Early Indicators of Autism Spectrum Disorders

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It is well established that early identification and intervention are critical determinants in the course and outcome of autism spectrum disorders .

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#256 Jan 26, 2013
I don't put much stock in IQ's. They're deceptive for those with disabilities and learning differences. My son is a visual learning, and IQ tests don't account for those types of learners. Tests are standardize, which has always been a huge flaw for those with disabilities and doesn't give an accurate measure of the intelligence of the disabled person. I think all children regardless of IQ level have the ability to progress, in all area's including stims. But I also think some will always need stims, it is their form of coping. The problem more is society doesn't accept stims, even though typical people have stims as well. They just call them 'bad habits'.

My son tests border line on the IQ. It means very little and I doubt it will determine his future, since it hasn't so far. No one should think that IQ tests would determine futures.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#257 Jan 27, 2013
friend wrote:
I don't put much stock in IQ's. They're deceptive for those with disabilities and learning differences. My son is a visual learning, and IQ tests don't account for those types of learners. Tests are standardize, which has always been a huge flaw for those with disabilities and doesn't give an accurate measure of the intelligence of the disabled person.
Excellent points and I agree 100%. Current psychology (Baron-Cohen and Attwood) puts a lot of stock in IQ to predict successful outcomes for autistic kids. As you correctly point out the IQ test (based on the Binet intelligence test) was standardised on nuerotypical individuals, all it really tests is the level of overlap in information processing with nuerotypicals. I have read congitive capacity of even the lowest functioning autistic individuals is underestimated badly due to the nature of competency testing. Yes almost all autistic kids are visual learners. An amazing number of non-verbal kids learn to type on a computer and as adults communicate online. Many of these have savant like skills in relation to their memory and ability to draw or play music.
frienduh

Winnipeg, Canada

#258 Jan 27, 2013
friend wrote:
I don't put much stock in IQ's. They're deceptive for those with disabilities and learning differences. My son is a visual learning, and IQ tests don't account for those types of learners. Tests are standardize, which has always been a huge flaw for those with disabilities and doesn't give an accurate measure of the intelligence of the disabled person. I think all children regardless of IQ level have the ability to progress, in all area's including stims. But I also think some will always need stims, it is their form of coping. The problem more is society doesn't accept stims, even though typical people have stims as well. They just call them 'bad habits'.
My son tests border line on the IQ. It means very little and I doubt it will determine his future, since it hasn't so far. No one should think that IQ tests would determine futures.
Like mother, like son
frienduh

Winnipeg, Canada

#259 Jan 27, 2013
Elias wrote:
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Excellent points and I agree 100%. Current psychology (Baron-Cohen and Attwood) puts a lot of stock in IQ to predict successful outcomes for autistic kids. As you correctly point out the IQ test (based on the Binet intelligence test) was standardised on nuerotypical individuals, all it really tests is the level of overlap in information processing with nuerotypicals. I have read congitive capacity of even the lowest functioning autistic individuals is underestimated badly due to the nature of competency testing. Yes almost all autistic kids are visual learners. An amazing number of non-verbal kids learn to type on a computer and as adults communicate online. Many of these have savant like skills in relation to their memory and ability to draw or play music.
And this has what to do with early indicators of autism?
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#260 Jan 28, 2013
frienduh wrote:
<quoted text> And this has what to do with early indicators of autism?
It's closer to the thread and more relevant to posters interests than speculating over vaccines.
Bizarre

Australia

#261 Jan 28, 2013
Elias wrote:
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Excellent points and I agree 100%. Current psychology (Baron-Cohen and Attwood) puts a lot of stock in IQ to predict successful outcomes for autistic kids. As you correctly point out the IQ test (based on the Binet intelligence test) was standardised on nuerotypical individuals, all it really tests is the level of overlap in information processing with nuerotypicals. I have read congitive capacity of even the lowest functioning autistic individuals is underestimated badly due to the nature of competency testing. Yes almost all autistic kids are visual learners. An amazing number of non-verbal kids learn to type on a computer and as adults communicate online. Many of these have savant like skills in relation to their memory and ability to draw or play music.
At what age do u think babies are able to recognise their parents face? I believe that babies are able to recognise the mum on first initial contact (touch)- then visual - then sound recognition - notice the order & that it all involves the human senses? I believe that is how the infants brain is able to recognise ques from mum or dad & store memory via those senses. I think theres more to the mind than what professionals have discovered so far.

Idk....

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#262 Jan 28, 2013
I know my son uses his senses differently than most. An example would be he used his sense of smell to tell if something was hot or cold.
I agree professionals haven't discovered everything related to the mind and how people use their sense. One cant always rely on the typical way children develope, or that the way a child with autism recognizes things per their manner would be wrong or even immeasurable.
Bizarre

Australia

#263 Jan 28, 2013
friend wrote:
I know my son uses his senses differently than most. An example would be he used his sense of smell to tell if something was hot or cold.
I agree professionals haven't discovered everything related to the mind and how people use their sense. One cant always rely on the typical way children develope, or that the way a child with autism recognizes things per their manner would be wrong or even immeasurable.
Exactly. And this is how I believe people are able to cope or survive during infancy & child development via their senses & own instincts..

Im amazed at blind & deaf peoples coping mechanisms & how they are able to use their other senses to be able to communicate & learn things like a person with sight or hearing is able to do with all of them.

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#264 Jan 28, 2013
It goes right along with that IQ intelligence issue. I am sure they don't give those standardized tests to the deaf and blind. They would surely score poorly. But there is no other test adapted to give those who have autism.

I totally disagree that an IQ number predicts futures of those with autism, or their ability to learn life-skills.
Bizarre

Australia

#265 Jan 28, 2013
This would be the case. That is true.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#269 Jan 28, 2013
friend wrote:
I totally disagree that an IQ number predicts futures of those with autism, or their ability to learn life-skills.
I think we need to distinguish two aspect to IQ as a predictor.

IQ does not predict intelligence. Autistic People who get low scores on their IQ tests are still visual thinkers and quite capable of visuo-spatial mind mapping which means they have the capacity to learn language, art, music and math in theoir own way and not through conventional nuerotypical information processing of visual and abstract data.

However, IQ has been shown to predict outcomes for people with autism in terms of learning social skills, coping with sensory issues and language/communication.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#270 Jan 28, 2013
Bizarre wrote:
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At what age do u think babies are able to recognise their parents face? I believe that babies are able to recognise the mum on first initial contact (touch)- then visual - then sound recognition - notice the order & that it all involves the human senses? I believe that is how the infants brain is able to recognise ques from mum or dad & store memory via those senses. I think theres more to the mind than what professionals have discovered so far.
Idk....
The brain can certainly compensate for changes to nueral networks either during unusual birth/foetal development or acquired bain injury. Classic examples are people who have lost the use of temporal lobes or parietal lobes and acquire the use of functionality again because the brain is able to re-orientate it's hemispheres. Infact given our brains are supposed to be set by 30 it's interesting nueral networks can still be re-set in even older people.
Bizarre

Australia

#272 Jan 28, 2013
Elias wrote:
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The brain can certainly compensate for changes to nueral networks either during unusual birth/foetal development or acquired bain injury. Classic examples are people who have lost the use of temporal lobes or parietal lobes and acquire the use of functionality again because the brain is able to re-orientate it's hemispheres. Infact given our brains are supposed to be set by 30 it's interesting nueral networks can still be re-set in even older people.
Great hope for those who believe the mind is incapable of doing miraculous things after an injury to the brain. They would appreciate the recovery process too. Helpful information.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#273 Jan 29, 2013
Bizarre wrote:
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Great hope for those who believe the mind is incapable of doing miraculous things after an injury to the brain. They would appreciate the recovery process too. Helpful information.
There are currently two theories to explain autism
1 - brain nueral networks are not pruned during foetal development so autistic people have too many nuerons (normal people lose a % of their foetal nuerons so only essential networks are left). Therefore autistic people have too many nuerons which intefere with development (but may also ironically provide gifted skills)

2 - babies acquire clostridia infection which cause production of propionic acid when the babies switch from milk to carbohydrates (bread etc). Propionic acid is known to cause autism like features in lab mice. Children with autism have unusually high levels of clostridia.

Perhaps there is a combination of 1 and 2??

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#274 Jan 29, 2013
IQ actually stands for intelligence quotient. It doesn't predict intelligence, it measures it.
It doesn't matter if those with autism are visual learners other than the fact there is no test yet other than the IQ test to measure cogntive ability which are given.
Just as the blind and deaf, given adapted materiel, a child with autism can also learn but a 'gifted' person with autism is called a savant, and the majority with autism are not savants.

Most with autism are going to score low on the IQ testing. Baron-Cohen and Attwood did a lot of work concerning aspergers, of which those with aspergers don't have lower IQ's. And it's more or less their theory. In practice use, those who have autism can learn social skills, coping with sensory issues and language/communication. Like any other disability, those with autism can and often do learn to compensate. Again, low IQ doesn't not have to predict the futures of those wuth autism or their capabilities or potential.

The 2 theories you offered are but 2 of many theories out there.
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>
I think we need to distinguish two aspect to IQ as a predictor.
IQ does not predict intelligence. Autistic People who get low scores on their IQ tests are still visual thinkers and quite capable of visuo-spatial mind mapping which means they have the capacity to learn language, art, music and math in theoir own way and not through conventional nuerotypical information processing of visual and abstract data.
However, IQ has been shown to predict outcomes for people with autism in terms of learning social skills, coping with sensory issues and language/communication.
Bizarre

Australia

#275 Jan 29, 2013
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>
There are currently two theories to explain autism
1 - brain nueral networks are not pruned during foetal development so autistic people have too many nuerons (normal people lose a % of their foetal nuerons so only essential networks are left). Therefore autistic people have too many nuerons which intefere with development (but may also ironically provide gifted skills)
2 - babies acquire clostridia infection which cause production of propionic acid when the babies switch from milk to carbohydrates (bread etc). Propionic acid is known to cause autism like features in lab mice. Children with autism have unusually high levels of clostridia.
Perhaps there is a combination of 1 and 2??
Lets hypothetically go with number 2 for now...

Are you referring to bottled baby milk? If so do you believe it maybe an adverse reaction towards the milk perhaps? Since clostridia is found in gut (digestion)- which produces proprionic acid..a dietary problem which causes adverse reaction?
And then maybe number 1... happens at a later stage after the intake of milk?

Can there be a 3rd possibility the mums intake of diary products? So my guess can make more sense lol....hopefully.

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#276 Jan 29, 2013
Clostridia is the same as Clostridium. It's main and research pertaining to mice and autism was done by Dr. Sidney Finegold.
Here's a link which looks at these theories
http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/...
Bizarre

Australia

#277 Jan 29, 2013
Also docs say smoking is bad for the mother to do during pregnancy..so I thought maybe the same applies to dietary during pregnancy & the first couple of months after birth. For eg...Look at food allergies in children theres an increase over the years.
Bizarre

Australia

#278 Jan 29, 2013
friend wrote:
Clostridia is the same as Clostridium. It's main and research pertaining to mice and autism was done by Dr. Sidney Finegold.
Here's a link which looks at these theories
http://questioning-answers.blogspot.com/2012/...
Ok.

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#279 Jan 29, 2013
There's actually 25 theories; Propionic acid is very under- studied and not well thought of as main cause and there are tests for Clostridium.

As for the neurons, based on a study of which they sliced up brain tissue from six autistic children and seven typical children who had passed away, it's thought by some that genetic systems controlling the growth of new neurons go haywire, and brain cells divide much more frequently than usual, accounting for the excess neurons found in the PFC of autistic children. The extra neurons in the autistic brain grow physically larger and form more connections than in a typical child's brain. This theory is those with autism have larger heads than typical kids.

There's also studies out there that show 15 percent of autistic children have smaller than usual heads, a condition known as microcephaly.

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