Do You Believe in an Autism/Vaccination Link?

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

Some of the 1,056 Connecticut children vaccination exemptions from last year were related to parental worry that these vaccines could be linked to autism and other health problems in children, according to the Associated Press .

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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Sep 5, 2012
Well now we all know why the Vaccine Court keeps being brought up. It's coming from McCarthy and Generation Rescue as if no one ever knew vaccines carried risks.
"proof lays squarely on the claimant. In other words, a family must show a clear causal connection between a vaccination and its adverse effects."
Of course Generation Rescue has this slightly wrong.

What it actually is: "preponderance-of-the-evi dence standard, is to show that causation was more likely than not."

And let's not over look yet another study about the MMR listed here which discounts it causing autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22521285
LynneB

New Haven, CT

#2 Sep 5, 2012
Well, there really is NO evidence of a connection between autism and vaccines; however there IS a connection between autism and the age of the father of the child. Seems the older the father, the more chance of the child being autistic. Although in my day, kids that showed some mild signs of autism were classified as "socially awkward".

Here's an article about it:

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428914/t...
Bertrand

Newtown, CT

#3 Sep 5, 2012
Or we can just say "They have NO idea what causes Autism..They have serveal guesses but no definitive diagnosis"..What we do have is Opinions that have loosed a storm of Lawyers that see a chance to score big bucks preying on this lack of facts coupled with parents desperation for their children...The only ones that get anywhere are the Lawyers as they signal to health care professionals and researchers..if you say it MIGHT BE or MIGHT HELP..Prepare to pay millions to us for damages...and oh yeah,..you parents..good luck with the kid..next case..

Since: Jan 07

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#4 Sep 5, 2012
That is true, the diagnosis of autism cant be a definitive diagnosis unless there is a known cause, which allows for a misdiagnosis all the time. The autism rates increased by a few things; IDEA and adding PDD-NOS. Now what you get on these forums is lawyers seem to have given up on the vaccine theory nd went on to sue the makers of Zoloft for the cause of autism.

They do have some idea what does cause autism for some, and they do know there is no evidence to back up the vaccine theory, or why would anti vaxxers like Generation rescue inflate the amount of vaccines given to children. They have no studies to back them, so they go the route of leading others to assume a ton of vaccines must then cause autism is evidence enough.
No you are

Astoria, NY

#5 Sep 5, 2012
friend wrote:
That is true, the diagnosis of autism cant be a definitive diagnosis unless there is a known cause, which allows for a misdiagnosis all the time. The autism rates increased by a few things; IDEA and adding PDD-NOS. Now what you get on these forums is lawyers seem to have given up on the vaccine theory nd went on to sue the makers of Zoloft for the cause of autism.
They do have some idea what does cause autism for some, and they do know there is no evidence to back up the vaccine theory, or why would anti vaxxers like Generation rescue inflate the amount of vaccines given to children. They have no studies to back them, so they go the route of leading others to assume a ton of vaccines must then cause autism is evidence enough.
I have a question, while vaccines don't cause autism, how do you explain the cases where the parents have said their child was fine until they got the vaccine? That's what I don't understand. Could it be a type of rare reaction to it?

Since: Jan 07

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#6 Sep 5, 2012
Hard to say. I wasn't there to see a reaction of someone else's child. Take Jenny McCarthy for instance. Her son might of had a vaccine reaction, her accounts have different versions so it's hard to know which would be accurate or acted. He was diagnosed with epilepsy and Landau-Kleffner syndrome. McCarthy then found Sear's to diagnose autism. Did vaccines cause any of it? Does he really have autism?

There are known side effects and reactions to vaccines. My mother knew about that when she was a kid. Some children get high fevers after a vaccine. Is that autism or is that fever induced brain damage? is Encephalitis just Encephalitis or is that autism, too? Will, or is every vaccine reaction going to be called autism?

Parents accounts are often emotionally based and lack important facts. I myself wouldn't rely on cases of what a parent said for much of anything, but that is me. None of them can tell you why their child and not many others. They cant tell you why more boys than girls. I can say for my child, he didn't get vaccines at birth and his autism presented prior to any vaccines. Of the vaccines he's had, he never had an abnormal reaction and they never made his autism worse. Would or should anyone base choices off of me? No. Fact is, here's plenty of large studies done on many different vaccines that points away as it being a cause of autism.
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#7 Sep 5, 2012
I believe vaccines are one of the probable causes. I do believe there are many. An unborn child is a very fragile biological being. Exposure, or repeated exposure to things that we as adults would consider a slight irritant, could be something that would scar an embryo. Yes I'm refferring to water contaminants. If you drink a glass of water with the State limit of a chemical contaminant in it, how long will it take to flush that out? If you drink a second glass of the same water, you will then be over the State limit. Ct. has twice the national average of Breast Cancer. Look at Long Island as well, very high ratio. Most of Long Island is actually built on landfill, no records, so how can you prove it? Another State trick is to give you a water test that says "We found nothing". The way this is done is that nothing is counted, shown, registered or acknowledged until it reaches 0.5 Mg per Litre, or about golf ball size. Some of these chemicals will really harm you at 0.0001 part per litre. See the movie "Mann vs. Ford" so you can really understand what I mean. If it will rot your gut at that level, what does it do to the unborn? The D.E.P. has been hiding and flat out removing paperwork that names and locates landfills in this state, yes they shredded a LOT of files to hide stuff. Blumenthal and McKinney have been leaders in these crimes. Blumenthal as A.G. and McKinney as State Chair of the Environmental Commitee. McKinney has gone as far as to say he had never even heard of the Cappoziellos, the people who brought you Mt. Trashmore and the ones Blumenthal pulled tens of millions of dollars in clean-up suits out of the courts. Find a cure? How about wiping it out? like Polio. Prevent it from even happenning. Not just with Autism ,but almost every cancer going. Look at Stamfords Schofield Town Road area. Landfill up the street they would not admit was in the water, and many new cancers added to the medical books. A start would be to charge Blumenthal, McKinney and many who work in the D.E.P. with the crimes they have committed, then start cleaning up the buried piles of garbage, demolition debris, medical waste, toxic chemicals and asbestos. Save the Ta-Tas!! We need healthy kids.

Since: Jul 12

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#8 Sep 5, 2012
#7 has many interesting comments.
Cambria Jenkins

Nicholasville, KY

#9 Sep 5, 2012
I am a person with autism who does not believe in the autism/vacine link for several reasons:

1) Andrew Wakefield's study results were not duplicated in similar tests.
2) Most parental accounts in which the link is believed are anecdotal at best.
3) I have discussed with my mother the presence of autistic behaviors in both her and my father, as well as my late Aunt Margaret.
4) I was born on July 17, 1977. I received the MMR vaccine. At the time of my diagnosis, at age 3, autism was rarely diagnosed.

Unrelated facts about me:

1) My father was 25 at the time of my conception, and my mother was 27.
2) Neither my older sister nor my two younger brothers have autism.
3) My family and I have struggled and worked to minimize and manage all the symptoms of autism I had.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#10 Sep 5, 2012
No you are wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a question, while vaccines don't cause autism, how do you explain the cases where the parents have said their child was fine until they got the vaccine? That's what I don't understand. Could it be a type of rare reaction to it?
Of course it is. its an eye witness account. Its ignored because those who push vaccines have media and law enforcement and government on that side. Parents have been reporting this for decades and thats the reason people fear vaccines, because they read about Pharma deaths like MERCK'S VIOXX killing between 55,000 and 250,000 and no criminal charges laid. This is crime against humanity that is ignored and parents recognize that the Pharmafia gets away with murder literally.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#11 Sep 5, 2012
Cambria Jenkins wrote:
I am a person with autism who does not believe in the autism/vacine link for several reasons:
1) Andrew Wakefield's study results were not duplicated in similar tests.
2) Most parental accounts in which the link is believed are anecdotal at best.
3) I have discussed with my mother the presence of autistic behaviors in both her and my father, as well as my late Aunt Margaret.
4) I was born on July 17, 1977. I received the MMR vaccine. At the time of my diagnosis, at age 3, autism was rarely diagnosed.
Unrelated facts about me:
1) My father was 25 at the time of my conception, and my mother was 27.
2) Neither my older sister nor my two younger brothers have autism.
3) My family and I have struggled and worked to minimize and manage all the symptoms of autism I had.
Very weak evidence. It would never convince me.

Since: Jan 07

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#12 Sep 6, 2012
CTM wrote:
I believe vaccines are one of the probable causes. I do believe there are many. An unborn child is a very fragile biological being. Exposure, or repeated exposure to things that we as adults would consider a slight irritant, could be something that would scar an embryo. Yes I'm refferring to water contaminants. If you drink a glass of water with the State limit of a chemical contaminant in it, how long will it take to flush that out? If you drink a second glass of the same water, you will then be over the State limit. Ct. has twice the national average of Breast Cancer. Look at Long Island as well, very high ratio. Most of Long Island is actually built on landfill, no records, so how can you prove it? Another State trick is to give you a water test that says "We found nothing". The way this is done is that nothing is counted, shown, registered or acknowledged until it reaches 0.5 Mg per Litre, or about golf ball size. Some of these chemicals will really harm you at 0.0001 part per litre. See the movie "Mann vs. Ford" so you can really understand what I mean. If it will rot your gut at that level, what does it do to the unborn? The D.E.P. has been hiding and flat out removing paperwork that names and locates landfills in this state, yes they shredded a LOT of files to hide stuff. Blumenthal and McKinney have been leaders in these crimes. Blumenthal as A.G. and McKinney as State Chair of the Environmental Commitee. McKinney has gone as far as to say he had never even heard of the Cappoziellos, the people who brought you Mt. Trashmore and the ones Blumenthal pulled tens of millions of dollars in clean-up suits out of the courts. Find a cure? How about wiping it out? like Polio. Prevent it from even happenning. Not just with Autism ,but almost every cancer going. Look at Stamfords Schofield Town Road area. Landfill up the street they would not admit was in the water, and many new cancers added to the medical books. A start would be to charge Blumenthal, McKinney and many who work in the D.E.P. with the crimes they have committed, then start cleaning up the buried piles of garbage, demolition debris, medical waste, toxic chemicals and asbestos. Save the Ta-Tas!! We need healthy kids.
There's probably trash buried since way back to the first settlers. That's what people did. Does water quality play a part in causing autism? Maybe. Every day people toss old RX's in the trash every day and a bunch of other stuff they shouldn't. Does water quality play a part in cancer? Off topic.
No you are

Astoria, NY

#13 Sep 6, 2012
friend wrote:
Hard to say. I wasn't there to see a reaction of someone else's child. Take Jenny McCarthy for instance. Her son might of had a vaccine reaction, her accounts have different versions so it's hard to know which would be accurate or acted. He was diagnosed with epilepsy and Landau-Kleffner syndrome. McCarthy then found Sear's to diagnose autism. Did vaccines cause any of it? Does he really have autism?
There are known side effects and reactions to vaccines. My mother knew about that when she was a kid. Some children get high fevers after a vaccine. Is that autism or is that fever induced brain damage? is Encephalitis just Encephalitis or is that autism, too? Will, or is every vaccine reaction going to be called autism?
Parents accounts are often emotionally based and lack important facts. I myself wouldn't rely on cases of what a parent said for much of anything, but that is me. None of them can tell you why their child and not many others. They cant tell you why more boys than girls. I can say for my child, he didn't get vaccines at birth and his autism presented prior to any vaccines. Of the vaccines he's had, he never had an abnormal reaction and they never made his autism worse. Would or should anyone base choices off of me? No. Fact is, here's plenty of large studies done on many different vaccines that points away as it being a cause of autism.
Thank you. The same can be said of my nephew, the signs were there very early. He's also a twin and his sibling does not have autism.
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#14 Sep 6, 2012
friend wrote:
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There's probably trash buried since way back to the first settlers. That's what people did. Does water quality play a part in causing autism? Maybe. Every day people toss old RX's in the trash every day and a bunch of other stuff they shouldn't. Does water quality play a part in cancer? Off topic.
Wow, are you just stubborn in your opinion or are you friends of the dumpers? I don't think you fully read or understand what I referred to. This is dumping within the last 20 years. Continual, criminal, unchecked, breaking State Waste and Health laws. The D.E.P. has been shredding dumpsite documents of large illegal dumps in neighborhoods that drink from their wells. Blumenthal dismissed so many clean-up suits after he took office, I doubt I found half. McKinney and Wassermann took a million bucks each from the state and town of Newtown to cover up illegal toxic chemical dumping on Apple Blossom road. New Milford had so much stuff dumped they gave the town 12 Million bucks, for dumping about 175 million, that was cheap. And everyone is drinking water from all these dumps. See the movie "Mann vs. Ford" to get a clue. If toxins at 0.0001 % can rot out peoples guts, what do you think it could do to an embryo?

Since: Jan 07

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#15 Sep 6, 2012
It's not stubborn on my end and thanks for the accusations. Now, not only am I working for that pharma, I'm now friends with the dumpers. Classic!
1) Your theory wouldn't prove for every state; you're talking about CT.
2) Although what you're talking about poses many possible health issues, this is about vaccines and autism, not your rant about dumping garbage and drinking water.
Vaccines Cause Narcolepsy

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 Sep 6, 2012
No you are wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. The same can be said of my nephew, the signs were there very early. He's also a twin and his sibling does not have autism.
Shows its not genetic then
Vaccines Cause Narcolepsy

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Sep 6, 2012
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, are you just stubborn in your opinion or are you friends of the dumpers? I don't think you fully read or understand what I referred to. This is dumping within the last 20 years. Continual, criminal, unchecked, breaking State Waste and Health laws. The D.E.P. has been shredding dumpsite documents of large illegal dumps in neighborhoods that drink from their wells. Blumenthal dismissed so many clean-up suits after he took office, I doubt I found half. McKinney and Wassermann took a million bucks each from the state and town of Newtown to cover up illegal toxic chemical dumping on Apple Blossom road. New Milford had so much stuff dumped they gave the town 12 Million bucks, for dumping about 175 million, that was cheap. And everyone is drinking water from all these dumps. See the movie "Mann vs. Ford" to get a clue. If toxins at 0.0001 % can rot out peoples guts, what do you think it could do to an embryo?
She's friend of PHARMA. Stubborn in that she will not concede vaccines cause anything. Dumping chemicals in one place doesn't explain the world wide autism phenomenon. Only one thing can be said to be worldwide and given to most children, vaccines. Parents of these children give the best possible eyewittness account, but its given no weight and those who cause autism are vaccine pushers who don't want to admit commiting this horrendous crime.

Since: Jan 07

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#18 Sep 6, 2012
But I have said many many times vaccines have risks, all medicines and preventions do. Don't mistake that for evidence vaccines cause autism. They are two very different topics.
Winnipeg Canada just ignores what people say and then makes unfounded claims about them. He's too busy changing his name and attacking others to deflect the topic.

Since: Jan 07

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#19 Sep 6, 2012
Vaccine schedules world-wide are not the same, nor always the same vaccines. If the most common thing is to be the cause, then one could say the most common thing all children would share is air and water, which would be a more consistent than vaccines.
CTM

Sandy Hook, CT

#20 Sep 6, 2012
Yes, the medical field is a much more closed community than one would think. From their point of view they must cover their butts against every chicken little with an ambulance chasing malpractice attorney that wants to set a new settlement record. Insurance companies that sell that malpractice insurance want to raise the already sky-high rates whenever a patient gets an extra sniffle so they must weed out these profit seekers who want to retire on some poor doctors stained reputation. With hungry lawyers on all sides, they've gotten pretty good at it. They have gotten so good at it that the truly harmed are called frauds. "The greater good" is another cloak that is used to justify the continued use of a product that harms. "Just what kind of exposure are we talking about here?" Is the leading question to how much will have to be paid out vs. how much profit will be made. Can we still make money if we lose a few cases? Vaccines are a huge profit maker for probably all pharmacuetcical companies, so they have their lawyers just for that. Special studies to show what they want you you to see. It's some really rich guys that want to stay that way feeding you a bunch of crap so they don't have to take responsibility for those harmed. And it's the same game the D.E.P. gives for every landfill they don't want to clean up. Go have another fundraiser for childhood cancer, and again give all the money to the pharms to "Find A Cure". A lot of dumping, new dumping, is happening here in Ct. and causing all sorts of things. Take the Schofield Town Rd. area in Stamford as an example, new cancers in the medical journals there. And the kids have problems. I saw the scariest bumper sticker in Newtown/Bethel area. "Autism strikes one in every 100 children, I have two of them." I am asking that the polluted drinking water also be seen as a cause since the rate has gone up as more debris rots in the ground.

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