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Is It True That Andrew Wakefield's Research Never Claimed Vaccines Cause Autism?

There are 26 comments on the I Speak of Dreams story from Jan 31, 2014, titled Is It True That Andrew Wakefield's Research Never Claimed Vaccines Cause Autism?. In it, I Speak of Dreams reports that:

"We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.

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Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jan 31, 2014
The thing that has started thanks to the fraudulent paper of wakefield is that areas that used to be without break outs of diseases. They are now seeing breakouts of things that are normally contained by vaccines.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/measles-outbrea... An outbreak of measles tied to a Texas megachurch where ministers have questioned vaccination has sickened at least 21 people, including a 4-month-old infant -- and its expected to grow, state and federal health officials said.
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This is a map of outbreaks of some of the illnesses that are normally routinely vaccinated against. These show the pockets of those not immunized, getting sick from the diseases. And you can see it by year to year. And it is growing in numbers the outbreaks due to parents refusing to protect their kids from these diseases.
http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Ma...

Since: Jan 07

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#2 Jan 31, 2014
It is true-ish. Wakefield had a clear agenda, and more than one agenda. The study itself was about colitis-'investigated a consecutive series of children with chronic enterocolitis and regressive developmental disorder' however, all the 12 children were clients of the same attorneys of who funded the study and the study itself named the MMR vaccine and 'behavioral problems'. Wakefield didn't outright state the MMR autism cause, but he also never outright denied it. And of course ask any anti vaxxer what the study was really about! Think the rest of the world didn't figure it out as well??!! Wakefield manipulated his research of the children and the results. And let's not forget one of the 12 children whose bowels were perforated in more than 12 places as a result of Wakefield, has left him more damaged than he was from any possible vaccine. Due to that botched colonoscopy, the child suffered a swollen brain and neurological problems. He has also developed epilepsy and suffered stomach ulcers. That child was the age of 5 at the time. Wakefield's motive was the money he gained from those attorneys and his plan for a single measles vaccine.

The one thing Wakefield nor anti vaxxers can explain is there was lack of vaccination due to the fear Wakefield created and people did choose not to vaccinate yet, those autism rates never dropped. The autism rates in fact rose, as well and contracting childhood illnesses and deaths there related. They also cant explain why the majority who have had the MMR or any other vaccine don't also have autism.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jan 31, 2014
friend wrote:
It is true-ish. Wakefield had a clear agenda, and more than one agenda. The study itself was about colitis-'investigated a consecutive series of children with chronic enterocolitis and regressive developmental disorder' however, all the 12 children were clients of the same attorneys of who funded the study and the study itself named the MMR vaccine and 'behavioral problems'. Wakefield didn't outright state the MMR autism cause, but he also never outright denied it. And of course ask any anti vaxxer what the study was really about! Think the rest of the world didn't figure it out as well??!! Wakefield manipulated his research of the children and the results. And let's not forget one of the 12 children whose bowels were perforated in more than 12 places as a result of Wakefield, has left him more damaged than he was from any possible vaccine. Due to that botched colonoscopy, the child suffered a swollen brain and neurological problems. He has also developed epilepsy and suffered stomach ulcers. That child was the age of 5 at the time. Wakefield's motive was the money he gained from those attorneys and his plan for a single measles vaccine.
The one thing Wakefield nor anti vaxxers can explain is there was lack of vaccination due to the fear Wakefield created and people did choose not to vaccinate yet, those autism rates never dropped. The autism rates in fact rose, as well and contracting childhood illnesses and deaths there related. They also cant explain why the majority who have had the MMR or any other vaccine don't also have autism.
That agenda was to squeeze as much money as he could from those who do not vaccinate.
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See, the anti-vaxxers forget that once the person is vaccinated. Be it just one or one and the booster. The doctor can NOT get any more money from that possibility.
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BUT if the person does NOT vaccinate either themselves and or their kids. There is the possibility that the person can get sick with that same illness several times over. Thus keeping that doctor with a good cash flow from a group of folks that keep getting sick.
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And when you add up the number of what diseases have vaccinations for.... The amount of money can get staggering for what the doctor would be able to bring in.
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But also, there is the chance that the mortician will make their cash faster than they should. Especially since many of the diseases that kids get vaccinated against, are child killers.
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I'm getting the feeling that the anti-vaxxers are also possible members to the 'Right to Death' movement as well.
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http://civilliberty.about.com/od/euthanasiasu... It is also worth noting that the right to die movement has historically focused not on active physician-assisted suicide, but on the patient's option to refuse treatment by way of advance directives.
Dumb it down 4 provacs

Winnipeg, Canada

#4 Jan 31, 2014
Should be called the stool sample forum.

Since: Jan 07

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#5 Jan 31, 2014
Well, there really isn't the possibility that the person can get sick with that same illness several times over. The things that there's a vaccine for, most you either contract it or get the vaccine but you build that immunity to catching it twice. Except for pertussis and maybe one or two other illnesses.
Where the money is, is many people spreading and contracting the same illness. The only reason why mortality rates aren't higher is due to advanced medical and availability of it, however that medical is not free. Millions are spent each year on hospitalization by the consumer. Anti vaxxers, by not vaccinating and then spreading- contracting a childhood illness is really putting money into the pockets of Pharma, of which produce more than just vaccines. As long as people contract the measles and pertussis, doctors, nurses, and Pharma, along with the little people who supply the clean bedding, who maufacture IV's and needles, x-ray techs.... right on down the line have job security. All thanks to antu vaxxers.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jan 31, 2014
friend wrote:
Well, there really isn't the possibility that the person can get sick with that same illness several times over. The things that there's a vaccine for, most you either contract it or get the vaccine but you build that immunity to catching it twice. Except for pertussis and maybe one or two other illnesses.
Where the money is, is many people spreading and contracting the same illness. The only reason why mortality rates aren't higher is due to advanced medical and availability of it, however that medical is not free. Millions are spent each year on hospitalization by the consumer. Anti vaxxers, by not vaccinating and then spreading- contracting a childhood illness is really putting money into the pockets of Pharma, of which produce more than just vaccines. As long as people contract the measles and pertussis, doctors, nurses, and Pharma, along with the little people who supply the clean bedding, who maufacture IV's and needles, x-ray techs.... right on down the line have job security. All thanks to antu vaxxers.
Whooping Cough is one that can happen several times.
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And even though it is rare for rubella to recur in a person. It is not unknown. Meaning it has a slight chance of happening again.
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As for polio. There is between 40% to 80% with PPS - Post Polio Syndrome.
http://www.livescience.com/35861-polio-recurs... The National Center for Health Statistics estimates that more than 440,000 polio survivors in the United States may be at risk for post-polio syndrome (PPS), a condition that strikes polio survivors decades after they've recovered from an attack of the poliomyelitis virus.
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Diphtheria is another one that a person can get more than once.
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Same goes for rotavirus, and pneumococcal for being able to catch more than once as well.
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Thus those who do not get vaccinated against those are very good at keeping doctors very rich and able to pay off that college loan a lot faster..... As well as being able to send the doctor's grandchildren thru college as well.

Since: Jan 07

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#7 Feb 1, 2014
If the body doesn't build immunity, then what you're suggesting is even vaccines would be useless. You just more or less argued against the use of vaccines. We know this not to be true; the body does build immunity not only to naturally contracting childhood illnesses, but also with the use of vaccines. TCM channel tonight have been airing all scientific-based movies of how certain doctors proved this.

The likeliness of contracting pertussis (whooping cough) several times over is true, only that takes years. The human body builds immunity to pertussis, but it lasts only a few years.
If one contracted rotavirus a second time, it wouldn't be as severe as the first, which is why contracting it the first time is the most dangerous. A healthy adult probably contracts it often, only it's not as life-threatening to them as to an infant.
Post-polio syndrome has an unknown cause for starters, second it probably doesn't come from contracting it from another person.

I beg to differ, if there's money to be had by doctors, it's not from them waiting around for the same individual to walk in with the same childhood illness multiple times. The money to be followed is when that one individual infects many others. But then your theory is banking on everyone of those infected people to have medical insurance.
Stool Sample Forum

Winnipeg, Canada

#8 Feb 1, 2014
Stool sample forum brought to you by friend and Sangelia. Spreading more B.S. than most farmers do on their fields. Credibility zero.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Feb 1, 2014
friend wrote:
If the body doesn't build immunity, then what you're suggesting is even vaccines would be useless. You just more or less argued against the use of vaccines. We know this not to be true; the body does build immunity not only to naturally contracting childhood illnesses, but also with the use of vaccines. TCM channel tonight have been airing all scientific-based movies of how certain doctors proved this.
The likeliness of contracting pertussis (whooping cough) several times over is true, only that takes years. The human body builds immunity to pertussis, but it lasts only a few years.
If one contracted rotavirus a second time, it wouldn't be as severe as the first, which is why contracting it the first time is the most dangerous. A healthy adult probably contracts it often, only it's not as life-threatening to them as to an infant.
Post-polio syndrome has an unknown cause for starters, second it probably doesn't come from contracting it from another person.
I beg to differ, if there's money to be had by doctors, it's not from them waiting around for the same individual to walk in with the same childhood illness multiple times. The money to be followed is when that one individual infects many others. But then your theory is banking on everyone of those infected people to have medical insurance.
The vaccines do build immunity.
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How ever some vaccines are only for a certain strain of that illness. This is why flu shots tend to be required every winter. Because the virus either has mutated. Or that a older version came back even decades later. Which is why each strain at times tends to get a new name. Since they are not always the same as the past strains in the person's lifetime.
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But one has to remember that not every disease is a one time only type.
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As for insurance. No, I don't bank on everyone having it. Those less likely to have it. Are less likely to visit a doctor or other medical staff person. Since they are unable to pay the high fees that a medical person tends to charge. As well as they are less likely to have access to the vaccinations that help keep folks healthy.

Since: Jan 07

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#10 Feb 1, 2014
We're talking about childhood illnesses, mainly the ones that pertain to Wakefield and his claims and how they relate to autism.

It is true-ish. Wakefield had a clear agenda, and more than one agenda. The study itself was about colitis-'investigated a consecutive series of children with chronic enterocolitis and regressive developmental disorder' however, all the 12 children were clients of the same attorneys of who funded the study and the study itself named the MMR vaccine and 'behavioral problems'. Wakefield didn't outright state the MMR autism cause, but he also never outright denied it. And of course ask any anti vaxxer what the study was really about! Think the rest of the world didn't figure it out as well??!! Wakefield manipulated his research of the children and the results. And let's not forget one of the 12 children whose bowels were perforated in more than 12 places as a result of Wakefield, has left him more damaged than he was from any possible vaccine. Due to that botched colonoscopy, the child suffered a swollen brain and neurological problems. He has also developed epilepsy and suffered stomach ulcers. That child was the age of 5 at the time. Wakefield's motive was the money he gained from those attorneys and his plan for a single measles vaccine.

The one thing Wakefield nor anti vaxxers can explain is there was lack of vaccination due to the fear Wakefield created and people did choose not to vaccinate yet, those autism rates never dropped. The autism rates in fact rose, as well and contracting childhood illnesses and deaths there related. They also cant explain why the majority who have had the MMR or any other vaccine don't also have autism.
Dumb it down 4 friend

Winnipeg, Canada

#11 Feb 1, 2014
bee-yuk-buck buck
Dumb it down 4 provacs

Winnipeg, Canada

#12 Feb 5, 2014
friend wrote:
We're talking about childhood illnesses, mainly the ones that pertain to Wakefield and his claims and how they relate to autism.
It is true-ish. Wakefield had a clear agenda, and more than one agenda. The study itself was about colitis-'investigated a consecutive series of children with chronic enterocolitis and regressive developmental disorder' however, all the 12 children were clients of the same attorneys of who funded the study and the study itself named the MMR vaccine and 'behavioral problems'. Wakefield didn't outright state the MMR autism cause, but he also never outright denied it. And of course ask any anti vaxxer what the study was really about! Think the rest of the world didn't figure it out as well??!! Wakefield manipulated his research of the children and the results. And let's not forget one of the 12 children whose bowels were perforated in more than 12 places as a result of Wakefield, has left him more damaged than he was from any possible vaccine. Due to that botched colonoscopy, the child suffered a swollen brain and neurological problems. He has also developed epilepsy and suffered stomach ulcers. That child was the age of 5 at the time. Wakefield's motive was the money he gained from those attorneys and his plan for a single measles vaccine.
The one thing Wakefield nor anti vaxxers can explain is there was lack of vaccination due to the fear Wakefield created and people did choose not to vaccinate yet, those autism rates never dropped. The autism rates in fact rose, as well and contracting childhood illnesses and deaths there related. They also cant explain why the majority who have had the MMR or any other vaccine don't also have autism.
Garbage. Misinfo. Made up.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#13 Feb 5, 2014
Documented evidence. Most people would be in utter disgust over such a person who was a doctor. Not anti vaxxers. They call this fraud a hero, even as the man scams money off them to pay for attorney fee's for his bogus Texas court, which of course the Judge seen threw his scam, too.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Feb 5, 2014
friend wrote:
Documented evidence. Most people would be in utter disgust over such a person who was a doctor. Not anti vaxxers. They call this fraud a hero, even as the man scams money off them to pay for attorney fee's for his bogus Texas court, which of course the Judge seen threw his scam, too.
It seems that anti-vaxxers think their hero not only is supposed to be able to walk on water, turn water into wine. But also can turn lead into gold.
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They don't like it when wakefield is shown to be the fraud he is.
Friend

Sherbrooke, Canada

#15 Feb 5, 2014
Sangelia wrote:
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It seems that anti-vaxxers think their hero not only is supposed to be able to walk on water, turn water into wine. But also can turn lead into gold.
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They don't like it when wakefield is shown to be the fraud he is.
He is no hero. Just a simple specialist who linked vaccines to autism. a well respected dr before this propagnda against him and still is.

for you anybody that qustions vaccines is an antivaxxer with war against vaccines. onething you dont get is that its not a war against vaccine but rather a war against autism. and vaccines are linked to it

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Feb 5, 2014
Friend wrote:
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He is no hero. Just a simple specialist who linked vaccines to autism. a well respected dr before this propagnda against him and still is.
for you anybody that qustions vaccines is an antivaxxer with war against vaccines. onething you dont get is that its not a war against vaccine but rather a war against autism. and vaccines are linked to it
Then you better see about learning on how to change the person's genetic code. Since Autism was found to have about 1000 genes that are part of it.
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http://www.yale.edu/graduateschool/publicatio... Surprisingly, the answer from the data is about 1,000 genes. This, in part, explains the difficulty of prior research to identify autism genes. It also shows the sheer complexity of autism, he says.
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By the way, the only way currently to stop kids having autism. Is to ID the carrier parents and sterilize them. As well as to sterilize those who have Autism.
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And to do THAT, smacks of Hitler to sterilize the so called un-wanteds.
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Thing is, I won't allow my daughter to be sterilized just to satisfy you and your ilk. Nor should anyone else who are on the Autism Spectrum to be sterilized.
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Someone in a group I know asked this question: Did technology start because of someone with Autism realizing we needed it, Or did we evolve due to technology?
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It is a variation on the bird and the egg question. But just as valid.
dumb it down 4 provacs

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Feb 5, 2014
friend wrote:
Documented evidence. Most people would be in utter disgust over such a person who was a doctor. Not anti vaxxers. They call this fraud a hero, even as the man scams money off them to pay for attorney fee's for his bogus Texas court, which of course the Judge seen threw his scam, too.
more spam
dumb it down 4 provacs

Winnipeg, Canada

#18 Feb 5, 2014
Sangelia wrote:
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Then you better see about learning on how to change the person's genetic code. Since Autism was found to have about 1000 genes that are part of it.
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http://www.yale.edu/graduateschool/publicatio... Surprisingly, the answer from the data is about 1,000 genes. This, in part, explains the difficulty of prior research to identify autism genes. It also shows the sheer complexity of autism, he says.
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By the way, the only way currently to stop kids having autism. Is to ID the carrier parents and sterilize them. As well as to sterilize those who have Autism.
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And to do THAT, smacks of Hitler to sterilize the so called un-wanteds.
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Thing is, I won't allow my daughter to be sterilized just to satisfy you and your ilk. Nor should anyone else who are on the Autism Spectrum to be sterilized.
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Someone in a group I know asked this question: Did technology start because of someone with Autism realizing we needed it, Or did we evolve due to technology?
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It is a variation on the bird and the egg question. But just as valid.
earth calling sangelia!!! What a load of trash. Of course you two would believe this garbage.

Since: Jan 07

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#19 Feb 5, 2014
Wakefield's only specialty was intestinal transplantation. That in no way made him a specialist in autism or vaccines. And he in no way links vaccines to autism when in fact, all he was looking at was the MMR vaccine, and even then he did not link that to autism. What Wakefield claimed of that study was a 'new' never seen before GI disorder. Odd thing is, he's the only one who has ever seen it; no other doctor in the whole wide world has seen it. But that didn't stop Wakefield for applying for a patent vaccine to stop this new GI disorder.
What anti vaxxers cant grasp is IF what Wakefield claimed was true of the MMR vaccine, then the virus itself would have the same affect. They also cant explain why the majority of children who had the MMR vaccine don't have this mysterious GI disorder OR autism.

What's truly odd nd quite funny about anti vaxxers and Wakefield, is Wakefield's connection to creating his own vaccines! If Wakefield was ever respected, he certainly is not now and his own words got him to where he is today, A Nobody.

And how do you recognize an anti vaxxer from some one who is just questioning vaccines?? They support a fraud and keep repeating vaccines have been linked to autism when they have not been. Had vaccines ever been linked to autism, every anti vaxxer would be plastering the evidence.

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#21 Feb 5, 2014
Is that right? Then if you cant explain it, how could Wakefield?? Thanks for just admitting you have no evidence.

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