Early Indicators of Autism Spectrum Disorders

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It is well established that early identification and intervention are critical determinants in the course and outcome of autism spectrum disorders .

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“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#155 Jan 16, 2013
friend wrote:
Wouldn't you know it, a study just comes out to go against those anti vaxxers conspiracy:
25 new gene variants linked to autism
http://www.topix.com/health/autism/2013/01/25...

Note, there also was a control group. So if you're looking for a perpetrator, look no farther than your genes.
Pelics...

Since: Jan 07

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#156 Jan 16, 2013
Vaccine schedule for American children is safe, Institute of Medicine declares
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci...
hmm

San Antonio, TX

#157 Jan 16, 2013
Ok, I have a question. If children who are vaccinated get the same vaccines, in the same dosage, all at around the same age (most drs office use the CDC's recommend vaccine schedule) why are more boys autistic than girls and why are there varying degrees of severity in each child on the spectrum? Why are some children affected so severely that they cannot function independently in every day life and others only have slight difficulty maintaining social relationships?

Since: Jan 07

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#158 Jan 16, 2013
I brought this up on page 3, post 51. "Chemicals and or vaccines do not explain why boys are nearly 5 times more likely than girls to have autism. Poisons effects all equally when exposed to equal amounts, other than weight and age difference."

Of course no anti vaxxers had an explanation. All they had was posts of inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#159 Jan 16, 2013
hmm wrote:
Ok, I have a question. If children who are vaccinated get the same vaccines, in the same dosage, all at around the same age (most drs office use the CDC's recommend vaccine schedule) why are more boys autistic than girls and why are there varying degrees of severity in each child on the spectrum? Why are some children affected so severely that they cannot function independently in every day life and others only have slight difficulty maintaining social relationships?
You're gonna confuse 'em with that logic stuff...;D

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#160 Jan 16, 2013
friend wrote:
I brought this up on page 3, post 51. "Chemicals and or vaccines do not explain why boys are nearly 5 times more likely than girls to have autism. Poisons effects all equally when exposed to equal amounts, other than weight and age difference."

Of course no anti vaxxers had an explanation. All they had was posts of inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Well said :)
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#161 Jan 16, 2013
Vaccine Damage wrote:
<quoted text> And I guess the criminal negligence that vaccines are should be tolerated because someone's feeling might be hurt? You're the one with bad taste, poor judgement and a sociopathic opinion.
I know where you are heading with this. Are you hoping for some incriminating Thalidomide type mechanism that will lead to massive payouts or lawsuites agianst the vaccine companies for negligence? It's not going to happen...
Two reasons. The first relates to the body of evidence that autism is genetic and the genes are passed down. Now of course the anti-vax lobby would argue that babies with the genetic predisposition who are immunised get autism. This of course is also dissproven. How? Lets look at the second reason.
There are cases of hundreds of identical twins studied by Folstein and Rutter (google their names if you wish) where in 40% of cases where twin is autistic the second twin "does not" develop autism even after both are immunised. We know identical twins are genetically identical. The implications are staggering in relation to environmental factors...to me if they understand why one twin does not develop autism then they will likely crack the critical environmental factor that leads to autism. But lets go back to the vaccine issue.
While Folstein and Rutter were not looking at vaccination per say, a cursory glance at the medical history of the children indicate nearly all of them were vaccinated. Therefore if both twins were vacccinated and both are genetically identical then in theory both should develop autism. But in 40% of cases they do not!! simple logic dictates that vaccines could not be the trigger.
When you combine this information with the well known data that non-vaccinated kids develop autism
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/45...
then the evidence is overwhelming that vaccines are a red herring.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#162 Jan 16, 2013
hmm wrote:
Ok, I have a question. If children who are vaccinated get the same vaccines, in the same dosage, all at around the same age (most drs office use the CDC's recommend vaccine schedule) why are more boys autistic than girls and why are there varying degrees of severity in each child on the spectrum? Why are some children affected so severely that they cannot function independently in every day life and others only have slight difficulty maintaining social relationships?
All excellent questions. The anti-Vaxx lobby will claim the impact of the vaccine will vary with each child. Secondly they claim the difference in males is because most females go undiagnosed due to their superior social skills i.e. female brain. Here again the anti-Vaxxers lose because on the most severe end of the ASD spectrum girls outnumber boys, even if across the spectrum boys outnumber girls.
hmm

San Antonio, TX

#169 Jan 17, 2013
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>All excellent questions. The anti-Vaxx lobby will claim the impact of the vaccine will vary with each child. Secondly they claim the difference in males is because most females go undiagnosed due to their superior social skills i.e. female brain. Here again the anti-Vaxxers lose because on the most severe end of the ASD spectrum girls outnumber boys, even if across the spectrum boys outnumber girls.
Yes, they probably would say that, but if vaccines are "toxic" and "poison" children then since most children weigh about the same and get certain vaccines at a specific ages shouldn't they all be affected equally AND even if it was said "well, some kids might be better able to tolerate the toxins" there is still a question of why is the onset of autism different in everyone? Some get it before 12 months others start regressing at maybe age 2 or 3. Also which vaccine specifically causes Autism? Or which combination of vaccines?? Because if it was ANY or ALL vaccines then, as someone argued before boys and girls would be affected equally or there would be MORE cases of ASD because of the number of children who get vaccinated is so much higher than the number of children with ASD

Since: Jan 13

Faisalabad, Pakistan

#170 Jan 17, 2013
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Since: Jan 07

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#171 Jan 17, 2013
Vaccines being the cause have gone through different theories over the years. On any given day, it's hard to know which theory an anti vaxxer will present, but it is predictable to be one of their unprovem theories.
First it was specifically the MMR which caused autism, and this theory is the one most clung to. Then that was debunked. The theory went to thimerosal. Then that was debunked by quite a few studies. It then must be too many vaccines, but the same questions would apply as to the why's. The newest is theory and most used other than it being too many vaccines and the MMR, is the contents being formaldehyde and aluminum. The flaw with that theory is your own body naturally creates more formaldehyde daily than what's is in any vaccines given; and aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for longer than thimerosal was. If it was either of those, the rates would had risen far sooner.
Anti vaxxer will only go so far as theories, they wont tell you the mechanism(s) to their theories other than for the MMR, which we already know was a scam.
Of any of those unfounded-no evidence theories, all of the questions above aren't explained by it, or why autism happens with no vaccines at all. It doesn't explain the severity level, although anti vaxxers who support McCarthy will say it was chelation and bio meds which is the difference, and they rarely will include asperger's into their vaccine theories.

There are studies out there trying to detect autism at about 6 months with some success. It's difficult to see signs at birth or early ages since infants cant physically display the signs. Generally the first time parents notice anything is at an older age, like 12 months and on, when babies can be marked by developmental stages. Most parents deny there is anything wrong with theie child as well, so onset via parental report is not reliable. Also one of the core signs of autism is social skills so the claim about girls would be incorrect and impossible in order for that child to be accurately diagnosed with autism.
janigustafsson

Finland

#172 Jan 17, 2013
They use them as test dummies...

http://www.icecoldfinland.com
Vaccine Damage

Winnipeg, Canada

#173 Jan 17, 2013
friend wrote:
Vaccines being the cause have gone through different theories over the years. On any given day, it's hard to know which theory an anti vaxxer will present, but it is predictable to be one of their unprovem theories.
First it was specifically the MMR which caused autism, and this theory is the one most clung to. Then that was debunked. The theory went to thimerosal. Then that was debunked by quite a few studies. It then must be too many vaccines, but the same questions would apply as to the why's. The newest is theory and most used other than it being too many vaccines and the MMR, is the contents being formaldehyde and aluminum. The flaw with that theory is your own body naturally creates more formaldehyde daily than what's is in any vaccines given; and aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for longer than thimerosal was. If it was either of those, the rates would had risen far sooner.
Anti vaxxer will only go so far as theories, they wont tell you the mechanism(s) to their theories other than for the MMR, which we already know was a scam.
Of any of those unfounded-no evidence theories, all of the questions above aren't explained by it, or why autism happens with no vaccines at all. It doesn't explain the severity level, although anti vaxxers who support McCarthy will say it was chelation and bio meds which is the difference, and they rarely will include asperger's into their vaccine theories.
There are studies out there trying to detect autism at about 6 months with some success. It's difficult to see signs at birth or early ages since infants cant physically display the signs. Generally the first time parents notice anything is at an older age, like 12 months and on, when babies can be marked by developmental stages. Most parents deny there is anything wrong with theie child as well, so onset via parental report is not reliable. Also one of the core signs of autism is social skills so the claim about girls would be incorrect and impossible in order for that child to be accurately diagnosed with autism.
And we should just go with your OPINIONS and whatever you spew off the top of your head? So no links to studies about 6 month olds? Seems that would support what you say, but you ALWAYS refuse.
Vaccine Damage

Winnipeg, Canada

#174 Jan 17, 2013
janigustafsson wrote:
They use them as test dummies...
http://www.icecoldfinland.com
This is a spam link don't click on it.
Vaccine Damage

Winnipeg, Canada

#175 Jan 17, 2013
hmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, they probably would say that, but if vaccines are "toxic" and "poison" children then since most children weigh about the same and get certain vaccines at a specific ages shouldn't they all be affected equally AND even if it was said "well, some kids might be better able to tolerate the toxins" there is still a question of why is the onset of autism different in everyone? Some get it before 12 months others start regressing at maybe age 2 or 3. Also which vaccine specifically causes Autism? Or which combination of vaccines?? Because if it was ANY or ALL vaccines then, as someone argued before boys and girls would be affected equally or there would be MORE cases of ASD because of the number of children who get vaccinated is so much higher than the number of children with ASD
Its hard to know what you are asking. Regressive autism began in the 1990's. Its worldwide. Its impossible for a world wide event to have different causes. Its identical worldwide. There is only one possible common denominator, vaccines. Ask every parent with an autistic child if they were vaccinated. For decades parents have claimed after a series of vaccine their child was never the same, and they regressed. Asking why more boys than girls can't be answered except it could be biological or genetic injury. Vaccinated children have more illness and disease than unvaccinated. Why it happens young is likely because of interference of babies rapidly developing bodies. Children who aren't injured are fortunate, but vaccine injury includes more than autism. Seizures, death and anorexia are also vaccine side effects.

Since: Jan 07

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#176 Jan 17, 2013
And we should just go with your OPINIONS and whatever you spew off the top of your head? So no links to peer reviewed studies?

Oh, and let me show you how the rest of us look info up
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7jOcV...
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#177 Jan 17, 2013
friend wrote:
And we should just go with your OPINIONS and whatever you spew off the top of your head? So no links to peer reviewed studies?
Oh, and let me show you how the rest of us look info up
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7jOcV...
Dodn't read them did you? There are doubts about the validity of this hypothesis. Buh Wah Ha Ha what a hoot!

Since: Jan 07

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#178 Jan 17, 2013
Vaccine schedule for American children is safe, Institute of Medicine declares
http://www.topix.com/health/autism/2013/01/va...

By the way, loss of appetite is not anorexia. Nice try at misinfo. No vaccine insert lists anorexia as a side effect.

And the did another one in 2011
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/autism/T7ES...
Vaccine Damage wrote:
<quoted text> Its hard to know what you are asking. Regressive autism began in the 1990's. Its worldwide. Its impossible for a world wide event to have different causes. Its identical worldwide. There is only one possible common denominator, vaccines. Ask every parent with an autistic child if they were vaccinated. For decades parents have claimed after a series of vaccine their child was never the same, and they regressed. Asking why more boys than girls can't be answered except it could be biological or genetic injury. Vaccinated children have more illness and disease than unvaccinated. Why it happens young is likely because of interference of babies rapidly developing bodies. Children who aren't injured are fortunate, but vaccine injury includes more than autism. Seizures, death and anorexia are also vaccine side effects.

Since: Jan 07

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#179 Jan 17, 2013
You didn't read them
"The study followed 92 infants from six months old until they were 2. All were high risk because their siblings had autism. Twenty-eight of them were eventually diagnosed with the disorder"
"During infancy, it's a time when an infant is organizing their brain, the wiring is rapidly developing," said Dr. Joseph Piven, who led the study. "We were able to detect changes in that wiring or differences in the wiring by six months of age in those children who went on to develop autism."
Is not a hypothesis. They actually detected it. "Buh Wah Ha Ha what a hoot!" on you for denial.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#183 Jan 18, 2013
friend wrote:
You didn't read them
"The study followed 92 infants from six months old until they were 2. All were high risk because their siblings had autism. Twenty-eight of them were eventually diagnosed with the disorder"
"During infancy, it's a time when an infant is organizing their brain, the wiring is rapidly developing," said Dr. Joseph Piven, who led the study. "We were able to detect changes in that wiring or differences in the wiring by six months of age in those children who went on to develop autism."
Is not a hypothesis. They actually detected it. "Buh Wah Ha Ha what a hoot!" on you for denial.
They purposely don't mention the vaccines they received, so they can make this bogus claim. Only a bo-zo would believe this junk science.

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