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JoeJ

Rousseau, KY

#1 Apr 29, 2008
I figured this topic would get a few people looking ready to start angrily responding.

My point in starting this thread is because I beat so-called Bipolar over a year ago. It was difficult and took me ten years to fully understand what I was dealing with. I read self-help books, saw doctors of all types, researched the internet, took medications and talked to family. I have been diagnosed and misdiagnosed many times over for numerous things. But, because of limited space on this board I will have to summarize.

My experiences and knowledge have taken to a place that many do not go. Its a place where very few doctors reside. Its unconventional. Its a place where mainstream thinking isn't allowed. Its called REALITY the way it was meant to be.

We must face the facts that psychiatrists are owned by drug companies and all the so-called disorders are nothing more than convenient labels to cover up symptoms. The key word here is SYMPTOMS. If we treat ourselves by our own symptoms, we solve our problems, going straight to the source. BIPOLAR does not exist. It is merely a symptom of one or more factors that originally exist outside our bodies. The foods we eat, lack of knowledge, stubborness to say the least. We foolishly listen to bad advice given on television just to make our lives seem more out of control. The majority of all food in America is bad for you and causes most of the symptoms of so-called Bipolar, ADHD and many others.

Follow a new rule:

We need very little food to survive.

The body is the most intelligent species in existence. It only knows what it needs, NOT WANTS. It needs very little. But, what it does need is the right nutrients and RESPECT. When you eat ice cream, hamburgers, and candy you are insulting the body. It works hard to figure out what to do with it and breaks down a little more each time. Our brains do not function well with too many calories.

My doctors wanted me on Lithium and claimed nothing else would work. They were stupid liars.

Another rule:

Dont listen to the FDA.

2000 Calories is way too much.

We dont need more than 1000 at the most every day. ANything more puts you at risk of side effects like moodiness, fatigue, anger and all those things affect behavior in the long run.

Eat small bites of a variety of foods every day and you will see your life change dramatically. For a more detailed guideline, follow a healthy Japanese diet. They live longer than Americans. Americans want money and lie for it. They could care less about YOU. Be smart and investigate information before believing it.

Another rule:

B6 B12 Zinc vitamins are hardly found in the American diet at levels needed by the brain. 90% of all "bipolar" symptoms are caused by this. Take a megavitamin with fair amounts of this "One Source for Men" and watch your symptoms disappear in a week. Ive been there.

Also hit a punch bag once a day if possible.

YOU DONT NEED DOCTORS OR PILLS.
Josh

Elizabeth City, NC

#2 May 5, 2008
JoeJ,
Your statement "BIPOLAR does not exist. It is merely a symptom of one or more factors that originally exist outside our bodies." makes no logical sense. No factors outside my brain caused me to loose touch with reality when I was manic, or become suicidal afterwards for months. If bad American food causes the "symptoms" of bipolar wouldnt there be a lot more Bipolar people as in most people in the US. I am glad that you found the cure for bipolar disorder is B6 B12 Zinc vitamins, too bad all of us other people who take medicine that make living normal lives possible havent found this miracle cure. Im sure because you think you "beat bipolar" because you discovered that vitamins are the cause of it and by eating less and "hit a punch bag once a day if possible" that you one be cured, that you are much more qualified to help people live with this disorder than medical doctors who went through 8 years of post college graduate med-school and training to learn how to treat patients with this disorder.

By the way this is not an angry responce. I just thought it was funny that you have discovered the cure for a mental illness that you claim does not exist; vitamins, eating like japanese people and "hit a punch bag"-Im sure that would keep me stable and happy way better than pills that treat specific symptoms with the help of a doctor.
One question what other illnesses are you going to discover that do not exist, and figure out how to cure them for all of us hamburger eating, stubborn, ignorant, and knowledge lacking Americans? Because only you have found the cause and cure of Bipolar Disorder, not any doctors who are "stupid liars".

“xoxoxo”

Since: Apr 08

Elk Grove, CA

#3 May 6, 2008
Bipolar isnt a convinient label for symptoms, i know we all wish we could say we dont have a mental illness, and i know having that stamped on your forehead isnt all that great. But being bipolar means you have a chemical embalance in your brain, does not mean you are crazy or abnormal. We go through some stuff, some swings, maybe get a little more sensitive then others, but there is nothing wrong with us. Sorry to tell you but you cannot BEAT bipolar, its not cancer. Ater you take your meds for a long time you think you are doing great and dont need them anymore thats when you slip. trust me i know. you might want to read more about bipolar or see a psychologist.
If it was just a label, it wouldnt be such a big deal here in the united states, they wouldnt write books on it, they wouldnt have tons of medication for it and so on.

Since: Jun 08

Columbus, GA

#4 Jun 5, 2008
Wow seems like the OP is exhibiting classic symptoms of BP. Delusions of granduer. BP IS real.
ttyger

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Sep 23, 2008
Come on You guys haven't you girls ever heard of a Period???? You get one each month. if you are having symptoms then Good follow JoeJ's advise this is only a symptom and you must treat the real problem. And regardless of what you lying doc tells you meds only mask symptoms they don't fix the problem behind them.
insignificant aussie

Australia

#6 Nov 3, 2008
I was as a child diagnosed with ADHD, and unlike so many lazy,'cop-out' parents, my mother refused to put me on drugs and maintained me on a strict diet. This combined with as JoeJ mentioned, the 'punching-bag' method managed to control most if not all of the symptoms of so called bipolar. It has since been my gut feeling (which has led me to this forum) that as he states: BIPOLAR and related 'illnesses' DO NOT EXIST.
Firstly in response to Josh's first question (if bad american food causes the "symptoms" of bipolar wouldnt there be a lot more Bipolar people as in most people in the US?) I have to say that more and more people are being diagnosed at an increasing rate. AND it seems most 'sufferers' are unaware of how many others there actually are. AND NOT JUST IN THE U.S.!!!!(I know you guys don't seem to notice the world outside, but we mimic your movements and are therefore in the same boat). It's almost as if 'sufferers' are deliberately segregated to help perpetuate this illusion. And now we are being told we are NOT abnormal as if to help us "accept" all this.
SECONDLY: What makes you think that because these pills are labeled however that they do not contain the lacking vitamins he mentioned? Have you ever tried the alternative?? Without the drugs?? What gives you so much faith in a doctors schooling? Educational institutions around the world have forever and a day taught propaganda in place of true knowledge and the U.S. if FAR from an exception.
Thirdly, he never said he 'cured a disease that does not exist'. A disease that does not exist (as you are obviously insinuating) cannot be cured. However it seemed clear enough to me that JoeJ simply stated that he had overcome symptoms of an external problem. Therefore you have only served to contradict you're own argument.
Ashley_marie:(If it was just a label, it wouldnt be such a big deal here in the united states, they wouldnt write books on it, they wouldnt have tons of medication for it and so on).--- With all due respect, should that even be dignified with an answer? C'mon, think about it $$$$$$$$$$
Most food is deliberately vitamin deficient to make vitamins commercially viable. This effects different people of different ethnicity's in different ways (due to evolution) This is why not 'everyone' exibits the same symptoms. Soon vitamins will become classed as a prescription drug by FDA and eventually banned as an unnecessary pharmaceutical. Then as they say...'we got u by the balls'. If you don't believe this I challenge you (for my sake too) to prove me wrong.
Lastly, I have to say that depression and anxiety is very real. It is a natural side effect of living in a 'rat-race' where the onus is entirely on us to cope. This naturally leads to anger and frustration. Isn't it better to release these feelings in a natural, healthy and non-destructive way (such as punching a bag) rather than suppressing emotions with drugs?
No offense anyone, just had to be said.

Since: Feb 09

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Feb 24, 2009
JoeJ- your so manic right now. Call a doctor and eat a sandwich. I don't mean to sound rude, at all, but I've been there. Don't mess up your life. You might lose a lot more than you bargained for.
Ron on the John

Gig Harbor, WA

#8 Apr 8, 2009
Yeah I know, people will cut their own arms off just to believe their fake realities sometimes.

To put it simply there are over 100 neurotransmitters.( http://www.answers.com/topic/neurotransmitter... )(Little unprofessional I know). We are all genetically different, the chances are we ALL have a chemical imbalance in our brains somewhere. Now Bipolar people have the misfortune of having not 1 not 2, but 6 imbalances (actually I just made that up). The point remains the same, they have them in some unfortunate areas that control mood and energy level. BAM I am going to make the arrogant presumption that 99% of "manic-depressive" incidents could probably be cured with right diet, exercise, and mindfulness. ALL THREE PLEASE. Now how can I be so sure of an assumption like this? Joe is right, our bodies are so complex we could not understand the depths of their brilliance in 1 trillion years. They will organize and process millions? at least 1000's of chemicals, vitamins, and minerals (poisons, bacteria, viruses). Humans evolved for 1-3 million years in Africa (look that up) from, which we adapted to a diet of mango like fruits(I guess), weird harsh vegetation, and meat so gamy that it would probably send ME into psychosis (I "had" bipolar at one point). Now with a body that is supposed to be built on that stuff, how do you think it will respond to a diet of Ice-cream, Trans-fats, artificial colorings, mercury, lead, hot-dogs, meth, etc... Good bet it's going to be like WHAT THE FUCK IS ALL THIS SHIT? God knows what our bodies do with it from there (sometimes I wish I did not have the brain to think about this). It would be like building a sky-scraper out of two-by-fours, good bet its going to fall the fuck over (have a manic episode).

I know a lot of people do not like to hear differing opinions, and that is ok. For what it is worth, there is the "Truth" and then there is Truth or reality. I would DIE to think that women dance in bathing suits in my lawn at half-time during super-bowl, but they do not. NFL might want you to think that they do and indeed alcohol probably makes you think that it is actually happening. Likewise Psychiatry wants to calm the lay-person's nerves by narrowing things down to a "diagnosis" (all of which are the result of stress). In all fairness though people without the means of caring for themselves to the extent I've described, medicine could be an adequate option.

Sorry if I offended anybody but, think about it.
Brandi Norris

Winnsboro, TX

#9 May 3, 2009
Sounds like you need to be back on your meds Joe J....you sound like you've got one of those classic Bipolar symptoms called "grandiosity". It must be nice to think you have the answer for everyone out there who has been diagnosed Bipolar, like myself...I'll be sure and follow those rules, then I'm damn sure I will be back on my meds soon after because guess what...YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKNG ABOUT!
Nizam

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10 May 7, 2009
JoeJ wrote:
I figured this topic would get a few people looking ready to start angrily responding.
My point in starting this thread is because I beat so-called Bipolar over a year ago. It was difficult and took me ten years to fully understand what I was dealing with. I read self-help books, saw doctors of all types, researched the internet, took medications and talked to family. I have been diagnosed and misdiagnosed many times over for numerous things. But, because of limited space on this board I will have to summarize.
My experiences and knowledge have taken to a place that many do not go. Its a place where very few doctors reside. Its unconventional. Its a place where mainstream thinking isn't allowed. Its called REALITY the way it was meant to be.
We must face the facts that psychiatrists are owned by drug companies and all the so-called disorders are nothing more than convenient labels to cover up symptoms. The key word here is SYMPTOMS. If we treat ourselves by our own symptoms, we solve our problems, going straight to the source. BIPOLAR does not exist. It is merely a symptom of one or more factors that originally exist outside our bodies. The foods we eat, lack of knowledge, stubborness to say the least. We foolishly listen to bad advice given on television just to make our lives seem more out of control. The majority of all food in America is bad for you and causes most of the symptoms of so-called Bipolar, ADHD and many others.
Follow a new rule:
We need very little food to survive.
The body is the most intelligent species in existence. It only knows what it needs, NOT WANTS. It needs very little. But, what it does need is the right nutrients and RESPECT. When you eat ice cream, hamburgers, and candy you are insulting the body. It works hard to figure out what to do with it and breaks down a little more each time. Our brains do not function well with too many calories.
My doctors wanted me on Lithium and claimed nothing else would work. They were stupid liars.
Another rule:
Dont listen to the FDA.
2000 Calories is way too much.
We dont need more than 1000 at the most every day. ANything more puts you at risk of side effects like moodiness, fatigue, anger and all those things affect behavior in the long run.
Eat small bites of a variety of foods every day and you will see your life change dramatically. For a more detailed guideline, follow a healthy Japanese diet. They live longer than Americans. Americans want money and lie for it. They could care less about YOU. Be smart and investigate information before believing it.
Another rule:
B6 B12 Zinc vitamins are hardly found in the American diet at levels needed by the brain. 90% of all "bipolar" symptoms are caused by this. Take a megavitamin with fair amounts of this "One Source for Men" and watch your symptoms disappear in a week. Ive been there.
Also hit a punch bag once a day if possible.
YOU DONT NEED DOCTORS OR PILLS.
Hi Joe,
I thought you made many interesting points. I too am looking into a megavitamin and mineral supplement. I think you are right about the B6,B12 and zinc fact not being in sufficient quantity in our diet. People need to be more open minded and be aware of what they are consuming in their diet and be informed of their drugs, and also what they are not getting too. An interesting site I found was:

http://www.myspace.com/psychtruth

Also a recent study came out that talks about EmpowerPlus, made by True Hope and how it has helped bipolar patients. It is made of vitamins,(B6, B12) minerals,(some like zinc) I am looking into it now.

One can also google "informed consent" and its components
Good luck to you, Joe.
To better overall health and wellness
yeah right

Elmer, NJ

#11 May 10, 2009
If Bipolar Disorder and ADHD DON'T EXIST, why are you recommending alternative treatment for them?! Itís like saying, "There's no such thing as demon possession, but holy water fixes it!"
alan

Radstock, UK

#12 Jun 19, 2009
I dont mean to sound in agreement to the origional post but chemical imbalance has never been proven, and we can not test for it that is a fact feel free to research and watch the wording "it is thought to be a chemical imbalance" its hypothetical not scientific.
alan

Radstock, UK

#13 Jun 19, 2009
I looked at a paper from the royal college of psychiatry research recently and a psychiatrist in Britain is researching the theory that the mind exists outside the body and the eyes only give physical location but that our concious is external. This is the guy dishing out the pills.
Cointet

Salisbury, UK

#14 Jun 21, 2009
I'm sorry Ashley Marie, but you are incredibly nieve when you say, "If it was just a label, it wouldnt be such a big deal here in the united states, they wouldnt write books on it, they wouldnt have tons of medication for it and so on." Go to You Tube and type in antidepressants, maybe then you will realise why they have tons of medication for this 'illness' that cannot be tested for and as neither can or have the drugs which they use to 'treat' this 'illness' with....these drugs ARE THE MOST PROFITABLE PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCT ON THE PLANET!!!!!! Have you ever thought about that???

Manic depression/bi-polar is another way of saying I am unhappy with my life - even if that life appears to 'have it all'-i.e family, money, kids etc. life is a bigger deal than just ticking the boxes of material posesssions......what is the meaning of life? Why am I here? Does God exist? Why aren't these questions that you are asking yourself when you fall into 'depression'.....come on wake up! People in the western world can be sooo spiritually blind, if they're not happy they think that's abnormal. We are here to work out why we are here, if you haven't worked that out and are taking antidepressants everyday instead then the demons have really tricked you, wake up!!! Life is not just a random co-incidence, evolution is not true, science has no way near figured out the mysteries of the universe....Look up people, to the skies and let your spirit consider some of the big questions.....like; How/who built the pyramids? What happened to the Mayans? Who was Jesus Christ...? Why have the Vatican got so many sacred scriptures in their vaults which they don't want people to discover...? Is it because we have incredible possibilities? We are not 'beasts of the field' but multi dimensional spiritual beings who are the most envied creation in this part of the universe and the battle is over stopping us discover that........Seriously, antidepressants are of the devil.......I know this because I have a mother who has been taking them for 20 yrs and our family has paid the price - they have made the original problem 100 times worse, you know why, because no matter how many antidepressants you take, your life will STILL BE THE SAME and the reason why you became depressed in the first place is because YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!! But you see that truth is a lot harder to swallow for many peope that simply taking a pill, that's easy......but it't not the solution, because those drugs should not be taken long term, just look at what the side effects are !!!!!!!

I pray that you will see the truth in what I'm saying.

God bless.
Cointet

Salisbury, UK

#15 Jun 21, 2009
"JoeJ- your so manic right now. Call a doctor and eat a sandwich. I don't mean to sound rude, at all, but I've been there. Don't mess up your life. You might lose a lot more than you bargained for."
Very stupid, you really must be, because if you believe some people are meant to take these drugs for the rest of their lives you have been SOLD my friend, to the devil's estate......WAKE UP!!!
justin

United States

#16 Jun 30, 2009
Josh wrote:
JoeJ,
Your statement "BIPOLAR does not exist. It is merely a symptom of one or more factors that originally exist outside our bodies." makes no logical sense. No factors outside my brain caused me to loose touch with reality when I was manic, or become suicidal afterwards for months. If bad American food causes the "symptoms" of bipolar wouldnt there be a lot more Bipolar people as in most people in the US. I am glad that you found the cure for bipolar disorder is B6 B12 Zinc vitamins, too bad all of us other people who take medicine that make living normal lives possible havent found this miracle cure. Im sure because you think you "beat bipolar" because you discovered that vitamins are the cause of it and by eating less and "hit a punch bag once a day if possible" that you one be cured, that you are much more qualified to help people live with this disorder than medical doctors who went through 8 years of post college graduate med-school and training to learn how to treat patients with this disorder.
By the way this is not an angry responce. I just thought it was funny that you have discovered the cure for a mental illness that you claim does not exist; vitamins, eating like japanese people and "hit a punch bag"-Im sure that would keep me stable and happy way better than pills that treat specific symptoms with the help of a doctor.
One question what other illnesses are you going to discover that do not exist, and figure out how to cure them for all of us hamburger eating, stubborn, ignorant, and knowledge lacking Americans? Because only you have found the cause and cure of Bipolar Disorder, not any doctors who are "stupid liars".
blah,blah,blah 8 years of med school,hahahha.Dosent nessisarily mean your qualifieed to be a doc. My cousin is a doctor an writes people scripts for drug companies that his friends work for.He gets money from them.Money makes people lie and do awful things buddie.Just because I attended & years of med school one year away from my degree dosent mean i wont do the same!
healthfanatic

Canada

#17 Jun 30, 2009
It is funny how no one commented on the fact that Joe seems to think that people need to eat only 1000 calories a day. If i ate that little i would wither away to nothing. Your body needs fuel just the right kind. And by the way i am bp and i eat healthy, take a lot of vitamins, and work out even when i am so depressed i want to die. It doesn't make much of a difference, i just have to let the rollercoaster take it's natural course.
Mary

Blackburn, Australia

#18 Jul 6, 2009
So JoJ I bet you've never experienced the euphoric rush that goes through your body and mind which is part of the Mania.
I'm sorry but no lack of food or lack of vitamins brings on those episodes and instantly altering your mood to an extreme high.

Plus Joe are you currently in a normal state. Some BP's can go years between episodes. If you thnk you've found the way out great... but i also trust you'll be ready when an episode comes back into your life. never take BP for granted even when we are well, the slightest trigger can set us off.
JoC

Braddock Heights, MD

#19 Jul 6, 2009
Typical manic rant of a bi-polar. Gave me a chuckle, actually. Joe is so like the two bipolar people I know so well in this post, going off on some diatribe at 90 miles an hour, making no sense at all. The bipolar people I know/have come across all tend to think there's nothing wrong with them and the disease is invented by the conglomerate of evil doctors/drug pushers, along with a bunch of other kook theories. I think Joe has demonstrated very nicely the actual existence of bipolar, just by being so bipolar!
Lisa

Tuckerton, NJ

#20 Jul 9, 2009
JoeJ is right. Any psychiatric disease as listed in the DSM manual is simply a name given to a group of symptoms to define them. This book has more than quadrupaled in recent years, which means many more groups of symptoms have been defined. But there are no physical tests to prove these to be true. No blood tests, no biopsies possible. You would have to do the tests on the brain, which cannot be done while a person is living and after they are dead and electrical function of the brain ceases to exist, so you can't run tests on it.

So how and why are there so many psychiatric diseases? How: Groups of people (pyschiatric community) meet to discuss what they observe in people they "treat". If they are so inclined, they will determine that any group of symptoms that they find in common can then have a name associated with it and it will be deemed a "disease" and put in the book. Why: You need a reason to disperse drugs. Drugs generate income. Hence, a disease validates a drugs existence.

While you can't say no one has a mental disorder that needs medication (because that's obviously not true), you equally can't say that everyone has a mental disorder that needs medication (which is the direction we are headed). People pervert and distort virtually every single thing we get our hands on and this is no different.

People can be very easily conditioned. We can be conditioned to believe that groupings of symptoms represent something when in fact they don't. We can be conditioned to believe that something is more of a problem than it is and less of a problem than it is.

Psychiatrists are not obligated to produce any physical evidence of their findings or successes in their treatments. They have what is called "studies". Studies are simply watching what goes in a group of people and reporting on it. Anyone of us could go to the mall, people watch for a couple of hours and do the same thing.

Much of the information on the medications and their effects is withheld from the public due to it's adverse effects.

You can't completely deny the validity of mental illness, as it is so clear that some are in fact very sick. However, before the average Joe (no pun intended) takes the word of a doctor based on one or a couple of brief converstations and then introduces a foreign substance in their body to alter their brain chemistry, perhaps it would behoove them to consider the possibility of self-inflicted lifestyle choices which may be the culprit. Sometimes a change in diet, exercise and the implementation of some natural vitamins and supplements indeed will make all the difference in the world.

Just consider it for yourself, that's all.

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