Hey, where is everybody? The "CDC whi...

Hey, where is everybody? The "CDC whistleblower" manufactroversy...

There are 52 comments on the ScienceBlogs story from Aug 25, 2014, titled Hey, where is everybody? The "CDC whistleblower" manufactroversy.... In it, ScienceBlogs reports that:

Here it is, Tuesday already, and the antivaccine underground is still on full mental jacket alert over the biggest story the antivaccine movement has seen in a while.

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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Aug 26, 2014
This one is pretty good and puts it all into reality perspective. Fortunately, things donít appear to be going quite the way that Andrew Wakefield and Brian Hooker had hoped. Another failed attempt to go on Wakefield's doomed agenda. Wakefield should just do us all a favor and get a real job.
Da Thresher

Chicago, IL

#2 Aug 26, 2014
Oh, come on. Give me a break.

"Vaccines, GOOOOOD!"

"Anyone that thinks otherwise, is BAAAAD!"

Really not surprising that this kind of propaganda filth would be found on this forum.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Aug 26, 2014
Da Thresher wrote:
Oh, come on. Give me a break.
"Vaccines, GOOOOOD!"
"Anyone that thinks otherwise, is BAAAAD!"
Really not surprising that this kind of propaganda filth would be found on this forum.
Isn't it DUH Thresher? Thanks for coming by with that duh moment.
Sam

Montrťal, Canada

#4 Aug 26, 2014
Julie Gerberding, the head of CDC is now the president at Merck. The division of vaccines. Its like Ossama Bin Laden being promoted to US defense air force. You see how wrong it is. Are you going to trust CDC an their vaccines? I will not^

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#5 Aug 26, 2014
Kenneth C. Frazier is the president of Merck, hello. One easy search reveals anti vaxxers misinfo and out right lie. Anyone can also easily look up Julie Gerberding and Merck to see she never was on any board.
Aside from that, even if figures were misrepresented, Hooker did not at all demonstrate within his paper that the MMR caused autism. And if anyone knew anything, they'd notice that letter by Thompson to Julie Gerberding isn't even dated and that letter has nothing at all to do with the 2004 Destefano study!
Anti vaxxers were duped again!
MMR LIES and COVERUP

Winnipeg, Canada

#6 Aug 26, 2014
friend wrote:
Kenneth C. Frazier is the president of Merck, hello. One easy search reveals anti vaxxers misinfo and out right lie. Anyone can also easily look up Julie Gerberding and Merck to see she never was on any board.
Aside from that, even if figures were misrepresented, Hooker did not at all demonstrate within his paper that the MMR caused autism. And if anyone knew anything, they'd notice that letter by Thompson to Julie Gerberding isn't even dated and that letter has nothing at all to do with the 2004 Destefano study!
Anti vaxxers were duped again!
misinfo as usual

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#7 Aug 26, 2014
Nope. No Julie Gerberding listed, and certainly not president nor has been in any recent years. Debunked.
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/autism/TCLV...

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#8 Aug 26, 2014
Wrong link, try this for size http://www.merck.com/about/leadership/executi...
Pharma Maims Kills

Winnipeg, Canada

#9 Aug 27, 2014
friend get on topic troll
DD Neuropsychologis t

Las Vegas, NV

#10 Aug 28, 2014
Sam wrote:
Julie Gerberding, the head of CDC is now the president at Merck. The division of vaccines. Its like Ossama Bin Laden being promoted to US defense air force. You see how wrong it is. Are you going to trust CDC an their vaccines? I will not^
That's because you'd rather have your child die of whooping cough, rubella, mumps, polio, small pox or any of a dozen or so diseases that once were almost obliterated from western civilizations by the use of VACCINES rather than have the child live with ASD?

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#11 Aug 28, 2014
Ray/ Sam and anyone else from Cananda like Winnipeg's Ross Coe don't live in the USA, so anything about the CDC hardly pertains to them anyway. They're all going nuts over this Hooker and Wakefield. First of all, anti vaxxers cant understand that a 3.4-fold increased risk is NOT a 340% increased risk. Itís a 240% increased risk. Basic math. Leave it to anti vaxxers to attempt to dupe those not good in math! And let's not forget, Hooker's paper includes Geier nd Wakefield papers. Hooker did a cohort study. Basically, he looked at the risk of an autism diagnosis in the groups first exposed to MMR at different age ranges. Remember, case control = comparing risk factor frequency in people with a condition compared to controls; cohort = examining risk of condition in people with different exposures. Hooker analyzed a dataset collected to be analyzed by a case-control method using a cohort design. Then he did multiple subset analyses, which, of course, are prone to false positives. Even if his statistics were correctly done, his changing the design is highly suspect, Hooker had a limited dataset to work with when he boiled it down to African-American baby boys. Hooker attempted to publish a USA study in a UK journal that's unheard of. Instead of realizing they were duped too, anti vaxxers are now going nuts that the journal realized they were duped and removed the study.
They're all full of misinfo, name-calling and drama, too busy with headlines than actually reading and don't or cant even realize they were duped again by a so-called researcher. They also forget the MMR was licensed in 1971/ USA, and they have no explanation (and neither did Hooker or Wakefield) that autism rates never rose at that time. Hooker's look at the 2004 study doesn't explain this nor did it at all demomstrate the MMR caused autism. Yet they would risk many children based on faslehoods and expose them to deadly childhood diseases since they can no more predict who will die when they contract a disease than they can predict who will have autism.
Vaccines Maim Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#12 Aug 28, 2014
DD Neuropsychologist wrote:
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That's because you'd rather have your child die of whooping cough, rubella, mumps, polio, small pox or any of a dozen or so diseases that once were almost obliterated from western civilizations by the use of VACCINES rather than have the child live with ASD?
I see the fear mongering of vaccine marketing works with you....baa baa
Vaccines Maim Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#13 Aug 28, 2014
friend wrote:
Ray/ Sam and anyone else from Cananda like Winnipeg's Ross Coe don't live in the USA, so anything about the CDC hardly pertains to them anyway. They're all going nuts over this Hooker and Wakefield. First of all, anti vaxxers cant understand that a 3.4-fold increased risk is NOT a 340% increased risk. Itís a 240% increased risk. Basic math. Leave it to anti vaxxers to attempt to dupe those not good in math! And let's not forget, Hooker's paper includes Geier nd Wakefield papers. Hooker did a cohort study. Basically, he looked at the risk of an autism diagnosis in the groups first exposed to MMR at different age ranges. Remember, case control = comparing risk factor frequency in people with a condition compared to controls; cohort = examining risk of condition in people with different exposures. Hooker analyzed a dataset collected to be analyzed by a case-control method using a cohort design. Then he did multiple subset analyses, which, of course, are prone to false positives. Even if his statistics were correctly done, his changing the design is highly suspect, Hooker had a limited dataset to work with when he boiled it down to African-American baby boys. Hooker attempted to publish a USA study in a UK journal that's unheard of. Instead of realizing they were duped too, anti vaxxers are now going nuts that the journal realized they were duped and removed the study.
They're all full of misinfo, name-calling and drama, too busy with headlines than actually reading and don't or cant even realize they were duped again by a so-called researcher. They also forget the MMR was licensed in 1971/ USA, and they have no explanation (and neither did Hooker or Wakefield) that autism rates never rose at that time. Hooker's look at the 2004 study doesn't explain this nor did it at all demomstrate the MMR caused autism. Yet they would risk many children based on faslehoods and expose them to deadly childhood diseases since they can no more predict who will die when they contract a disease than they can predict who will have autism.
If it was vice-versa friend work call it proof. What a numbskull

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#14 Aug 28, 2014
Hooker and Wakefield already has shown they are dishonest and frauds and do illegal things. Thompson's press release made it another bad day for anti vaxxers and back fired on the conspirators. The only 'numbskull' are those who believed this scam.
DD Neuropsychologis t

Las Vegas, NV

#15 Aug 28, 2014
Vaccines Maim Kill wrote:
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I see the fear mongering of vaccine marketing works with you....baa baa
Not quite; however, the history that I learned in school before big pharma was such an influence certainly does affect my perspective. I am not a fan of pharmaceutical intervention- a pill should not be considered the cure-all for everything- but medical advances have certainly prolonged and enhanced the lives of many. As friend pointed out, the MMR was developed and licensed long before the rates of Autism increased. Moreover, the REAL causes of autism are multifactorial genetic influences, which most often occur at conception or in utero. The gene translocations (i.e.,'mutation' for the illiterate) are more likely caused by poor parental diet, exposure to environmental toxins, and the short-circuiting of the 'survival of the fittest' model that served for eons to cull the genetically weaker individuals from the herd. IN THAT sense, and that sense alone, medicine may be blamed for the increase in Autism rates.

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#17 Aug 29, 2014
That's what they all say when they have no answers to valid questions and believe in known convicted criminals, and then the claims of those known convicted criminals go down the drain.
WHITE RAT

Winnipeg, Canada

#18 Aug 29, 2014
friend wrote:
That's what they all say when they have no answers to valid questions and believe in known convicted criminals, and then the claims of those known convicted criminals go down the drain.
And you post blah blah and made up nonsense.
Logicalism

United States

#19 Aug 29, 2014
DD Neuropsychologist wrote:
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That's because you'd rather have your child die of whooping cough, rubella, mumps, polio, small pox or any of a dozen or so diseases that once were almost obliterated from western civilizations by the use of VACCINES rather than have the child live with ASD?
Just like scurvy would've been proclaimed "cured" by vaccines if it happened within the last 70 years, but we know it was simply 'cured' by good ol' vitamin C from citrus fruits back a few hundred years ago (when the medical scam-artists didn't have such a stronghold on the masses of sheeple, like they do in the present day).

Your scam-artist poison drug-pushers are making billions of dollars off of peoples' sicknesses and diseases. It's not charity for them; it's BUSINESS! MONEY MAKING!

Either you're not very intelligent, or you're a paid and/or emotionally brainwashed sock puppet.

Begone, troll. We don't want your poison toxins in our bodies, you abomination to humanity.
We don't need your cooked up garbage; you're not our god. All that has been created in the wild is all we need to actually survive. The nutrients in fruits, vegetables, herbs, spices, organ meats; this is what we need to survive and thrive... so long as it's NOT depleted of minerals, or sprayed with toxic pesticides, or pumped with poison "antibiotics" and hormones.

When man gets involved and thinks himself to be god, like he knows how to "fix" what actually was never broken to begin with, it creates an abomination. Their minds are an abomination to creation. They are the cancer to this world.

We The People need to stand up and protest this cancer in the streets until they're all shut down, then we can actually be healthy.
he who knows

UK

#20 Aug 29, 2014
friend wrote:
This one is pretty good and puts it all into reality perspective. Fortunately, things donít appear to be going quite the way that Andrew Wakefield and Brian Hooker had hoped. Another failed attempt to go on Wakefield's doomed agenda. Wakefield should just do us all a favor and get a real job.
Wakefield is a disgrace, he made up his 'research' figures, because the real figures didn't support his belief...the guy should be in prison for the future harm he has done to children...

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#21 Aug 29, 2014
A disease resulting from a deficiency of vitamin C is not comparable to an contractible contagious disease. Hello. Either you're not very intelligent, or you're a paid and/or emotionally brainwashed sock puppet. Hate to tell you, before there was any vaccines, antibiotics, pesticides, any store bought food, people died from contractible contagious disease. Hello. Only a fool would attempt to conform others to turn back the clock to a time where death couldn't be avoided or prevented.

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