A mother's vaccine journey

A mother's vaccine journey

There are 228 comments on the StarTribune story from Mar 26, 2011, titled A mother's vaccine journey. In it, StarTribune reports that:

Hodan Hassan of Minneapolis understands why some parents are afraid to have their children vaccinated.

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Ray

Laval, Canada

#132 Sep 22, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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Autism is NOT a disease. One can cure a disease. Autism can NOT be cured.
autism is a vaccination disease. there is also angelman, tourette, fragile x those are genetic which you are suffering from. which one was your kid disease
Ray

Laval, Canada

#133 Sep 22, 2013
Advancells wrote:
Autism is a scary disease, however there are ways to get rid of it. If you believe, stem cell treatment is the best way to stay healthy and get over autism. Why not try it?
autism is scary thats why people dont vaccinate or are very hesitant

cant blame the parents, i will choose the disease and its consequences prior to any manipulated unsafe vaccination

Since: Jan 07

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#134 Sep 22, 2013
What I said was, which vaccines are those that have adjuvants, because not all vaccines have it. You stated in post 82 "vaccines have many adjuvants". Not true, a single vaccine does not. Four vaccines never had adjuvants and you have yet to list what those are, and anti vaxxers have yet to admit adjuvants have been used in vaccines long before thimerosal ever was. So if it causes autism, it would had back in the 1920's. So come back and post as you know something.

And there has yet to be a vaccine pusher here. The only thing is, we're debunking your lies, which has nothing to do with telling anyone to get vaccines. Anti vaxxers deny deny deny the facts and make up their own. You're proof of that. Only a moron would bring up the flu vaccine, as well. Why don't you go ahead and tell us if that vaccine has an adjuvant, how many get the flu vaccine and why people still get the flu even if they've had the vaccine??!! Cant hardly wait to debunk that! And which childhood vaccines caused paralysis after vaccination???? And, the flu vaccine is optional on the childhood vaccine schedule. You're the one who is offering fear mongering.

And best of all, anti vaxxer attempt to diagnose other posters!

Debunked, again.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#135 Sep 22, 2013
Ray wrote:
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autism is a vaccination disease. there is also angelman, tourette, fragile x those are genetic which you are suffering from. which one was your kid disease
Listen lil boy.
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Both my daughter and I have High Functioning Autism. In our case, it is called Aspergers. I come from a long line of aspies. Many of whom were teachers and collage professors when they were alive.
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So I DO have knowledge of what I speak of when I point out about it being genetic. As well as I do talk to various medical personnel. Some of whom I'm related to. In fact a couple of them are in the same family that my aspergers comes from.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#136 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
What I said was, which vaccines are those that have adjuvants, because not all vaccines have it. You stated in post 82 "vaccines have many adjuvants". Not true, a single vaccine does not. Four vaccines never had adjuvants and you have yet to list what those are, and anti vaxxers have yet to admit adjuvants have been used in vaccines long before thimerosal ever was. So if it causes autism, it would had back in the 1920's. So come back and post as you know something.
And there has yet to be a vaccine pusher here. The only thing is, we're debunking your lies, which has nothing to do with telling anyone to get vaccines. Anti vaxxers deny deny deny the facts and make up their own. You're proof of that. Only a moron would bring up the flu vaccine, as well. Why don't you go ahead and tell us if that vaccine has an adjuvant, how many get the flu vaccine and why people still get the flu even if they've had the vaccine??!! Cant hardly wait to debunk that! And which childhood vaccines caused paralysis after vaccination???? And, the flu vaccine is optional on the childhood vaccine schedule. You're the one who is offering fear mongering.
And best of all, anti vaxxer attempt to diagnose other posters!
Debunked, again.
They also do not realize that the word 'Autism' has been around for over a hundred years. In fact it was coined in 1908 by Eugen Bleuler. DECADES before vaccines even came close to mercury and other substances in it to 'wash' the vaccines.
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As well as from studying the Table Talks by Martin Luther, Father of Lutheranism. Mr. Luther ran into a child who had autism. His suggestion was to 'cull' the child. Since to him, the child had demons in him.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#137 Sep 22, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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As well as those anti-vaxxers do NOT realize that the spectrum of autism has quite a few genetic links. The ant-vaxxers want to believe that everyone has perfect genes. And that everyone passes on those so called perfect genes.
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http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/15/new-gen... In one of the largest-ever studies of genetics and autism, researchers have identified 24 new gene variants associated with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). The work also confirms that 31 variants previously linked to the developmental disorder may serve as useful genetic markers for identifying those with the condition.
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http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/new... Autism isn't just frustrating for parents. It is frustrating for scientists too.
....There is clearly a genetic part to autism. It tends to run in families. And identical twins, who share the same genes, are much more likely to both have autism than are fraternal twins.
....So genes are involved. But it isn't easy to nail down what is going on genetically with autism.
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http://www.livescience.com/35520-many-genes-b... The researchers looked for genes that had "copy number variants" in people with autism . A cell normally has two of every gene: one copy that people inherit from their mother, and the other from their father. But often there are extra or missing copies, and anytime the total number varies from two, the person is said to have a copy number variant (CNV).
.....In comparing the genes of 1,224 children who had autism with those of 2,271 of their parents and of 3,801 children without autism, the researchers found nearly 800 CNVs unique to the children with autism.
.....Some of the variants were so rare they appeared in only one family.
Thanks DR DUH. OLD news that is based on observations. It does not prove all genes are inherited and not caused. But thanks for showing us you are not current or up to speed on this issue. Shows that with friend and riduh99 you truly are the 3 stooges
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#138 Sep 22, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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They also do not realize that the word 'Autism' has been around for over a hundred years. In fact it was coined in 1908 by Eugen Bleuler. DECADES before vaccines even came close to mercury and other substances in it to 'wash' the vaccines.
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As well as from studying the Table Talks by Martin Luther, Father of Lutheranism. Mr. Luther ran into a child who had autism. His suggestion was to 'cull' the child. Since to him, the child had demons in him.
Another dumbo who pretends there is no regressive autism an its all one condition.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#139 Sep 22, 2013
Those who suggest and agree that autism is a "scary disease" are those trying to either sell an unproven expensive medical treatment, and those who prohibit the abilities of those with autism because it then wont fit their claim of vaccine damage.

What is 'scary' is terminal diseases. The kind where a child no matter what, will die. There's nothing scary at all about a child, who has autism. They're not monsters or some medically defected being. They are children who with the right interventions have no bounds to their potential to succeed. Anti vaxxers and those going around many sites spamming stem cells will only hold the children around them from their potenial.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#140 Sep 22, 2013
"identified 24 new gene variants" January 5, 2013

"1,224 children who had autism with those of 2,271 of their parents and of 3,801 children without autism, the researchers found nearly 800 CNVs unique to the children with autism." 2011

Those are not observations. Nice try. They are findings. Neither suggest ALL genes are inherited, hello! Shows you are you're own stooge, and a debunked stooge at that.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#141 Sep 22, 2013
No one has denied regressive autism; they provide facts to your claims of cause which debunks you. And it's anti vaxxers who lump autism into a one size fits all and call it vaccine damage.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#142 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
No one has denied regressive autism; they provide facts to your claims of cause which debunks you. And it's anti vaxxers who lump autism into a one size fits all and call it vaccine damage.
Thing is, I know that autism is a SPECTRUM. That there is NO one form of it. Unlike these anti-vaxxers seem to think it is.
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It ranges from the high functioning to the most severe. And even there are spectrums at each point. From the barely affected to full blown cases.
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One way to see what I'm referring to. Have a box. Have a rainbow like red at the right and purple at the left in the bottom of the box. With the colours getting lighter as it proceeds up towards the top of that box.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#143 Sep 22, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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Thing is, I know that autism is a SPECTRUM. That there is NO one form of it. Unlike these anti-vaxxers seem to think it is.
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It ranges from the high functioning to the most severe. And even there are spectrums at each point. From the barely affected to full blown cases.
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One way to see what I'm referring to. Have a box. Have a rainbow like red at the right and purple at the left in the bottom of the box. With the colours getting lighter as it proceeds up towards the top of that box.
You're exactly correct. You have never implied otherwise that autism wasn't a spectrum.

What anti vaxxer fail to realize that regardless of onset, autism is a spectrum. Regressive autism hardly impacts anything be it far worse or far less a disorder. But if you believe McCarthy, as anti vaxxers do, then they'd believe a child will 'loose' autism as she claims her son did. Odd how anti vaxxer never mention THOSE 10k who have recovered!
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#144 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
Stem cell therapy is at best experimental, costly and controversial. There is no evidence stem cell therapy will 'get rid' of autism, but there is great evidence it will deplete your bank account.
I would have bet cash you believe it. You believe all the other crapola.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#146 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
Those who suggest and agree that autism is a "scary disease" are those trying to either sell an unproven expensive medical treatment, and those who prohibit the abilities of those with autism because it then wont fit their claim of vaccine damage.
What is 'scary' is terminal diseases. The kind where a child no matter what, will die. There's nothing scary at all about a child, who has autism. They're not monsters or some medically defected being. They are children who with the right interventions have no bounds to their potential to succeed. Anti vaxxers and those going around many sites spamming stem cells will only hold the children around them from their potenial.
garbage
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#147 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
"identified 24 new gene variants" January 5, 2013
"1,224 children who had autism with those of 2,271 of their parents and of 3,801 children without autism, the researchers found nearly 800 CNVs unique to the children with autism." 2011
Those are not observations. Nice try. They are findings. Neither suggest ALL genes are inherited, hello! Shows you are you're own stooge, and a debunked stooge at that.
observations and findings are the same thing fool. So children with autism have mutations and have some similar mutations. BUT each has mutations others don't have indicating injury on an individual basis. we also only have 20 percent or less with inherited autism and as much as 97 percent without inheritance. I know Sangelia, friend and ricDUH99 are all going to ignore these "FINDINGS" and instead will say DUH over and over, cause that's all they have is ignorance and stupidity.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#148 Sep 22, 2013
friend wrote:
No one has denied regressive autism; they provide facts to your claims of cause which debunks you. And it's anti vaxxers who lump autism into a one size fits all and call it vaccine damage.
Translation?
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#149 Sep 22, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
Thing is, I know that autism is a SPECTRUM. That there is NO one form of it. Unlike these anti-vaxxers seem to think it is.
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It ranges from the high functioning to the most severe. And even there are spectrums at each point. From the barely affected to full blown cases.
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One way to see what I'm referring to. Have a box. Have a rainbow like red at the right and purple at the left in the bottom of the box. With the colours getting lighter as it proceeds up towards the top of that box.
Its not a spectrum its simply levels of vaccine damage.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#151 Sep 22, 2013
Observations and findings are not the same. Observations rely only what is seen and the persons opinion of it. Findings rely on factual actual finding of 'something' with evidence to back it up. A conclusion reached after examination or investigation.
Now look who the fool is and again, debunked.
You have yet to offer any such findings to back up your claims.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#153 Sep 22, 2013
As always, all attacks and no evidence.
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#154 Sep 23, 2013
It seems that the Winnipeg dummy is now admitting that he is so uneducated that he doesn't know the difference between 'observations' and 'findings'.

Dictionary definitions:-

Observations: Things that you notice by watching and listening.

Findings: The results of an investigation.

Perhaps they should bring back the dunce's cap in Winnipeg, and we all know who should be the first to wear it.

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