A mother's vaccine journey

Mar 26, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: StarTribune

Hodan Hassan of Minneapolis understands why some parents are afraid to have their children vaccinated.

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So now the Winnipeg dummy is saying that dictionary definitions are wrong. Next he will be claiming that dictionaries are all written by Big Pharma.

A doctor will first examine a patient for symptoms. These are his observations.

The doctor will then note what his diagnoses are. These constitute his findings.

Only an imbecile like the Winnipeg dummy would claim that they are the same thing. This is what we have come to expect from him with regard to his claim that vaccines cause autism, i.e. total lack of any scientific logic.

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From Chuck Shepherds News of the Weird.

-- Smiting Skeptics: Measles, despite being highly contagious, was virtually eradicated in America until a small number of skeptics, using now-discredited "research," tied childhood vaccinations with the rise of autism, and now the disease is returning. About half the members of the Eagle Mountain International Church near Dallas have declined to vaccinate their children, and as of late August, at least 20 church members have experienced the disease. The head pastor denied that he preaches against the immunizations (although he did tell NPR, cryptically, "(T)he (medical) facts are facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts.").[NPR, 9-1-2013]

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Didn't you know, anti vaxxers use a different dictionary than the rest of the world does. Most cults don't use the same definitions as the rest of the world does. Common knowledge there and thanks to Winnipeg for the demonstration and confirmation of it!
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friend wrote:
What I said was, which vaccines are those that have adjuvants, because not all vaccines have it. You stated in post 82 "vaccines have many adjuvants". Not true, a single vaccine does not. Four vaccines never had adjuvants and you have yet to list what those are, and anti vaxxers have yet to admit adjuvants have been used in vaccines long before thimerosal ever was. So if it causes autism, it would had back in the 1920's. So come back and post as you know something.
And there has yet to be a vaccine pusher here. The only thing is, we're debunking your lies, which has nothing to do with telling anyone to get vaccines. Anti vaxxers deny deny deny the facts and make up their own. You're proof of that. Only a moron would bring up the flu vaccine, as well. Why don't you go ahead and tell us if that vaccine has an adjuvant, how many get the flu vaccine and why people still get the flu even if they've had the vaccine??!! Cant hardly wait to debunk that! And which childhood vaccines caused paralysis after vaccination???? And, the flu vaccine is optional on the childhood vaccine schedule. You're the one who is offering fear mongering.
And best of all, anti vaxxer attempt to diagnose other posters!
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ok now you say only single vaccine have not adjuvants...keep correcting yoursellf. your ignorance has no limit. so the you agree that mmr supplied to children they do have adujuvant. what about infanrix!!! i can keep going but whats the point...i can teach a monkey about immunology...go to school. vaccines cause paralysis...you say no...Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis: a retrospective cohort study of acute flaccid paralyses in Brazil

check it out...read and learn and stop saying vaccines have no side effects and they are safe. paralysis stupid. look deeper and see the gastrointestinal problems originating from vaccines which are known more than 30 years ago. vaxxpusher debunked
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ric99 wrote:
It seems that the Winnipeg dummy is now admitting that he is so uneducated that he doesn't know the difference between 'observations' and 'findings'.
Dictionary definitions:-
Observations: Things that you notice by watching and listening.
Findings: The results of an investigation.
Perhaps they should bring back the dunce's cap in Winnipeg, and we all know who should be the first to wear it.
the only dummy here is you. if you look through a microscope in a petri dish, the colonies of bacteria that you see is an observation but could be very well be defined as findings. go to school
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Didn't you know, anti vaxxers use a different dictionary than the rest of the world does. Most cults don't use the same definitions as the rest of the world does. Common knowledge there and thanks to Winnipeg for the demonstration and confirmation of it!
vaxxpusher strategy: fear mongering very convincing for parents after all the kids went into world of autism after vaccination

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Wrong again, get ready for another debunking. You claimed "vaccines". My reference to single means to look at each vaccine in a single manner.

It also shows you still have no clue which 'vaccine(s)' don't nor ever contained an adjuvant or you wouldn't have been to uneducated to mention the MMR! What a riot and ful of holes anyone can confirm on their own!
Again, the scare tactic about paralysis, which vaccines? What are the numbers? That Brazil? One it's an epidemiological study You tell us what countries still use the oral polio vaccine? What year did they start using the inactive polio vaccine? Here's a clue: Canada doesn't. The examined dates of your study were 1989 and 1995, the USA was no longer using the oral vaccine prior to those dates.

Fear mongering Debunked. Again.
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Observations and findings are not the same. Observations rely only what is seen and the persons opinion of it. Findings rely on factual actual finding of 'something' with evidence to back it up. A conclusion reached after examination or investigation.
Now look who the fool is and again, debunked.
You have yet to offer any such findings to back up your claims.
here another finding:Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis is a rare adverse reaction to the live oral polio vaccine. The paralysis from this condition is identical to that caused by wild poliovirus, and may be permanent
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Wrong again, get ready for another debunking. You claimed "vaccines". My reference to single means to look at each vaccine in a single manner.
It also shows you still have no clue which 'vaccine(s)' don't nor ever contained an adjuvant or you wouldn't have been to uneducated to mention the MMR! What a riot and ful of holes anyone can confirm on their own!
Again, the scare tactic about paralysis, which vaccines? What are the numbers? That Brazil? One it's an epidemiological study You tell us what countries still use the oral polio vaccine? What year did they start using the inactive polio vaccine? Here's a clue: Canada doesn't. The examined dates of your study were 1989 and 1995, the USA was no longer using the oral vaccine prior to those dates.
Fear mongering Debunked. Again.
2011 just for you:“It has been reported in the Lancet that the incidence of AFP, especially non-polio AFP has increased exponentially in India after a high potency polio vaccine was introduced (25). Grassly and colleagues suggested, at that time, that the increase in AFP was the result of a deliberate effort to intensify surveillance and reporting in India (26). The National Polio Surveillance Programme maintained that the increased numbers were due to reporting of mild weakness, presumably weakness of little consequence (27).

“However in 2005, a fifth of the cases of non-polio AFP in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (UP) were followed up after 60 days. 35.2% were found to have residual paralysis and 8.5% had died (making the total of residual paralysis or death – 43.7%)(28). Sathyamala examined data from the following year and showed that children who were identified with non-polio AFP were at more than twice the risk of dying than those with wild polio infection (27).

“Data from India on polio control over 10 years, available from the National Polio Surveillance Project, has now been compiled and made available online for it to be scrutinised by epidemiologists and statisticians (29). This shows that the non-polio AFP rate increases in proportion to the number of polio vaccines doses received in each area.

“Nationally, the non-polio AFP rate is now 12 times higher than expected. In the states of Uttar Pradesh (UP) and Bihar, which have pulse polio rounds nearly every month, the non-polio AFP rate is 25- and 35-fold higher than the international norms. The relationship of the non-polio AFP rate is curvilinear with a more steep increase beyond six doses of OPV in one year. The non-polio AFP rate during the year best correlates to the cumulative doses received in the previous three years. Association (R2) of the non-polio AFP rate with OPV doses received in 2009 was 41.9%.
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Wrong again, get ready for another debunking. You claimed "vaccines". My reference to single means to look at each vaccine in a single manner.
It also shows you still have no clue which 'vaccine(s)' don't nor ever contained an adjuvant or you wouldn't have been to uneducated to mention the MMR! What a riot and ful of holes anyone can confirm on their own!
Again, the scare tactic about paralysis, which vaccines? What are the numbers? That Brazil? One it's an epidemiological study You tell us what countries still use the oral polio vaccine? What year did they start using the inactive polio vaccine? Here's a clue: Canada doesn't. The examined dates of your study were 1989 and 1995, the USA was no longer using the oral vaccine prior to those dates.
Fear mongering Debunked. Again.
vaxxpusher debunked....on cdc website:Additives used in the production of vaccines may include

suspending fluid (e.g. sterile water, saline, or fluids containing protein);
preservatives and stabilizers to help the vaccine remain unchanged (e.g. albumin, phenols, and glycine); and
adjuvants or enhancers to help the vaccine to be more effective.
Common substances found in vaccines include:

Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

See also: "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know" [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in Spanish [579KB / 2 pages]
Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines,(these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.
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Wrong again, get ready for another debunking. You claimed "vaccines". My reference to single means to look at each vaccine in a single manner.
It also shows you still have no clue which 'vaccine(s)' don't nor ever contained an adjuvant or you wouldn't have been to uneducated to mention the MMR! What a riot and ful of holes anyone can confirm on their own!
Again, the scare tactic about paralysis, which vaccines? What are the numbers? That Brazil? One it's an epidemiological study You tell us what countries still use the oral polio vaccine? What year did they start using the inactive polio vaccine? Here's a clue: Canada doesn't. The examined dates of your study were 1989 and 1995, the USA was no longer using the oral vaccine prior to those dates.
Fear mongering Debunked. Again.
vaxxpusher debunked again and agaiin, on cdc website polio vaccine side effect:Serious Side Effects
Severe side effects occur very rarely with the polio vaccine (in less than one out of a million doses). One serious problem that can occur is a serious allergic reaction. Symptoms that may indicate an allergic reaction (or some other serious problem) include:
 
Trouble breathing
Hoarseness
Wheezing
Hives
Pale skin
Weakness
Fast heartbeat
Dizziness
High fever
Behavior changes.
 
These serious side effects can happen within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot, but they can also occur one or two weeks later. If any of these serious problems do occur, call a doctor or get the person to a doctor right away. Tell your doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when the polio vaccine was given. not to mention paralysis just so you keep your shots uptodate....hahahahah. LOL
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CDC says vccine permannt injury is one in a million . nice way to downplay the side effects so they can immortalize the vaccines

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You copied all that from Natural News, naturally didn't you. Bravo, that alone debunks you right off the bat! And how can any anti vaxxier site the Lancet??!! India still uses the oral vaccine, the States and Canada does not so none of the above info means anything to parents in other countries who use the inactive polio.

Come on back when you're ready for more debunking.

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Notice paralysis isn't one of them.

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Looks like some trolls did NOT get the memo that the medical profession have classified Aspergers as being part of the Autism Spectrum.
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http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/asperger/d... Asperger syndrome (AS) is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), one of a distinct group of complex neurodevelopment disorders characterized by social impairment, communication difficulties, and restrictive, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior. Other ASDs include autistic disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (usually referred to as PDD-NOS).
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http://www.livescience.com/37333-dsm-asperger... Until May 22, with the official release of the DSM-5, Asperger's was considered related to but distinct from autism. DSM-5 contains a new disorder that replaces both the old autistic disorder and Asperger's: It is called autism spectrum disorder.

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Leave it to an anti vaxxer to attack another who has a disability, and at the same time be so uneducated. As if they are one to talk, acting like they are a speaker for autism society!

Being that diagnosis are based on the DSM, any number of those diagnosed with aspergers could actually really have autism or something else all together. The DSM is not a biological medical test and the margin for error is great and proven. And again, regression or not makes no difference to an autism diagnosis, as long as it presents prior or before the age of 3. If you have autism, manner of onset doesn't matter. Regression doesn't make it worse nor is it proven to have a cause. It's also a misconception that those with autism are all non verbal.

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I did google it, but choose not to read anti vaxxer biased sites, which is where you got your info from. The low-cost Indian vaccine industry exports vaccines to 150 countries. Bill Gates has nothing to do with that polio vaccine. His efforts are measles, hepatitis B, rotavirus however India is quite capable of producing their own vaccines and it's that country whose Government hasn't gone to the inactive vaccine. Do you even know what non -polio acute flaccid paralysis is??
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I did google it, but choose not to read anti vaxxer biased sites, which is where you got your info from. The low-cost Indian vaccine industry exports vaccines to 150 countries. Bill Gates has nothing to do with that polio vaccine. His efforts are measles, hepatitis B, rotavirus however India is quite capable of producing their own vaccines and it's that country whose Government hasn't gone to the inactive vaccine. Do you even know what non -polio acute flaccid paralysis is??
. for you any real life vaccination side effect, you call it antivaxxer. dont forget the Antivaxxers were not born, but are grown right after observing or living unsafe vaccine side effect.

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Don't forget you have no proof of your claims and the use of scare tactics such as the oral polio vaccines that cheap countries decide to use has nothing to do with the USA or Canada and many other countries. And you're right, anti vaxxer were not born, they were created when they joined a cult.

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Leave it to an anti vaxxer to attack another who has a disability, and at the same time be so uneducated. As if they are one to talk, acting like they are a speaker for autism society!
Being that diagnosis are based on the DSM, any number of those diagnosed with aspergers could actually really have autism or something else all together. The DSM is not a biological medical test and the margin for error is great and proven. And again, regression or not makes no difference to an autism diagnosis, as long as it presents prior or before the age of 3. If you have autism, manner of onset doesn't matter. Regression doesn't make it worse nor is it proven to have a cause. It's also a misconception that those with autism are all non verbal.
I don't consider HFA to be a disability. I instead realize that it is a part of my personality. IF I was to even get disability payments or even a placard for my car. I would qualify for the fact that I can not walk unassisted due to a bad back and bad ankles. I have to use a cane and braces due to those facts. But I refuse to get them. Though due to the fact it is getting harder and harder to move about, I might have to put my pride aside and go apply for it.
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Learning that I have it explains several things. One of them is why I was found to have college levels in word comprehension in the various grades when I was tested with that Peabody Word Test that some teachers used.
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As well as why I ended up with the jobs I did when I had a full time job. As in repairing other folks' mistakes along with other things I ended up doing.
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And the tests for kids on the autism scale is a general set of tests. It isn't till much later that the kids are found to be where they are on the spectrum.

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