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Concern for children as autism is redefined

There are 20 comments on the South China Morning Post story from Feb 19, 2012, titled Concern for children as autism is redefined. In it, South China Morning Post reports that:

Half of Hong Kong's children currently diagnosed as autistic may be denied treatment following a major change to the clinical definition, concern groups warned.

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Vaccine induced autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Feb 19, 2012
Of course punish the victims again. Thanks Pharma for causing the autism epidemic and thanks pychiatry for twisting the knife Pharma shoved in our backs.

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#2 Feb 19, 2012
For one, Hong Kong does not have an official estimate of the population of autistic patients. For another, who knew Hong Kong used the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Hong Kong could always provide their own criteria.

The diagnosis that will be affected are those with asperger's and PDD-NOS, which PDD-NOS is where the wide gap is.

Since: Dec 11

havelock, nc

#3 Feb 20, 2012
Anyone who this would affect probably shouldn't have been diagnosed with an ASD in the first place.. It's defined by social/communicative deficits and repetitive behaviors. If they don't have those to a significant degree, then there's no sense in them being labelled as autistic. If the symptoms they have don't match the criteria but still cause significant issues, then there is most likely another disorder, or a few of them(for example, some differential diagnoses that would apply to many include include ADHD, schizoid personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, obsessive compulsive personality disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, social anxiety disorder, stereotypic movement disorder, social communicative disorder, a specific learning disability, etc. Or a combination.) that more accurately fits their pattern of symptoms.

Again, I have AS and am very high functioning.. I can drive, I go to college and do okay, I do volunteer work... I still easily fit the new criteria.

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#4 Feb 20, 2012
Exactly. Everyone is making such a hype about the new DSM, and it makes no sense. If a child or person has difficulties in certain area's, it's not like ASD is the ONLY diagnosis of which the individual can obtain services. That line of thinking only more confirms the over-diagnosing of ASD.

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#6 Feb 20, 2012
Be it autism or mourning, Pharma doesn't come to you. You go to Pharma asking for medication.

Pharma of course is off topic since the worry about the DSM changes has nothing to do with medication, but services.

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#8 Feb 20, 2012
You didn't read the article, did you? Treatment and services for ASD can be anything but medication. There's many choices out there.

One, any medication treats a symptom. Regardless of the changes of the DSM, if a symptom presents which medication can help, autism or not, that person can still get medication. But no RX comes knocking on people's doors. People go to doctors looking for an RX and many medications help.

Two, you cant have it both ways. If many who are currently diagnosed with ASD wont fit the new criteria, that then suggests less medication! You should be happy about that!

Since: Dec 11

havelock, nc

#9 Feb 20, 2012
Yeah, it's about symptoms not diagnoses. A lot of people who are on meds have no official diagnosis. I was actually put on meds before I had a real diagnosis of anything. I was even put on stimulants before I had an ADHD(or asd) diagnosis. I said I was lethargic and not able to get things done, so I was put on a stimulant. I didn't realize until later when I had an actual evaluation that I had Inattentive ADHD, and that was a symptom(I actually had no idea about the ways ADHD could present itself.. I used to think I couldn't have it because I was obsessive and overly focused on certain things). My psychiatrist was focused on treating the symptoms, not putting them into a category(most nowadays focus on just that, prescribing meds). SO, yeah, most psychiatrists focus of prescribing meds, treating symptoms. Getting evaluated for whatever disorder that those symptoms might be a part of is sort of separate.

Plus, a lot of people with a diagnosis of a disorder aren't on meds. If someone with asd didn't have any comorbid conditions(anxiety, OCD, ADHD, etc), and didn't have any severe treatable symptoms(like meltdowns), then there would be no reason for them to go on medication... Because the core hard wired symptoms of autism(social/communication deficits and repetitive behaviors) are not as treatable.

You seem to be under the impression that someone goes and gets a diagnosis and then goes off to the psych and gets some meds for whatever diagnosis they got. the meds you get are because of the symptoms you have, not because of the diagnosis you got.

Since: Jan 07

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#10 Feb 20, 2012
Everything with that person is about meds and vaccines.

There's so much more than just that.
There's speech and O.T therapy, ABA, RDI and floor time, social skills classes and a variety of different doctors. There's educational issues. Of those services and treatments, it's not just specific to an autism diagnosis. Many other disorders benefit from them or need them. Psychiatrist's don't go door to door. Patients seek them out and why? Because they can help. They also are not specific to autism.

Then there's co-morbids. Not everyone with autism have seizures, but for those who do, they generally need anti seizure meds. The thought line would then be every child who has autism better be on seizure meds, even if they don't have seizures. Not every child with autism ever see's a psychiatrist and most parents do not like the idea of psych meds. In many area's, there's not even ample amount of psychiatrist's practicing in children. As well as vaccines, psych meds have side effects too. If the idea is the pharma wants as many on meds as possible, that means parents want to just medicate. Then that wouldn't be a pharma issue, but the publics issue of wanting a quick-fix pill. And of course, there are such people out there.

Bottom line is the changes in the DSM have nothing to do with vaccines or medications. It's a scare tactic and wild random thinking. If a child has symptom's severe enough, they're going to get what they need depending of course on each individual countries insurance/ educational policies.

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#12 Feb 20, 2012
That has nothing to do with the revised DSM.
Vaccines Maim Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#13 Feb 21, 2012
friend wrote:
That has nothing to do with the revised DSM.
You said RX doesn't offer, people want. I gave you a counter example and you said DUH.

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#14 Feb 21, 2012
What an off topic poor example of a counter. Vaccines are not part of autism treatment, and neither is a broken finger. RX's can be. Rx's nor vaccines go door to door.

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#16 Feb 21, 2012
RX's AKA medications, vaccines, punishment or a broken finger has nothing to do with the revised DSM and certainly has nothing to do with the article about Hong Kong's concern for children as autism is redefined which IS the topic.

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#18 Feb 21, 2012
You should be thanking me for keeping you on topic.

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#20 Feb 21, 2012
Didn't we already go over the vaccine schedule of China?? Thought so.

It's not about vaccines. You get 5 thumbs down for attempting to be off topic.

(I silently wonder if you were ever on topic having a real conversation about serious topics, would I end up just amazed, or giggling?)

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#22 Feb 22, 2012
My very first post was on topic. I have no problem being confronted. It's you who has the problem. When anyone posts anything, you go off with your childish one liners. That's what you consider your truth, and you hope it ends the conversation of which is on topic. Your primary intent is being off topic and your one liners is to provoke other into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

The rest of us are having discussions. You're only here to annoy everyone.

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#24 Feb 22, 2012
Try to stay on topic. Autism and surrounding issues of it are serious. You're making fun of it isn't funny.

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#26 Feb 22, 2012
Vaccines have nothing to do with the refined DSM.

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#28 Feb 22, 2012
It has nothing to do with this topic and the DSM. The DSM is about diagnosis, not cause of symptom's.
Andrew Nelson

Clarks Summit, PA

#30 Mar 2, 2012
I don't know if many people know that one of the birth defects attributed to Paxil is autism. Recent studies have shown, although there are minimal evidence to support, that Paxil use may cause autism on the infant exposed. The FDA also issued a warning about more severe Paxil side effects such as birth defects, autism, suicidal behavior and heart problems. See: http://www.paxilbirthdefectlaw.com/paxil-laws...
Paxil cauaes autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#31 Mar 2, 2012
Pharma causes autism by experimenting on us every chance they get. Flu shots for pregnant women for instance. Just plain crazy and asking for issues. But since governments protect them and the media parrots the lies, after an injury occurs, they circle the wagons and blame they victims.

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