Treatment For Bipolar Still Complex

Scientists are testing seasickness patches and other surprising options in a challenging search for new ways to treat the crushing depression and uncontrolled mania of bipolar disorder. Full Story
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life of hell

Boynton Beach, FL

#1 Oct 19, 2007
I was in a relationship with a bright and beautiful woman that was bipolar. I referred to my life as "one foot in heaven, one foot in hell". It is hell for all parties involved. The sad part, unlike depression, that puts the sufferer into moods of sleepiness and memory lapses, a bipolar sufferer know how terribly they behave and can't control it. That is why the suicide rate is so high w/ bipolar sufferers.
bipolarbear

United States

#3 Oct 19, 2007
CARL BOLLINGER wrote:
DO DRUGS & ALCHOLOL YOUR WHOLE LIFE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE BI-POLAR. PROBABLY VERY FEW ARE BY OTHER CAUSES.
You have it backwards. Many suffering from bi-polar disorder self-medicate with alcohol and/or drugs. Persons who are bi-polar tend to be very bright and accomplished. Ted Turner, Patty Duke and Connie Francis are some well-known examples. The highs are wonderful (though they make you seem insufferable to others) but the depressions are just unfathomable to someone who is not afflicted.

I stopped taking my meds a couple of years ago because they all but eliminated the creative and super-productive manic episodes. I may have to resume them as the death threats against me are beginning to ramp up again. As my shrink once said to me, "when you're in your manic stage it's like you're the only person who's drunk at a party. You're having a wonderful time but everyone else is wondering what the hell is going on."
hope

United States

#4 Oct 19, 2007
Please consider going back on the meds. The energy you feel in mania could be coupled with destruction.

People need to understand that bipolar disorder is not induced by nurture or substance abuse - it is an organic ailment, but there is hope.

I wish you the best, and I hope you'll consider talking with a medical provider.

My thoughts are with you.

-Hope, LCSW

PS - Jean Claude Van Damme also has bipolar disorder...
bipolarbear wrote:
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You have it backwards. Many suffering from bi-polar disorder self-medicate with alcohol and/or drugs. Persons who are bi-polar tend to be very bright and accomplished. Ted Turner, Patty Duke and Connie Francis are some well-known examples. The highs are wonderful (though they make you seem insufferable to others) but the depressions are just unfathomable to someone who is not afflicted.
I stopped taking my meds a couple of years ago because they all but eliminated the creative and super-productive manic episodes. I may have to resume them as the death threats against me are beginning to ramp up again. As my shrink once said to me, "when you're in your manic stage it's like you're the only person who's drunk at a party. You're having a wonderful time but everyone else is wondering what the hell is going on."
C Moore Butt

AOL

#5 Oct 19, 2007
Try Yoga.
THE UGLY TRUTH

United States

#6 Oct 19, 2007
For all you psychiatrists out there, Go to the City of Hollywood because per capita they have the most bi-polar people. I'm sure for a very low fee they would be willing to be guinea pigs.
PRETTY IN PINK

North Vancouver, Canada

#7 Oct 20, 2007
I lived with a bi-polar father and mother. I was treated in Pembroke Pines for my bi-polar at Court Project. I am grateful for there help. It is a hard diease to live with. I had breast cancer in 1996 and I got lots of help. Family and friends were not there for me when I told them I was bi-polar. I take my medication everyday and have never had to go back to the hospital. It's not easy living with the illness but you can do it.
Brigid

Youngstown, OH

#8 Oct 20, 2007
CARL BOLLINGER wrote:
DO DRUGS & ALCHOLOL YOUR WHOLE LIFE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE BI-POLAR. PROBABLY VERY FEW ARE BY OTHER CAUSES.
Please stop spreading ignorant myths about bipolar disease. People with bipolar disease have enough on their plates without this type of hateful misinformation. Bipolar is organic and genetically based. It is the pain of the disease and its effects on the patients life that often lead them to self-medicate with alcohol and drugs. There is plenty of good literature on the topic at the library and on the internet for your edification. Not that I think you would bother, for a moment, to actually research the topic.
BiPolar in Deerfield

Pompano Beach, FL

#9 Oct 20, 2007
Natural Solutions that work..

GABA
CANNABIS

and believe it or not the new plant that there demonizing

SALVIA...

Actually being diagnosed was a great liberation for me, I finally knew what the hell was going on.

The scary thing about being bipolar, is that it makes you very sensitive to the ebb and flow around you..

And... Half your impressions are REAL.

So sometimes the naggings fears, tremors and impressions are REAL...

And sometimes PEOPLE suck.

I trust in God...I try to be tolerate and I pay attention to my moods...

Its almost exciting.

Only had money problems a couple of times this year (ask a Bipolar about money)

GABA works for me better than DEPAKOTE (about 1.5 grams) and there are no side effects.

Be well..:^)
Larry

Wood Dale, IL

#10 Oct 20, 2007
hope wrote:
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People need to understand that bipolar disorder is not induced by nurture or substance abuse - it is an organic ailment<quoted text>
No link between any organic, genetic or other brain condition has been established with bipolar disorder. Bipolar and possibly even schizophrenia are mostly psychological conditions with a complex and mostly unidentified cause. This is why, despite increasing billions spent on research in the last 20 years, no new safer and more effective drugs are in the pipeline. The newest drugs, Abilify and Geodon are considered only modestly effective, and Bifeprunox was recently denied approval pending clinical trials that show effectiveness.
Idiot

United States

#11 Oct 20, 2007
CARL BOLLINGER wrote:
DO DRUGS & ALCHOLOL YOUR WHOLE LIFE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE BI-POLAR. PROBABLY VERY FEW ARE BY OTHER CAUSES.
You have proven yourself an idiot. Many bi-polar individuals never drink or take any drugs. You sound like one angry guy.

Perhaps you should go get some meds for your anger issues.
Blue Skies

New York, NY

#12 Oct 20, 2007
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
No link between any organic, genetic or other brain condition has been established with bipolar disorder. Bipolar and possibly even schizophrenia are mostly psychological conditions with a complex and mostly unidentified cause. This is why, despite increasing billions spent on research in the last 20 years, no new safer and more effective drugs are in the pipeline. The newest drugs, Abilify and Geodon are considered only modestly effective, and Bifeprunox was recently denied approval pending clinical trials that show effectiveness.
Right we just are imagining our illness.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/b...

What Causes Bipolar Disorder?

Scientists are learning about the possible causes of bipolar disorder through several kinds of studies. Most scientists now agree that there is no single cause for bipolar disorder&#8212;rather, many factors act together to produce the illness.

Because bipolar disorder tends to run in families, researchers have been searching for specific genes&#8212;the microscopic &#8220;building blocks&#8221; of DNA inside all cells that influence how the body and mind work and grow&#8212;passed down through generations that may increase a person&#8217;s chance of developing the illness. But genes are not the whole story. Studies of identical twins, who share all the same genes, indicate that both genes and other factors play a role in bipolar disorder. If bipolar disorder were caused entirely by genes, then the identical twin of someone with the illness would always develop the illness, and research has shown that this is not the case. But if one twin has bipolar disorder, the other twin is more likely to develop the illness than is another sibling.6

In addition, findings from gene research suggest that bipolar disorder, like other mental illnesses, does not occur because of a single gene.7 It appears likely that many different genes act together, and in combination with other factors of the person or the person&#8217;s environment, to cause bipolar disorder. Finding these genes, each of which contributes only a small amount toward the vulnerability to bipolar disorder, has been extremely difficult. But scientists expect that the advanced research tools now being used will lead to these discoveries and to new and better treatments for bipolar disorder.

Brain-imaging studies are helping scientists learn what goes wrong in the brain to produce bipolar disorder and other mental illnesses.8,9 New brain-imaging techniques allow researchers to take pictures of the living brain at work, to examine its structure and activity, without the need for surgery or other invasive procedures. These techniques include magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), positron emission tomography (PET), and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI). There is evidence from imaging studies that the brains of people with bipolar disorder may differ from the brains of healthy individuals. As the differences are more clearly identified and defined through research, scientists will gain a better understanding of the underlying causes of the illness, and eventually may be able to predict which types of treatment will work most effectively.
the sentinel humor forums

West Palm Beach, FL

#13 Oct 21, 2007
It is an interesting subject.

I feel bad for that small percentage of people who truly suffer from some strange inexplicable bipolar disorder.

Why? Because, amazingly, now everyone who is prone to be in a bad mood, nasty, feeling down from time to time, immature, whatever can now claim that they have something medically wrong with them - when in fact, they just are having a hard time dealing with life?

So for the entire history of time people managed to get along - problems and all. And sure there were always people who were suffered.

Now? Well, sheesh, we all have instant excuses for being messed up. And docs who really are oh so happy to put people on all the anti-depressants which end up making people act even more freaky in the long run.

Anyways, like I said...for those truly unfortunate few who have serious, inexplicable, uncontrollable chemical imbalances I have great sympathy.

For the rest of us, please give us the wisdom to be more mature, resist taking drugs (prescription or otherwise), resist overmedicating your children because of a "professional" diagonses.

We all just have to realize that life is hard sometimes, too. No one ever said you shouldn't be down sometimes.

And yes, while South Florida is wonderful place, it does seem like we have more than our fair share of wackos. Everyone have fun with this posting...
alex

Boca Raton, FL

#14 Oct 21, 2007
CARL BOLLINGER wrote:
DO DRUGS & ALCHOLOL YOUR WHOLE LIFE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE BI-POLAR. PROBABLY VERY FEW ARE BY OTHER CAUSES.
Y O U ARE STUPID
Hoping for a Cure

United States

#15 Oct 21, 2007
Dear "the Sentinel humor forums"

YOU are even MORE STUPID than 'Carl Bollinger'.

The fact is that many people suffer from mental/emotional illnesses. They get treatment and live very productive lives. You probably work or know some with these neurological illnesses; they just don't feel the need to tell you about it. Perhaps they sense your stupidity and prejudice.

YOU ARE, IN FACT, TOO STIPID FOR WORDS.
Dennis

United States

#16 Oct 21, 2007
Hoping for a Cure wrote:
Dear "the Sentinel humor forums"
YOU are even MORE STUPID than 'Carl Bollinger'.
The fact is that many people suffer from mental/emotional illnesses. They get treatment and live very productive lives. You probably work or know some with these neurological illnesses; they just don't feel the need to tell you about it. Perhaps they sense your stupidity and prejudice.
YOU ARE, IN FACT, TOO STIPID FOR WORDS.
I second that. Why do people who have no knowledge (obviously) of medical issues feel that they can just post whatever comes into their heads?
Tampa

Wallburg, NC

#17 Oct 21, 2007
I do truly suffer from bi-polar disorder. My problems began when I was at least 13 years old if not earlier but my mother the therapist was in denial so I was not treated until seeking help in college.(I am 30 now and have survived several suicide attempts) I have no control when the bad points hit and life in hell is right - you know you hurt those that love you but you can't stop it hence high suicide rates.
To Sentinel - I agree that mental disorders are extremely over diagnosed in this country. many medications are nothing but a sham and I have non-blood relatives that immediately upon feeling bad pop their happy pills. Life is not easy, it is not fair, and it is hard - one must learn to cope not just drug themselves.
Those that simply suffer from a bout of depression and look to drugs for an answer are WEAK and PATHETIC. I take my medication but at the lowest levels (and types) possible so that I can still be a human being.
BOLLINGER - waste of a human being. Ignorant discriminatory pig. Substance abuse is common in bi-polar individuals because morons refuse to recognize the extent of our suffering. You are good for nothing but gator food.
Hoping for a Cure - you aren't much brighter than those you are slamming. This country has an excess of "mental/emotional" illnesses because people think that if they are in a crap mood they can just go to the Dr. and get some happy pills and it will be ok - this is far easier than dealing with the reality of life which is what they should be doing. These "illnesses" are crap and have no organic foundation.
Bi-polar/associated disorders are intense, violent, and hurtful to all around and because they are part genetic and part environmental (like some cancers.....)it is very hard to study them and understand but new technologies like fMRI do shed new light on a long standing problem. This is a real disease, an organic brain disorder that if not treated will result in degradation in neural activity.
Hoping in WPB - you clearly have no idea the extreme suffering this disorder causes and the abuse we put on ourselves for being unable to help our behavior at times. you are looking to drugs to solve your problems. I can see your stupidity and prejudice as depression is not an organic brain disorder.
You just want the attention - sad. You insult those suffering and your attitudes are what cause us to be left on the back burner.
I have dealt with this disease alone for almost 20 years and can see what is going on
Hoping is full of it as is Bollinger while Sentinel forums makes an excellent point - that over diagnosis makes it a million times harder for those that are really ill to obtain treatment.
From reading this, a lot of you need to spend your time educating yourself on this before you run your mouth about something you know nothing about. This is too complex to just read an article and think you know.
I must say to "life of hell" that I am sorry this disorder destroyed your relationship. I truly am because I am that woman - not to you but I have my own significant other and for the past 9 years he has been struggling but helping and working to understand on his own what is wrong with me and how to deal with it.
I would be dead if he were not in my life; I never want to hurt someone so committed to helping me - but the strain that this puts on a relationship is so intense that many times I have just wanted to walk away into oblivion so that I am no longer a burden to him.
Bollinger and Hope - get a grip and screw your whiny drug answers; you have no idea so shut the * up.
i live with this torture every day and i try like hell to fight it but sometimes things go beyond what I can control despite knowing it is wrong.
I am not some idiot - I am an orthopedic surgeon; medical school at Duke and an MD by 25 - most bi-polars are either very bright or succumb to their disease.
Unless you are in the boat with me you have no right to judge period.
Tampa

Wallburg, NC

#18 Oct 21, 2007
I do truly suffer from bi-polar disorder. My problems began when I was at least 13 years old if not earlier but my mother the therapist was in denial so I was not treated until seeking help in college.(I am 30 now and have survived several suicide attempts) I have no control when the bad points hit and life in hell is right - you know you hurt those that love you but you can't stop it hence high suicide rates.
To Sentinel - I agree that mental disorders are extremely over diagnosed in this country. many medications are nothing but a sham and I have non-blood relatives that immediately upon feeling bad pop their happy pills. Life is not easy, it is not fair, and it is hard - one must learn to cope not just drug themselves.
Those that simply suffer from a bout of depression and look to drugs for an answer are WEAK and PATHETIC. I take my medication but at the lowest levels (and types) possible so that I can still be a human being.
BOLLINGER - waste of a human being. Ignorant discriminatory pig. Substance abuse is common in bi-polar individuals because morons refuse to recognize the extent of our suffering. You are good for nothing but gator food.
Hoping for a Cure - you aren't much brighter than those you are slamming. This country has an excess of "mental/emotional" illnesses because people think that if they are in a crap mood they can just go to the Dr. and get some happy pills and it will be ok - this is far easier than dealing with the reality of life which is what they should be doing. These "illnesses" are crap and have no organic foundation.
Bi-polar/associated disorders are intense, violent, and hurtful to all around and because they are part genetic and part environmental (like some cancers.....)it is very hard to study them and understand but new technologies like fMRI do shed new light on a long standing problem. This is a real disease, an organic brain disorder that if not treated will result in degradation in neural activity.
Hoping in WPB - you clearly have no idea the extreme suffering this disorder causes and the abuse we put on ourselves for being unable to help our behavior at times. you are looking to drugs to solve your problems. I can see your stupidity and prejudice as depression is not an organic brain disorder.
You just want the attention - sad. You insult those suffering and your attitudes are what cause us to be left on the back burner.
I have dealt with this disease alone for almost 20 years and can see what is going on
Hoping is full of it as is Bollinger while Sentinel forums makes an excellent point - that over diagnosis makes it a million times harder for those that are really ill to obtain treatment.
From reading this, a lot of you need to spend your time educating yourself on this before you run your mouth about something you know nothing about. This is too complex to just read an article and think you know.
I must say to "life of hell" that I am sorry this disorder destroyed your relationship. I truly am because I am that woman - not to you but I have my own significant other and for the past 9 years he has been struggling but helping and working to understand on his own what is wrong with me and how to deal with it.
I would be dead if he were not in my life; I never want to hurt someone so committed to helping me - but the strain that this puts on a relationship is so intense that many times I have just wanted to walk away into oblivion so that I am no longer a burden to him.
Bollinger and Hope - get a grip and screw your whiny drug answers; you have no idea so shut the * up.
i live with this torture every day and i try like hell to fight it but sometimes things go beyond what I can control despite knowing it is wrong.
I am not some idiot - I am an orthopedic surgeon; medical school at Duke and an MD by 25 - most bi-polars are either very bright or succumb to their disease.
Unless you are in the boat with me you have no right to judge period.
the sentinel humor forums

West Palm Beach, FL

#19 Oct 21, 2007
Tampa wrote:
My problems began when I was at least 13 years old if not earlier but my mother the therapist was in denial so I was not treated until seeking help in college.(I am 30 now and have survived several suicide attempts) I have no control when the bad points hit and life in hell is right - you know you hurt those that love you but you can't stop it hence high suicide rates.
To Sentinel - I agree that mental disorders are extremely over diagnosed in this country. many medications are nothing but a sham and I have non-blood relatives that immediately upon feeling bad pop their happy pills. Life is not easy, it is not fair, and it is hard - one must learn to cope not just drug themselves.
Those that simply suffer from a bout of depression and look to drugs for an answer are WEAK and PATHETIC. I take my medication but at the lowest levels (and types) possible so that I can still be a human being.
BOLLINGER - waste of a human being. Ignorant discriminatory pig. Substance abuse is common in bi-polar individuals because morons refuse to recognize the extent of our suffering. You are good for nothing but gator food.
Hoping for a Cure - you aren't much brighter than those you are slamming. This country has an excess of "mental/emotional" illnesses because people think that if they are in a crap mood they can just go to the Dr. and get some happy pills and it will be ok - this is far easier than dealing with the reality of life which is what they should be doing. These "illnesses" are crap and have no organic foundation.
Bi-polar/associated disorders are intense, violent, and hurtful to all around and because they are part genetic and part environmental (like some cancers.....)it is very hard to study them and understand but new technologies like fMRI do shed new light on a long standing problem. This is a real disease, an organic brain disorder that if not treated will result in degradation in neural activity.
Hoping in WPB - you clearly have no idea the extreme suffering this disorder causes and the abuse we put on ourselves for being unable to help our behavior at times. you are looking to drugs to solve your problems. I can see your stupidity and prejudice as depression is not an organic brain disorder.
You just want the attention - sad. You insult those suffering and your attitudes are what cause us to be left on the back burner.
I have dealt with this disease alone for almost 20 years and can see what is going on
Hoping is full of it as is Bollinger while Sentinel forums makes an excellent point - that over diagnosis makes it a million times harder for those that are really ill to obtain treatment.
From reading this, a lot of you need to spend your time educating yourself on this before you run your mouth about something you know nothing about. This is too complex to just read an article and think you know.
I truly am because I am that woman - not to you but I have my own significant other and for the past 9 years he has been struggling but helping and working to understand on his own what is wrong with me and how to deal with it.
I would be dead if he were not in my life; I never want to hurt someone so committed to helping me - but the strain that this puts on a relationship is so intense that many times I have just wanted to walk away into oblivion so that I am no longer a burden to him.
Bollinger and Hope - get a grip and screw your whiny drug answers; you have no idea so shut the * up.
i live with this torture every day and i try like hell to fight it but sometimes things go beyond what I can control despite knowing it is wrong.
I am not some idiot - I am an orthopedic surgeon; medical school at Duke and an MD by 25 - most bi-polars are either very bright or succumb to their disease.
Unless you are in the boat with me you have no right to judge period.
Nice. Best wishes in your treatment...only you know the hardships as they are...my best wishes, again.
Curlylocks

Tampa, FL

#20 Oct 22, 2007
bipolarbear wrote:
<quoted text>
You have it backwards. Many suffering from bi-polar disorder self-medicate with alcohol and/or drugs. Persons who are bi-polar tend to be very bright and accomplished. Ted Turner, Patty Duke and Connie Francis are some well-known examples. The highs are wonderful (though they make you seem insufferable to others) but the depressions are just unfathomable to someone who is not afflicted.
I stopped taking my meds a couple of years ago because they all but eliminated the creative and super-productive manic episodes. I may have to resume them as the death threats against me are beginning to ramp up again. As my shrink once said to me, "when you're in your manic stage it's like you're the only person who's drunk at a party. You're having a wonderful time but everyone else is wondering what the hell is going on."
I have a friend suffering from Bipolar disorder that recently had to leave for a treatment facility. I try to understand and am wondering if it's worth my fight to continue a relationship with the man i consider my soulmate. You remind me of him, your name, your location, your words.:-)
Hoping for a Cure

United States

#21 Oct 22, 2007
TO:'Tampa'

Thank You for the courage to share your experience with bipolar disorder.

God Bless you and keep you safe always.

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