Autism: Identity or Disability?

Oct 21, 2013 Full story: Seattle 21

Redmond resident Sara Gardner always knew she was different. She graduated second in her high school class, but had very few friends.

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ric99

Spalding, UK

#2 Oct 23, 2013
Yet more rubbish from the Winnipeg dummy, either showing that his reading ability or powers of comprehension are abysmal, by claiming that vaccinated children had been 'left out of the study'. In the Danish study, out of 738 kids diagnosed with ASDs, 608 were vaccinated and 130 were not vaccinated.

Also, the anti-vaxx/conspiracy theory site that the Winnipeg dummy has linked to states that 'only kids up to 4 years old were included in the study, when Danish diagnosis of ASDs only occurs at age 5 or over'. This is more rubbish, as the study gives the numbers of kids diagnosed at age ranges of less than 2 years, 3 to 5 years, and over 6 years. This clearly indicates that the greenhealthwatch aqnti-vaxx site has distorted the facts.

The Winnipeg dummy has been debunked yet again.

Since: Jan 07

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#3 Oct 23, 2013
Did you take a look at the references??? Notice how all the references don't include the title, and have only one or 2 authors name?? Let's just look at one, for instance "Stott,C et al. Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons 2004;9(3):89-91". You're just going to love this.... That actually is the Commentary MMR and Autism in Perspective: the Denmark Story by Carol Stott, Ph.D.; Mark Blaxill; wait for it.... AND Andrew J.Wakefield .....
BAWAHAHAHAHA!!! And that's what the link is basing that eightfold on!! BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!! A Commentary!!!!

Anti vaxxers will believe anything. Greenhealthwatch is bogus and demomstrates again anti vaxxers expect people to believe them at face value and bank on no one will research their info. Sorry pal, the Denmark Study still is valid research and no matter how hard anti vaxxers try to abuse a study, they just cant get past this Denmark study.

Let's count how many times anti vaxxers will spam this link, showing they took this at face value and they don't even know the content of the Denmark study! Winnipeg's spammed it about 3 or 4 times so far!

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friend of BS

Winnipeg, Canada

#6 Oct 24, 2013
friend wrote:
Did you take a look at the references??? Notice how all the references don't include the title, and have only one or 2 authors name?? Let's just look at one, for instance "Stott,C et al. Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons 2004;9(3):89-91". You're just going to love this.... That actually is the Commentary MMR and Autism in Perspective: the Denmark Story by Carol Stott, Ph.D.; Mark Blaxill; wait for it.... AND Andrew J.Wakefield .....
BAWAHAHAHAHA!!! And that's what the link is basing that eightfold on!! BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!! A Commentary!!!!
Anti vaxxers will believe anything. Greenhealthwatch is bogus and demomstrates again anti vaxxers expect people to believe them at face value and bank on no one will research their info. Sorry pal, the Denmark Study still is valid research and no matter how hard anti vaxxers try to abuse a study, they just cant get past this Denmark study.
Let's count how many times anti vaxxers will spam this link, showing they took this at face value and they don't even know the content of the Denmark study! Winnipeg's spammed it about 3 or 4 times so far!
OH look friend has all these accusations and claims this and that...where's your proof? OH yeah, you have none. NUFF SAID
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#7 Oct 24, 2013
The best funny of Thursday from the Winnipeg dummy. He's now claiming that when the Danish study states that of the 738 kids included in the study, who had been diagnosed with ASD, 608 had been vaccinated, this actually means that the vaccinated kids had been left out of the study.

We can only assume that big numbers like 608 are too much for his single damaged brain cell to understand. In other words the Winnipeg dummy believes that 608 = 0. Is this what anti-vaxxitis does to the brain?
Talk About DUH

Winnipeg, Canada

#8 Oct 24, 2013
ric99 wrote:
The best funny of Thursday from the Winnipeg dummy. He's now claiming that when the Danish study states that of the 738 kids included in the study, who had been diagnosed with ASD, 608 had been vaccinated, this actually means that the vaccinated kids had been left out of the study.
We can only assume that big numbers like 608 are too much for his single damaged brain cell to understand. In other words the Winnipeg dummy believes that 608 = 0. Is this what anti-vaxxitis does to the brain?
Where did I use those numbers simpleton? How about NEVER? That distorted brain cell is malfunctioning again. Comedy Central direct from the UK
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#9 Oct 24, 2013
No, the Winnipeg dummy didn't use those numbers because they were too big for him to understand, but he did claim that the vaccinated kids had been left out of the Danish study (see post #1), when the study clearly stated (for those capable of reading) that 608 out of the 738 kids with autism included in the study were vaccinated. So where is his evidence that the vaccinated kids were left out of the study? There is none, as usual.

I suppose we have to feel sorry for the Winnipeg dummy, as his reading skills are clearly less than those of the average 2 year old.
ricDUH99 LIES

Winnipeg, Canada

#10 Oct 25, 2013
ric99 wrote:
No, the Winnipeg dummy didn't use those numbers because they were too big for him to understand, but he did claim that the vaccinated kids had been left out of the Danish study (see post #1), when the study clearly stated (for those capable of reading) that 608 out of the 738 kids with autism included in the study were vaccinated. So where is his evidence that the vaccinated kids were left out of the study? There is none, as usual.
I suppose we have to feel sorry for the Winnipeg dummy, as his reading skills are clearly less than those of the average 2 year old.
Having trouble keeping your lies straight? UK blah BLAH and single brain cell comprehension issues.
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#11 Oct 26, 2013
The information that I presented, concerning the number of VACCINATED kids with ASDs included in the study (608), came straight from the Danish study, so where are the lies? There are no lies, and anybody can check it.

The information(?) that the Winnipeg dummy presents comes straight from his warped mind, and consists of what he wants to believe is true, so stating that: "THE DANISH STUDY was rigged by leaving out vaccinated children" (Post #1) is a pure lie. Where is his evidence? THERE IS NONE as usual.
ricDUH99

Winnipeg, Canada

#12 Oct 26, 2013
BIG PHARMA KACHING wrote:
Vaccine victim what else http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/n... read how THE DANISH STUDY was rigged by leaving out vaccinated children
read buffoon
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#13 Oct 26, 2013
The Winnipeg dummy is too stupid to realize that the 'greenhealthwatch' site is an anti-vaxx/conspiracy theory site, which claims things about the Danish study that can clearly be seen to be untrue by anyone who actually reads the Danish study. The REAL Danish study includes results for 263 vaccinated kids with autistic disorder, and 345 vaccinated kids with other autistic spectrum disorders (see Table 2 of the study), making a grand total of 608 vaccinated kids with ASDs. By no stretch of even the Winnipeg dummy's warped imagination can including 608 vaccinated kids be described as "leaving out vaccinated children".

Perhaps the Winnipeg dummy should actually READ the Danish study, and not just make unfounded "junk science" remarks, with no evidence for doing so.

Fortunately the vast majority of the world's population regard the mumblings of anti-vaxxers like the Winnipeg dummy as a total joke.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#14 Oct 26, 2013
Winnipeg doesn't read any of the links he provides, he's a title reader. His link from 'greenhealthwatch' sites title is "MMR vaccination - eightfold autism risk". He clearly didn't research the contents or he wouldn't had provided it. But that's what anti vaxxers bank on, people believing contents at face value/ title and Winnipeg keeps demonstrating it nicely. Those who are not anti vaxxers do not take any thing at face value. The only thing you can bank on is when one points out the fraud, any and all anti vaxxer always resorts to insults and name calling. It'd be far less effort to just type "oops"!
No matter, any real science he calls trash and his debunked link is so off topic to this article anyway.
ric99

Louth, UK

#18 Oct 27, 2013
Need we ask what evidence the Winnipeg dummy has for his accusations of the Danish study leaving out vaccinated kids? None of course. Even as an anti-vaxxer, he really is a joke.
ricDUH99

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Oct 27, 2013
ric99 wrote:
Need we ask what evidence the Winnipeg dummy has for his accusations of the Danish study leaving out vaccinated kids? None of course. Even as an anti-vaxxer, he really is a joke.
its been provided imbecile. Can't stand to acknowlege it just like friend of duh moments. Must suck being a moron.
ric99

Spilsby, UK

#20 Oct 28, 2013
Clearly the Winnipeg dummy hasn't examined Table 2 of the Danish study, which specifically lists the "Relative Risk of Autistic Disorder and of Other Autistic Spectrum Disorders in Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children". I suppose that tables of numbers would be beyond the comprehension capability of a school dunce like the Winnipeg dummy.

In fact nowhere in the Winnipeg dummy's link to the debunked 'greenhealthwatch' site even does it say that vaccinated kids had been left out of the study, so he hasn't even comprehended what was stated in his own link. There is clearly no hope for him.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#21 Oct 28, 2013
Winnipeg is still hoping him just saying 'duh' works. Maybe to him, that is what evidence is.
Botton line, anti vaxxers make many intentional unfounded claims. The Denmark study has not been debunked, they don't even know who the author was of the study, and no one has been found guilty who was invloved with the study and anti vaxxer stillhave no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
frienDUH

Winnipeg, Canada

#22 Oct 28, 2013
ric99 wrote:
Clearly the Winnipeg dummy hasn't examined Table 2 of the Danish study, which specifically lists the "Relative Risk of Autistic Disorder and of Other Autistic Spectrum Disorders in Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children". I suppose that tables of numbers would be beyond the comprehension capability of a school dunce like the Winnipeg dummy.
In fact nowhere in the Winnipeg dummy's link to the debunked 'greenhealthwatch' site even does it say that vaccinated kids had been left out of the study, so he hasn't even comprehended what was stated in his own link. There is clearly no hope for him.
What an imbecile. It say in the first paragraph kids aged 5 and over weren't included and that age 5 is the most likely age to receive an autism diagnosis. ricDUH99 either can't read, comprehend, or stop himself from lying, or posting stool samples full of duhisms.
frienDUH

Winnipeg, Canada

#23 Oct 28, 2013
friend wrote:
Winnipeg is still hoping him just saying 'duh' works. Maybe to him, that is what evidence is.
Botton line, anti vaxxers make many intentional unfounded claims. The Denmark study has not been debunked, they don't even know who the author was of the study, and no one has been found guilty who was invloved with the study and anti vaxxer stillhave no evidence that vaccines cause autism.
the DUHISM de jour

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#24 Oct 28, 2013
Actually, it's the 2nd patagraph of the your debunked link that states that however, of the Denmark study itself, the tables clearly show age of ASD diagnosis and the earliest is age 14 months. The Denmark study includes ages 14 months to 5 years old however, the age group of which an ASD diagnosis was given the most was age 15-19 months. Age 14 months all the way to the age of 5 within the denmark study shows diagnosis.

Thanks again for debunking your link and demonstrating how actually reading the study being abused by anti vaxxers will show where the misconception is. It's an anti vaxxer out right lie Denmark didn't diagnose until after the age of 5.
The Denmark study clearly shows children being daignosed with autism at the age of 14 months on up.
ric99

Brigg, UK

#25 Oct 28, 2013
Friend has shown further proof that the Winnipeg dummy either hasn't read the Danish study, or is too dim to comprehend it. To add more detail to what friend posted, Table 1 shows that:-
80 vaccinated kids were diagnosed with ASDs at age 2 years or less.
389 vaccinated kids were diagnosed with ASDs at age 3 to 5 years.
152 vaccinated kids were diagnosed with ASDs at age 6 years or over.

So much for vaccinated kids not being included, or kids aged 5 and over not being included, or Danish kids not being diagnosed with autism below the age of 5. The Winnipeg dummy should learn to read, and stop being the school dunce.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#28 Oct 29, 2013
That's what all anti vaxxers say when they've been debunked.
The one link from the anti vaxxer site, of either Denmark studies, they keep calling Poul Thorsen, MD the lead author. He was not, nor has he been found guilty.
Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, M.D. was the lead author of both studies and Thorsen's role within the study had no role in the results or findings. You'd think anti vaxxers would be happy the man spent the CDC funds! Fact is, the only one who was ever found guilty is Wakefield. Bummer.
Another example of abusing a study and misleading others.

Nice try and thanks for more links to debunk. It was great fun.

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