Let me give you a hint. The answer lies in what is empirical (look it up in the dictionary).
Your minds too boiled in psychotropic drugs and psychothearpy to make any sense. mundus vult decipi
old fert

Monomoy Island, MA

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bi-polar?... is that a gay polar bear....

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