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Vaccines Cause MS

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Mar 16, 2013
Thats what mainstream medicine says about everything. Its a blanket statement like many they have. Another good one is vaccines are safe and side effects rare and mild...hilarious, who do they think they are fooling?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#2 Mar 17, 2013
Vaccines Cause MS wrote:
Thats what mainstream medicine says about everything. Its a blanket statement like many they have. Another good one is vaccines are safe and side effects rare and mild...hilarious, who do they think they are fooling?
You would rather just lay down and accept death? You are a defeatist.
Then They Vaccinated

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You would rather just lay down and accept death? You are a defeatist.
Thanks for the DUH. Where do I say that?

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#4 Mar 17, 2013
Vaccines Cause MS wrote:
Thats what mainstream medicine says about everything. Its a blanket statement like many they have. Another good one is vaccines are safe and side effects rare and mild...hilarious, who do they think they are fooling?
People who prattle nonsense like that about vaccines are too young to remember classmates and relatives landing in iron lungs, dying or crippled for life by polio. They didn't go to college by one classmate who was blinded for life when his mother got Rubella while pregnant with him (he was born without lives), or a husband who recovered from measles -- with epilepsy. They didn't have a friend whose twin sister died of diphtheria or whose best friend's baby brother died from whooping cough.

That's just one person and I didn't even have a large family. That was all just from one small town.

Radiation is a calculated risk. The odds are GREAT that the person will not only survive but thrive afterwards (and of course there's no risk to the heart when the cancer was on the right side). What is one's choice? You can do what I did, which was to have a mastectomy, but if the cancer had spread to the lymph nodes I would have been a fool to skip radiation.

If people want to believe conspiracy theories about anything in mainstream medicine (or all of mainstream medicine)-- that's their right. But if they share their misinformation in a public forum they should expect to be challenged.

Oh yeah -- those "evil" antibiotics? Because of the lack of them, three cousins of mine spent a total of nearly 4 years in the hospital when they were very young because of rheumatic fever.

People who hold these beliefs for the most part have no idea the true horrors modern medicine can prevent. I WISH we had answers as easy as vaccines and antibiotics for breast cancer. On the other hand, if we did, there still would be people trying to tell us how terrible that particular treatment, preventative or cure, is.

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#5 Mar 17, 2013
I'm sorry. When I said "(he was born without lives)" I meant to say "(he was born without eyes.)" Thoughts faster than fingers, sorry for any confusion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#6 Mar 18, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
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People who prattle nonsense like that about vaccines are too young to remember classmates and relatives landing in iron lungs, dying or crippled for life by polio. They didn't go to college by one classmate who was blinded for life when his mother got Rubella while pregnant with him (he was born without lives), or a husband who recovered from measles -- with epilepsy. They didn't have a friend whose twin sister died of diphtheria or whose best friend's baby brother died from whooping cough.
That's just one person and I didn't even have a large family. That was all just from one small town.
Radiation is a calculated risk. The odds are GREAT that the person will not only survive but thrive afterwards (and of course there's no risk to the heart when the cancer was on the right side). What is one's choice? You can do what I did, which was to have a mastectomy, but if the cancer had spread to the lymph nodes I would have been a fool to skip radiation.
If people want to believe conspiracy theories about anything in mainstream medicine (or all of mainstream medicine)-- that's their right. But if they share their misinformation in a public forum they should expect to be challenged.
Oh yeah -- those "evil" antibiotics? Because of the lack of them, three cousins of mine spent a total of nearly 4 years in the hospital when they were very young because of rheumatic fever.
People who hold these beliefs for the most part have no idea the true horrors modern medicine can prevent. I WISH we had answers as easy as vaccines and antibiotics for breast cancer. On the other hand, if we did, there still would be people trying to tell us how terrible that particular treatment, preventative or cure, is.
Very well stated.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Mar 18, 2013
Then They Vaccinated wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the DUH. Where do I say that?
Without medicine, modern medicine, real medicine, I would not be alive, and likely you would be dead as well. How many people have you see with limbs falling off because of an incurable illness? How many people are wandering the streets with sores from a bacteria? How many blind people are begging for handouts? How many people are starving in the streets unable o work for food?

The numbers are much lower, lower than they were when I was even young, and so much lower than a century ago. Average lifespan 100 years ago was below 70, 500 years ago it was below 50, a thousand years ago and you were lucky to make to past 40. So denying modern medicine is giving up on life itself, as well as not caring about the other human lives saved by it. You are a defeatist.

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#8 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Without medicine, modern medicine, real medicine, I would not be alive, and likely you would be dead as well. How many people have you see with limbs falling off because of an incurable illness? How many people are wandering the streets with sores from a bacteria? How many blind people are begging for handouts? How many people are starving in the streets unable o work for food?
The numbers are much lower, lower than they were when I was even young, and so much lower than a century ago. Average lifespan 100 years ago was below 70, 500 years ago it was below 50, a thousand years ago and you were lucky to make to past 40. So denying modern medicine is giving up on life itself, as well as not caring about the other human lives saved by it. You are a defeatist.
Most people who hold those beliefs aren't defeatist. They think they know more and are sure there are huge conspiracies hiding the "real truth" from us because it would cost someone money.

In fact, every time something from alternative medicine has gone mainstream large amounts of money are made. Aspirin is a terrific example. Its origins are in the bark of a tree, as is tamoxifen, something that changed cancer care for many women and that has saved many, many lives.

There's no grand conspiracy, and I stand with you -- alive not once, but THREE times. Modern medicine has saved my life three times -- not counting all the "what ifs" -- what if I'd gotten rheumatic fever, or polio, or diphtheria, etc. that's only the times I KNOW modern medicine saved me.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 Mar 18, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people who hold those beliefs aren't defeatist. They think they know more and are sure there are huge conspiracies hiding the "real truth" from us because it would cost someone money.
In fact, every time something from alternative medicine has gone mainstream large amounts of money are made. Aspirin is a terrific example. Its origins are in the bark of a tree, as is tamoxifen, something that changed cancer care for many women and that has saved many, many lives.
There's no grand conspiracy, and I stand with you -- alive not once, but THREE times. Modern medicine has saved my life three times -- not counting all the "what ifs" -- what if I'd gotten rheumatic fever, or polio, or diphtheria, etc. that's only the times I KNOW modern medicine saved me.
I call them what they purport even if they do not purport it on purpose. ;)
Gardasil Maims Kills

Winnipeg, Canada

#10 Mar 18, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
<quoted text>
People who prattle nonsense like that about vaccines are too young to remember classmates and relatives landing in iron lungs, dying or crippled for life by polio. They didn't go to college by one classmate who was blinded for life when his mother got Rubella while pregnant with him (he was born without lives), or a husband who recovered from measles -- with epilepsy. They didn't have a friend whose twin sister died of diphtheria or whose best friend's baby brother died from whooping cough.
That's just one person and I didn't even have a large family. That was all just from one small town.
Radiation is a calculated risk. The odds are GREAT that the person will not only survive but thrive afterwards (and of course there's no risk to the heart when the cancer was on the right side). What is one's choice? You can do what I did, which was to have a mastectomy, but if the cancer had spread to the lymph nodes I would have been a fool to skip radiation.
If people want to believe conspiracy theories about anything in mainstream medicine (or all of mainstream medicine)-- that's their right. But if they share their misinformation in a public forum they should expect to be challenged.
Oh yeah -- those "evil" antibiotics? Because of the lack of them, three cousins of mine spent a total of nearly 4 years in the hospital when they were very young because of rheumatic fever.
People who hold these beliefs for the most part have no idea the true horrors modern medicine can prevent. I WISH we had answers as easy as vaccines and antibiotics for breast cancer. On the other hand, if we did, there still would be people trying to tell us how terrible that particular treatment, preventative or cure, is.
Either vaccines are safe or not that's the question. The answer no. Vaccines trade one set of illnesses for another set.
Gardasil Maims Kills

Winnipeg, Canada

#11 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Without medicine, modern medicine, real medicine, I would not be alive, and likely you would be dead as well. How many people have you see with limbs falling off because of an incurable illness? How many people are wandering the streets with sores from a bacteria? How many blind people are begging for handouts? How many people are starving in the streets unable o work for food?
The numbers are much lower, lower than they were when I was even young, and so much lower than a century ago. Average lifespan 100 years ago was below 70, 500 years ago it was below 50, a thousand years ago and you were lucky to make to past 40. So denying modern medicine is giving up on life itself, as well as not caring about the other human lives saved by it. You are a defeatist.
And autism has increased 78% in 10 years. Whats the point of living when you can hardly understand what goes on around you? We are getting closer to 100% of our children having autism because of vaccines. So less beggers but more special needs. So your rant is nonsense because vaccines simply cause a whole other set of illnesses.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#12 Mar 18, 2013
Gardasil Maims Kills wrote:
<quoted text> And autism has increased 78% in 10 years. Whats the point of living when you can hardly understand what goes on around you? We are getting closer to 100% of our children having autism because of vaccines. So less beggers but more special needs. So your rant is nonsense because vaccines simply cause a whole other set of illnesses.
You are positing a fallacy of equivocation here, and nothing more.

When we learned what cancer was and how to detect it, the number of cases of those diagnosed with cancer increased by 1,000%... should we blame water since that's the only thing they all consumed?

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#13 Mar 18, 2013
Gardasil Maims Kills wrote:
<quoted text> Either vaccines are safe or not that's the question. The answer no. Vaccines trade one set of illnesses for another set.
Well, no. Trades are 50/50. Very few people get ill from vaccines. The FACT is that vaccines do NOT cause autism. The most easily observed signs of autism happen to emerge at about the same time as vaccines. As those who understand science say, "coincidence (correlation) is not causism." In fact, some vaccines are recommended for people with MS.

One very small and poorly controlled study suggested that if a person *already* had the relapsing/remitting type of MS, the yellow fever vaccine MIGHT cause a flare-up -- but not the MS itself. There is NO credible evidence.

I sympathize with the desire to have something to blame. Someone very close to me may have MS, and another friend does. It's frustrating when medicine knows so much about some things and has such inadequate knowledge about others. But making stuff up doesn't make things better.

This is a breast cancer forum. If/when they come up with a vaccine for breast cancer I hope both my daughters can have it, since it's genetic in my family.

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#14 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are positing a fallacy of equivocation here, and nothing more.
When we learned what cancer was and how to detect it, the number of cases of those diagnosed with cancer increased by 1,000%... should we blame water since that's the only thing they all consumed?
Real science doesn't use per centages. And in fact in the largest controlled study, in Denmark, there was no difference in the rate of autism among vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.

Autism is GENETIC. Adults who are mildly autistic find each other, and marry, and the genes multiply. In addition, diagnosis has really improved. The combination makes it APPEAR that there's an "epidemic," and BY GOD we're gonna find something to blame! See my other post.

I've taught children with autism. Very often the signs are apparent in at least one of the parents. A multiplicty of genes are involved, so there's no way for parents to predict ahead of time whether they are likely to have a child who develops autism.

Since autism isn't related in any way to breast cancer, your comments are WAY off topic. But (incorrectly) blaming vaccines causes a lot of parents a lot of pain, and the people who promote that nonsense should get the facts and stop causing those poor parents even more pain. It's just WRONG.

Then there are the children who will die because they didn't get a needed vaccine. I know of one myself. She caught measles from a child whose parents didn't believe in vaccinations, and she died a terrible death.

Since: Feb 10

Clearwater, FL

#15 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are positing a fallacy of equivocation here, and nothing more.
When we learned what cancer was and how to detect it, the number of cases of those diagnosed with cancer increased by 1,000%... should we blame water since that's the only thing they all consumed?
Now, wait just a minute -- they probably all ate potatoes, too ...
H1N1 Narcolepsy

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 Mar 18, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, no. Trades are 50/50. Very few people get ill from vaccines. The FACT is that vaccines do NOT cause autism. The most easily observed signs of autism happen to emerge at about the same time as vaccines. As those who understand science say, "coincidence (correlation) is not causism." In fact, some vaccines are recommended for people with MS.
One very small and poorly controlled study suggested that if a person *already* had the relapsing/remitting type of MS, the yellow fever vaccine MIGHT cause a flare-up -- but not the MS itself. There is NO credible evidence.
I sympathize with the desire to have something to blame. Someone very close to me may have MS, and another friend does. It's frustrating when medicine knows so much about some things and has such inadequate knowledge about others. But making stuff up doesn't make things better.
This is a breast cancer forum. If/when they come up with a vaccine for breast cancer I hope both my daughters can have it, since it's genetic in my family.
Thanks for the Pharma propaganda lesson. Obviously you don't get how much illness vaccines cause, or don't want to believe.
H1N1 Narcolepsy

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Mar 18, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
<quoted text>
Real science doesn't use per centages. And in fact in the largest controlled study, in Denmark, there was no difference in the rate of autism among vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.
Autism is GENETIC. Adults who are mildly autistic find each other, and marry, and the genes multiply. In addition, diagnosis has really improved. The combination makes it APPEAR that there's an "epidemic," and BY GOD we're gonna find something to blame! See my other post.
I've taught children with autism. Very often the signs are apparent in at least one of the parents. A multiplicty of genes are involved, so there's no way for parents to predict ahead of time whether they are likely to have a child who develops autism.
Since autism isn't related in any way to breast cancer, your comments are WAY off topic. But (incorrectly) blaming vaccines causes a lot of parents a lot of pain, and the people who promote that nonsense should get the facts and stop causing those poor parents even more pain. It's just WRONG.
Then there are the children who will die because they didn't get a needed vaccine. I know of one myself. She caught measles from a child whose parents didn't believe in vaccinations, and she died a terrible death.
Wrong

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#18 Mar 19, 2013
Gail Perry wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, wait just a minute -- they probably all ate potatoes, too ...
Yep, we should ban those as well!

;) Sometimes a second read of what I post is in order, no? Oh, and real science does use percentages a lot, especially when addressing the content. "Parts" are a major term in chemistry, and that is a simplified percentage.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 Mar 19, 2013
H1N1 Narcolepsy wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong
Yet, you have no scientific, peer reviewed, paper that demonstrates they were wrong. Funny that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#20 Mar 19, 2013
H1N1 Narcolepsy wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the Pharma propaganda lesson. Obviously you don't get how much illness vaccines cause, or don't want to believe.
Let's pretend for just a moment, that you're correct and they do cause some illness, say autism, since that's fallaciously blamed on vaccines. Autism doesn't kill the patient, they just get a bit less capable than the rest of us in some areas, and more capable in others. Okay, and one of the vaccines a child gets at birth is measles, which can be transmitted through the air. Do you know what measles does? It causes the brain to swell, thus making you stupid, possibly insane, and eventually kill you ... in a matter of months, if you're lucky. Measles can also cause pneumonia, imagine asthma but with no inhaler to help you breath, of course even if there was an inhaler to help you breath with pneumonia, without medications people die from it. So you are saying that all of that is better than autism? You are one sadistic human.

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