Cases of measles soar as parents boycott MMR jab

Jun 24, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Express

BRITAIN is in the grip of a measles crisis after cases of the illness in the first five months of this year have already overtaken the total for the whole of 2010.

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Who's fault is it that parent's don't trust vaccines? No Not Wakefield idiot. This has been going on for a long time. Vaccines do cause injury that's why. So producer's are at fault. Can you expect a loving parent to risk vaccine damage?
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The Winnipeg dummy conceniently forgets that many studies have been conducted to find out if a link between vaccines and ASD exists, and they all show clear results indicating that there is no such link. Here are links to just a few of these studies:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-03/health/mea...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR...
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...

http://adc.bmj.com/content/93/10/832

http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Documents/Lack_o...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa02...

Of course the Winnipeg dummy is going to declare that all these studies are “junk science”, without giving any scientific justification for reaching such a conclusion.
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The back room labs of the pharmaceutical Industry needs to be checked out for development of the measles crisis
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The Winnipeg dummy conceniently forgets that many studies have been conducted to find out if a link between vaccines and ASD exists, and they all show clear results indicating that there is no such link. Here are links to just a few of these studies:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-03/health/mea...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR...
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...
http://adc.bmj.com/content/93/10/832
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Documents/Lack_o...
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa02...
Of course the Winnipeg dummy is going to declare that all these studies are “junk science”, without giving any scientific justification for reaching such a conclusion.
You are English dummy. What are you doing on this forum, go tend to your prince...hahhaah. Ask Kate if he is going to vaccinate her kid. I bet you not.
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The back room labs of the pharmaceutical Industry needs to be checked out for development of the measles crisis
Here's the deal. Vaccine makers are allowed to market faulty, fraudulent product based on faulty, fraudulent and dangerous science. It establishes a precedent that poorly thought out vaccines, poor safety studies, and lack of responsibility and lack of remorse is the standard. Then when word spreads through means other than government, pharma and corporate controlled media, we have parents afraid to vaccinate. But who gets blame, the parents, while children are maimed , killed and made severely ill by these for profit mainly products. But you won't see criticism of the criminals, only the victims.
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The Winnipeg dummy conceniently forgets that many studies have been conducted to find out if a link between vaccines and ASD exists, and they all show clear results indicating that there is no such link. Here are links to just a few of these studies:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19952979
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-03/health/mea...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR...
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...
http://adc.bmj.com/content/93/10/832
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Documents/Lack_o...
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa02...
Of course the Winnipeg dummy is going to declare that all these studies are “junk science”, without giving any scientific justification for reaching such a conclusion.
What garbage. 1)38 children no age listed for any. From pro-pharma CNN likely owned in part by a phama company.
2)PDF poor quality can't read it. 3)CDC and journal of Pediatrics Obvious bias. 5) a study about children with GI and autism vs GI and no autism. Pointless. Quote "ASDs comprise wide range of endophenotypes that may represent different routes to pathogenesis"
That sums it up nicely. I particularly enjoyed the list of references which gave credit to WAKEFIELD, MURCH and JOHN-WALKER-SMITH,the 3 accused of fraud for a study lie this one. Whata buffoon U R ri99. 6) a study of 10-12 year olds. Hardy an age group most likely to STILL have MMR measle virus in their gut after years of recovery and growth of their immune status. Trash.
7) another PDF of poor quality. 8)Denmark Study that's been TRASHED and labelled negativey in many ways including CDC involvement $$$$ and suspicious methodlogy (ie: FRAUD)
5 was the only one worth reading. So these are your BEST? BUH WAH HA HA!!

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1) Ages were included
STUDY POPULATION: The 96 cases with childhood or atypical autism, aged 2 to 15, were included into the study group. Controls consisted of 192 children individually matched to cases by year of birth, sex, and general practitioners. Study was done in Poland
2) Wasn't even a PDF, it was an article. They analyzed samples taken from 38 children with bowel disorders, 25 of whom also had autism. The investigators found only one child in each group had trace amounts of the measles virus in their samples.
3) References 4 studies
4) Winnipeg totally skipped 4. It includes 25 studies that refute a connection between MMR vaccine and the development of autism.
5) Yes, there was children with autism. The sample was an age-matched group of US children undergoing clinically-indicated ileocolonoscopy. Ileal and cecal tissues from 25 children with autism and GI disturbances and 13 children with GI disturbances alone (controls) were evaluated by real-time reverse transcription (RT)-PCR for presence of MV RNA in three laboratories blinded to diagnosis, including one wherein the original findings suggesting a link between MV and ASD were reported. I also enjoyed the reference to Wakefield, since the study clearly showed Wakefield was wrong.
6) Results: No difference was found between cases and controls for measles antibody response. Wakefield ages of the 12 were also between the ages of this study.
7) A PDF, which can be enlarged to read! The 96 cases with childhood or atypical autism, aged 2 to 15, were included into the study group. Controls consisted of 192 children individually matched to cases by year of birth, sex, and general practitioners. Our results argue against the Wakefield et al hypothesis, which suggested that developmental symptoms in children with autism may be triggered by the presence of the measles virus in the
bowels of children vaccinated with MMR.
8) The Denmark study has never been discredited, and as of today, nothing has become of Poul Thorsen who was accused of misusing the funding which would have nothing to do at all with the findings of the study. The only study to date which has been discredited is Wakefield's.

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Hypothetically?? Wakefield's study was hypothetical, and a great example, directly from his study "We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue." Wakefield had to be the one who typed up the study, and that original study still can be found to see that Wakefield actually included that tid bit. You should be so proud of the former doctor, now a has been no body.

Of all the studies listed, I failed to any that only included a teeny tiny 12 children. You clearly have no concept of how studies work. And as predicted, you declare that all these studies are “junk science”, without giving any scientific justification for reaching such a conclusion, and reasons like poor quality that you couldn't read doesn't cut it, or claiming no children with autism were included when they actually were.
No one needs to explain to you the connection, that would be a waste of time. You're the one claiming there is a connection. You prove it.
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The conclusions from the studies I supplied links to are NOT "hypothetical". Like all valid scientific studies, the conclusions are drawn from the results obtained from the analysis of the data. Only a moron like the Winnipeg dummy wouldn't understand that. Did he even study basic science at school. If he did, he was obviously too dim to understand it.
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The age of vaccination is coming to end. As people reaize the fradudent Pharma sells unsafe product sending kids to all of autism. Followed and led by bought psychiatrists selling bad gene propaganda.

Be safe people stay away from vaccines. Read about the side effects and stay safe
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The conclusions from the studies I supplied links to are NOT "hypothetical". Like all valid scientific studies, the conclusions are drawn from the results obtained from the analysis of the data. Only a moron like the Winnipeg dummy wouldn't understand that. Did he even study basic science at school. If he did, he was obviously too dim to understand it.
Send your studies to your queen, try to convince her, we have enough dummies here, we dont want any more
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Congratulations, the Winnipeg dummy managed to read the first paragraph in the study, i.e. the Abstract/background, which stated:-

“Subsequent investigations found no associations between MV exposure and ASD but did not test for the presence of MV RNA in bowel or focus on children with ASD and GI disturbances. Failure to replicate the original study design may contribute to continued public concern with respect to the safety of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.”

The Winnipeg dummy finds the word ‘may’, so he dismisses the study as “junk science”, without even considering the context in which the word is used, i.e. to point out that other studies which found no relationship between MMR vaccine and ASD did not include GI aspects in their studies, so they ‘MAY’ not convince the public that MMR is not the cause of GI conditions sometimes associated with ASD.

This study DID include GI aspects, and reported:-

“The work reported here eliminates the remaining support for the hypothesis that ASD with GI complaints is related to MMR exposure. We found no relationship between the timing of MMR and the onset of either GI complaints or autism.”

There are no words such as ‘may’,‘could’, or ‘seem’ here. The conclusion, based on the results of the data analysis, is definite.

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The conclusions from the studies I supplied links to are NOT "hypothetical". Like all valid scientific studies, the conclusions are drawn from the results obtained from the analysis of the data. Only a moron like the Winnipeg dummy wouldn't understand that. Did he even study basic science at school. If he did, he was obviously too dim to understand it.
The reaction is predictable. It wouldn't matter, anti vaxxers never discuss any study rationally or are they never civil. Almost every topic anti vaxxers comment on, posts are deleted because they think attacking others makes them a BIG person and will side track the evidence. They're a sad bunch of people, clearly lacking social skills themselves and therefore pointing to genetics. It also obvious few if any anti vaxxers ever read Wakefield's study in full. Wakefield's study outright states they didn't prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described yet that is the only study anti vaxxers ever rely on. And the more they spam Wakefield, the more they remind everyone he was found guilty.
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The reaction is predictable. It wouldn't matter, anti vaxxers never discuss any study rationally or are they never civil. Almost every topic anti vaxxers comment on, posts are deleted because they think attacking others makes them a BIG person and will side track the evidence. They're a sad bunch of people, clearly lacking social skills themselves and therefore pointing to genetics. It also obvious few if any anti vaxxers ever read Wakefield's study in full. Wakefield's study outright states they didn't prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described yet that is the only study anti vaxxers ever rely on. And the more they spam Wakefield, the more they remind everyone he was found guilty.
smuck, it has nothing to with Mr. Wakefield. its all the parents who report autism not six months before vaccination but rather a couple of days after vaccination. smoking and lung cancer its not a coincidence, samething with autism and vaccination.
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Congratulations, the Winnipeg dummy managed to read the first paragraph in the study, i.e. the Abstract/background, which stated:-
“Subsequent investigations found no associations between MV exposure and ASD but did not test for the presence of MV RNA in bowel or focus on children with ASD and GI disturbances. Failure to replicate the original study design may contribute to continued public concern with respect to the safety of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.”
The Winnipeg dummy finds the word ‘may’, so he dismisses the study as “junk science”, without even considering the context in which the word is used, i.e. to point out that other studies which found no relationship between MMR vaccine and ASD did not include GI aspects in their studies, so they ‘MAY’ not convince the public that MMR is not the cause of GI conditions sometimes associated with ASD.
This study DID include GI aspects, and reported:-
“The work reported here eliminates the remaining support for the hypothesis that ASD with GI complaints is related to MMR exposure. We found no relationship between the timing of MMR and the onset of either GI complaints or autism.”
There are no words such as ‘may’,‘could’, or ‘seem’ here. The conclusion, based on the results of the data analysis, is definite.
It must be imbecile hour, here's one now. That conclusion means that in that group it may be so. It concludes what they did and what they alone found, means it applies to every case? It is obvious by this statement that was their goal, to remove support for the hypothesis, so presto they found no relationship. Easily done with the bills being paid for by government and Big Pharma.

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Many people smoke and never have lung cancer. Many get lung cancer and never smoke. No, it's not the same thing and cancers have pathology tests to determine it's presence and type. No such thing with autism.
As for those parents, where are they?? And then why aren't ALL parents reporting the same thing?? Why are boys 4 times with autism than girls?? Just how does vaccines do that?? All those 'parent' reports were claims started by anti vaxxers after Wakefield. At least you got his title right. He's a mere Mr. these days.
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So the Winnipeg dummy still has no scientific evidence that the studies I linked to were "junk science", so instead he now claims that they were financed by Big Pharma. So where is his evidence for this? As usual, he doesn't have any.

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But he see's nothing wrong with a study being financed by a bunch of attorneys in hopes they have clients. In fact, I believe it's the only study in history of which attorneys ever funded a study! And bummer for anti vaxxers, the pharma who has the product IS responsible for conducting studies and funding them. That's how it works and always has. Wakefield lied about who funded his study, pharma's outright let you know they did.
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So the Winnipeg dummy is now claiming that his assumptions constitute real evidence. How absurd, when his assumptions are clearly based on his own prejudices concerning vaccines being the cause of autism, for which he still hasn't got any scientific evidence.
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So the Winnipeg dummy is now claiming that his assumptions constitute real evidence. How absurd, when his assumptions are clearly based on his own prejudices concerning vaccines being the cause of autism, for which he still hasn't got any scientific evidence.
I*'ve also claimed you are excrement, so I'm right as usual

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