A mother's vaccine journey

Mar 26, 2011 Full story: StarTribune 228

Hodan Hassan of Minneapolis understands why some parents are afraid to have their children vaccinated.

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#185 Sep 26, 2013
I agree that anyone with autism or asperger's would be part of that persons personality, however they both are disabilities. A disability is based how debilitating daily living is, and for some and more so children, it's very much considered a disability and HFA can have affects in certain area's just as debilitating as autism. If there is no debilitating piece, then there is no diagnosis.

I also disagree that the tests for autism is a general test. It isn't that later it's found just where they are on the spectrum, it's that all children progress and often no longer fit criteria. Very few will never progress. For instance a child with classic autism as a child and diagnosed autism, as they get older and progress, learn to use verbal language and coping skills then isn't later thought to be misdiagnosed. That child would still have autism, not aspergers.

That said, no anti vaxxer who advocates for suing should ever belittle anyone for Government aide.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#188 Sep 26, 2013
friend wrote:
I agree that anyone with autism or asperger's would be part of that persons personality, however they both are disabilities. A disability is based how debilitating daily living is, and for some and more so children, it's very much considered a disability and HFA can have affects in certain area's just as debilitating as autism. If there is no debilitating piece, then there is no diagnosis.
I also disagree that the tests for autism is a general test. It isn't that later it's found just where they are on the spectrum, it's that all children progress and often no longer fit criteria. Very few will never progress. For instance a child with classic autism as a child and diagnosed autism, as they get older and progress, learn to use verbal language and coping skills then isn't later thought to be misdiagnosed. That child would still have autism, not aspergers.
That said, no anti vaxxer who advocates for suing should ever belittle anyone for Government aide.
Remember that my daughter also has Aspergers. It is through her testings I found out that the basic tests for autism are for all forms. This being awareness, agility, etc.... Since the basic tests I'm referring to are the childhood ones.

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#189 Sep 26, 2013
Although both scales contain cognition
language skills, social interactions
sensorimotor and maladaptive behavior to name a few, the only difference between the 2 diagnosis is cognition. Depending on the age of the child, either scale available will be quite different from the other.
Any diagnosis depends on how debilitating each area is. There are those who are so high functioning that although deemed to have a disorder, they wouldn't then rank for the criteria.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#190 Sep 26, 2013
friend wrote:
I agree that anyone with autism or asperger's would be part of that persons personality, however they both are disabilities. A disability is based how debilitating daily living is, and for some and more so children, it's very much considered a disability and HFA can have affects in certain area's just as debilitating as autism. If there is no debilitating piece, then there is no diagnosis.
I also disagree that the tests for autism is a general test. It isn't that later it's found just where they are on the spectrum, it's that all children progress and often no longer fit criteria. Very few will never progress. For instance a child with classic autism as a child and diagnosed autism, as they get older and progress, learn to use verbal language and coping skills then isn't later thought to be misdiagnosed. That child would still have autism, not aspergers.
That said, no anti vaxxer who advocates for suing should ever belittle anyone for Government aide.
Even if I was to get disability. It is NONE of their business anyways, They are in Canada. Do they think that I'm going to apply for THEIR country for it. NOPE.
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Plus, by the fact I used to hold down a full time job, I paid into that fund for my fellow Americans and me.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#193 Sep 26, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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I don't consider HFA to be a disability. I instead realize that it is a part of my personality. IF I was to even get disability payments or even a placard for my car. I would qualify for the fact that I can not walk unassisted due to a bad back and bad ankles. I have to use a cane and braces due to those facts. But I refuse to get them. Though due to the fact it is getting harder and harder to move about, I might have to put my pride aside and go apply for it.
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Learning that I have it explains several things. One of them is why I was found to have college levels in word comprehension in the various grades when I was tested with that Peabody Word Test that some teachers used.
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As well as why I ended up with the jobs I did when I had a full time job. As in repairing other folks' mistakes along with other things I ended up doing.
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And the tests for kids on the autism scale is a general set of tests. It isn't till much later that the kids are found to be where they are on the spectrum.
you my dear are an idiot pure ans simple. since you are blaming your back problems on being an asperger. lets rewind here, the main reason asperger is put on autism spectrum is due to communication diificulty and social limitation. but you express yourself much better than me and asking for the smuck friend to be your buddy. so why do you consider yourself on autism spectrum again.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#194 Sep 26, 2013
friend wrote:
Although both scales contain cognition
language skills, social interactions
sensorimotor and maladaptive behavior to name a few, the only difference between the 2 diagnosis is cognition. Depending on the age of the child, either scale available will be quite different from the other.
Any diagnosis depends on how debilitating each area is. There are those who are so high functioning that although deemed to have a disorder, they wouldn't then rank for the criteria.
HUH?

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#196 Sep 26, 2013
friend wrote:
I agree that anyone with autism or asperger's would be part of that persons personality, however they both are disabilities. A disability is based how debilitating daily living is, and for some and more so children, it's very much considered a disability and HFA can have affects in certain area's just as debilitating as autism. If there is no debilitating piece, then there is no diagnosis.
I also disagree that the tests for autism is a general test. It isn't that later it's found just where they are on the spectrum, it's that all children progress and often no longer fit criteria. Very few will never progress. For instance a child with classic autism as a child and diagnosed autism, as they get older and progress, learn to use verbal language and coping skills then isn't later thought to be misdiagnosed. That child would still have autism, not aspergers.
That said, no anti vaxxer who advocates for suing should ever belittle anyone for Government aide.
And again a certain canadian troll assumes things about my life. As though it was right next to me as I have lived all of my years.
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As in how I got a bad back. When what happened was not due to autism. But the fact I threw it out during a charity event I was helping out with lil over two decades ago. The ankles were due to all the sprains I got. Chemo just made both worse.
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It also in the case of autism, especially aspergers, does NOT realize that with therapy, it can be helped to bring out a person out of their 'shell'. Even in the shell, we do pick up words and phrases.
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It also does not realize that there is a term for aspie folks, especially kids. It is termed 'Little professor'. Part of that is due to the fact that many aspies have a high command of the language. This includes aspies like - Dr. Temple Grandin.
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The troll has assumed that due to the fact that folks on the HFA end of the spectrum are not 'wired' to be mere social butterflies. That due to that, we are not supposed to have a good command of the language.
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It also forgets that the ones who decide what goes into the DSM have noted that autism is a spectrum disorder. And that not everyone on the spectrum is going to exhibit the same characteristics as the next autistic.
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I've also noticed one thing about anti-vaxxers. They tend to be curebies. They also assume that if one autistic person has troubles with language and being able to express one's self. That supposedly ALL autistics are like that. Bull Butter!!!!!! Most likely they assume that we all bounce our heads against walls literally as well. And supposedly all on the spectrum need those helmets.

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#197 Sep 26, 2013
Facts are facts. You're the one who made the scare tactic at around post 162 about the polio vaccine, which has nothing to do with Canada, the USA or even autism. Oh and by the way, I never once said vaccines are safe. No one here has. If you don't like the fact that India still uses the oral polio vaccine, instead of attempting to scare people about paralysis with misinfo and fear mongering, get off a USA based internet site and go do something about India. Better yet, go take a trip there and appeal to India's Government.

Until then, you're attacks and bad wishes are useless here and demonstrate you could care less about any vaccines in India or the children since you abused the study about it and used it to cause fear, not me.
Oh, and you're debunked, again.

Since: Jan 07

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#198 Sep 26, 2013
The thing is, the DSM's criteria is pretty striaght forward. The differences are one, the margin for error and relying on each and every examiner to judge the characteristics the same and not rule out first disorders that mimic autism. Two, the DSM doesn't contain a criteria for hand flapping, yet many people associate that to autism and many typical two year old do this. Third, any child or person isn't all autism, they're still an individual which will never make any two exactly alike. Calling anything a spectrum confuses people, opens it up for anti vaxxers to abuse it.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#199 Sep 27, 2013
friend wrote:
The thing is, the DSM's criteria is pretty striaght forward. The differences are one, the margin for error and relying on each and every examiner to judge the characteristics the same and not rule out first disorders that mimic autism. Two, the DSM doesn't contain a criteria for hand flapping, yet many people associate that to autism and many typical two year old do this. Third, any child or person isn't all autism, they're still an individual which will never make any two exactly alike. Calling anything a spectrum confuses people, opens it up for anti vaxxers to abuse it.
True. The troll forgets that anyone on the spectrum are people who have autism.
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As well as the troll forgot that I pointed out that I was tested and was found to have Aspergers by a doctor. That is how I know I have it.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#200 Sep 27, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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True. The troll forgets that anyone on the spectrum are people who have autism.
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As well as the troll forgot that I pointed out that I was tested and was found to have Aspergers by a doctor. That is how I know I have it.
You have no disability from what you hear say. You communicate pretty well your thoughts. I also work in the field. It is sad to say your are taking the places of many who need help since they cannt evensay their names. Forget about social aspect.

If you go to a doctor for any issue, for sure they will give you a label...thats their job. Why do you think people lose their diagnosis, because the doctors were wrong on first place. So please stop claiming you are a disabled one, please refund the disbility checks so the money goes to the real people who are disabled and need it the most. please.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#201 Sep 27, 2013
friend wrote:
Facts are facts. You're the one who made the scare tactic at around post 162 about the polio vaccine, which has nothing to do with Canada, the USA or even autism. Oh and by the way, I never once said vaccines are safe. No one here has. If you don't like the fact that India still uses the oral polio vaccine, instead of attempting to scare people about paralysis with misinfo and fear mongering, get off a USA based internet site and go do something about India. Better yet, go take a trip there and appeal to India's Government.
Until then, you're attacks and bad wishes are useless here and demonstrate you could care less about any vaccines in India or the children since you abused the study about it and used it to cause fear, not me.
Oh, and you're debunked, again.
So you agree that vaccines can cause paralysis! so paralysis is scary right! because be so, since vaccines cause paralysis, just check polio. Forget about cheap polio. Its the same product that your Bill gate is pushing and funding for. He is the one paying Sanifi, GSK and Merck. One thing you are right own is vaccines are scary when you think they cause paralysis. But not beleiving it and denying it, is like being like a bird with head in the sand. is that what you want to be: An Ostrich

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#205 Sep 27, 2013
I did not agree that vaccines can cause paralysis. Leave it to an anti vaxxer for wishful thinking. Fact:'vaccines' do not cause paralysis. A virus does. Hello. Guess it's true anti vaxxers have had no biology or science classes.
You are right on one thing though, virus are scary when they cause paralysis. In 1952 58,000 cases were reported, 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis. All prior to a vaccine. Polio survivors are responsible for the rise of rehabilitation therapy and social and civil rights of the disabled. It was those survivors parents who begged scientists to create a vaccine.

And we already debunked "every vaccine has adjuvants". Not true and the anti vaxxers here haven't even figured out which vaccines do and don't contain it!

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#206 Sep 28, 2013
friend wrote:
I did not agree that vaccines can cause paralysis. Leave it to an anti vaxxer for wishful thinking. Fact:'vaccines' do not cause paralysis. A virus does. Hello. Guess it's true anti vaxxers have had no biology or science classes.
You are right on one thing though, virus are scary when they cause paralysis. In 1952 58,000 cases were reported, 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis. All prior to a vaccine. Polio survivors are responsible for the rise of rehabilitation therapy and social and civil rights of the disabled. It was those survivors parents who begged scientists to create a vaccine.
And we already debunked "every vaccine has adjuvants". Not true and the anti vaxxers here haven't even figured out which vaccines do and don't contain it!
Translation: DUH!

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#210 Sep 28, 2013
That's what is great about anti vaxxers, you can bet they don't read the content but only rely on the abuse the anti vaxxer site they got it from.
They make it so easy to debunk them. besides that, it's a 2003 study.

Also, there is a difference between an vaccine pusher and one who pushes for facts. Hard to know why he's so stuck on this, the USA nor Canada uses the oral vaccine. He's wasting his time trying to scare people here.
Blame Vaccines

Winnipeg, Canada

#212 Sep 28, 2013
Corn Sister wrote:
Says mere coincidence, space case....
LMAOROFU~!
You cannot even read your own tripe....
Thanks for the stool sample
Blame Vaccines

Winnipeg, Canada

#213 Sep 28, 2013
friend wrote:
That's what is great about anti vaxxers, you can bet they don't read the content but only rely on the abuse the anti vaxxer site they got it from.
They make it so easy to debunk them. besides that, it's a 2003 study.
Also, there is a difference between an vaccine pusher and one who pushes for facts. Hard to know why he's so stuck on this, the USA nor Canada uses the oral vaccine. He's wasting his time trying to scare people here.
you're a stool pusher and here's another sample
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#214 Sep 28, 2013
friend wrote:
That's what is great about anti vaxxers, you can bet they don't read the content but only rely on the abuse the anti vaxxer site they got it from.
They make it so easy to debunk them. besides that, it's a 2003 study.
Also, there is a difference between an vaccine pusher and one who pushes for facts. Hard to know why he's so stuck on this, the USA nor Canada uses the oral vaccine. He's wasting his time trying to scare people here.
Here you didnt believe the previous post regarding Polio and paralysis. You want a recent one here from your trusted Fox news:

Americans who received the H1NI flu vaccine, also known as the swine flu vaccine, in 2009 and 2010 had a very small but real increase in their risk for developing a rare neurological disorder, a new study finds.

Among people who were vaccinated, cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were about twice as common during the first six weeks after receiving the vaccination than they were after that.

Vaxxpushers always deny the vaccines risk. They say its mere coincidence. Mere coincidence this diiicccckkkHead
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#215 Sep 28, 2013
Corn Sister wrote:
Says mere coincidence, space case....
LMAOROFU~!
You cannot even read your own tripe....
shut up tea Bag ER
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#216 Sep 28, 2013
friend wrote:
That's what is great about anti vaxxers, you can bet they don't read the content but only rely on the abuse the anti vaxxer site they got it from.
They make it so easy to debunk them. besides that, it's a 2003 study.
Also, there is a difference between an vaccine pusher and one who pushes for facts. Hard to know why he's so stuck on this, the USA nor Canada uses the oral vaccine. He's wasting his time trying to scare people here.
This is from CBC back in my town after flu vaccination, they have such hard time to sell it to pregnant women. They went adjuvanted, they couldnt sell it, then they went Non adjuvanted they still couldnt sell it, to the point even nurses were not consenting to vaccination. Below is the title of the article...but ofcourse for vaxxpusher its just a coincidence and it doesnt count:

The flu vaccine used during the 2009 pandemic may have led to a slight increase in cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome in Quebec, a new study from the province suggests.

The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association, suggests that use of the vaccine may have led to a doubling of the rate of cases of the rare neurological condition.

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