Healthwatch: Deciding whether or not to vaccinate

Dec 8, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WPEC-TV West Palm Beach

Many parents are choosing not to vaccinate their children because of the fear that the vaccines cause autism.

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Other than your opinion, have any science to back it up? It has been shown there is no connection to autism and vaccines.
‎28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings

1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
14. Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
15. Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
17. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
18. Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
19. Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
21. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
22. Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
24. Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
25. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
26. Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
27. Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303

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Anyone can copy and paste all that, and assume it's 28 studies that support Wakefield. How many have ever looked each one up??? I can guess none here! What a riot! Hard to acknowledge anything when none of you have verified the list but me and the vaccine court has nothing to do with it, other than to prove the conspiracy anti vaxxer say no one acknowledges vaccine side affect is untrue. The court proves they do.
Thanks for the humor tonight!

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I'll share one at a time, just to keep you in suspense.
That 1972 study? One, it was done prior to Wakefield. How funny is that? I bet you're guessing what it was about. It was done by none other than Walker-Smith however, this study was designed to determine if there is a relationship between celiac disease and the presence of gastrointestinal disease disease in children with autism. Had nothing to do with vaccines. It was a hypothesis that there is a generalized autoimmune dysfunction in autistic children with GI disease.
It in now way supports Wakefield's claims nor does it have anything at all to do with vaccines.

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Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13 Had nothing to do with vaccines, either.

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The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63 had nothing to do with Wakefield, and it was a small study of only 36 and what they found was
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Ah, no those studies don't support Wakefield, at all. Maybe you should read Wakefield's study to remind yourself what it contained. It was all about the MMR vaccine and what he claimed to have found was not celiac. His claim was he found a brand new unnamed medical issue. No one does a study just to say "hey, listen to parents when they said their children changed after the MMR". What a riot!

You'll be happy to note that list of 28? It more points to genetics than to vaccines or Wakefield. Many people will not take that list at face value, as you do. They'll look them up and make an educated opinion before speaking. What's even more funny about that list of 28, some are studies done by Wakefield!

Celiac is genetic, occurs in genetically predisposed people, and known about since the 1800's. The reason why no one listens to the claim Celiac is affected by vaccines is because it's an anti vaxxer lie. Diet affects celiac, hello.

Do you know the outcome of those untreated with Celiac? Do you know the stats on how many with autism have been tested for celiac? Has your son been tested?

You'll be happy to know that a vaccine for Celiac was in Phase I in 2011.

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Mickies Mom wrote:
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Numbers: of 28 studies 2 were duplicates, 3 were only retrievable because of the links on the whale.to page, 13 were written by Wakefield and/or Lancet co-authors and/or Thoughful House colleagues (counting two duplicates), 3 predate the Lancet paper by years or even decades and not one independently replicates Wakefield’s claims, made in the retracted Lancet paper, the associated press conference and in many statements since.

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You think all vaccines are for viruses? How funny! And no, Celiac is genetic. Look it up.

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What I said was "You think ALL vaccines are for viruses".

Celiac occurs in genetically predisposed people, and inherit one gene type from one parent and inherit another gene type from the other parent. Onset can be at any age. Most people don't even know they carry the genes and not everyone that does ends up with Celiac. So no history (like autism) means nothing of value.

Regardless, that 1972 study wasn't even a study. It was a "letter to the editor", it included 8 children with autism vs in children with untreated and treated celiac disease. The paper has nothing to do with the MMR vaccines, and predates the introduction of the MMR vaccine.

The list of 28 is a hoax. A fraud. Misinfo.

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Don't need to. Who really cares anyway. Fact is the 1972 "letter to the editor" does not support Wakefield's study.

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3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

Another where Wakefield is a co-author along with another from his reteacted study; cannot be said to support his own work. It seems Wakefield is the only researchers who have "found" this new "inflammatory bowel disease" in the past 15 or so years.

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4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005 is pretty funny. It's suggesting a whole volume of the journal. This of course was realized back a year ago, but clearly Mickies Mom didn't get the memo.

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They probably used the wrong term. What do you expect from Australia? They call it a vaccine. Many people call any shot a vaccine. Unlike other vaccines, which prevent an infection, this vaccine works by changing the immune system so it no longer attacks gluten. It involves repeatedly injecting solutions of gluten at increasing concentrations. The goal is to reduce and ultimately eliminate gluten sensitivity slowly, in a manner similar to common allergy desensitization treatments.

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That would be YOUR friends from Australia!
Lancet. 1972;2:883–884 pre dates Wakefield's 1998 retracted study. That alone makes it so it cant support Wakefield, but then add it wasn't about vaccines at all, but a genetic Celiac.
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5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
It never looked at the MMR vaccine, and it predates Wakefield's study. Based on those 2 things, it in no way replicates or supports Wakefield.

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Notice how you spam 8 topics with another new name and never add anything of value?
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regarding the list of journal references posted by Mickies Mom: This Gish Gallop list of references has been shown to be either papers by Wakefield himself, or papers that do not show any link between MMR and autism ( http://justthevax.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/sti... ). This list is showing up all over the internet and amounts to spamming. It is also reminiscent of the MO of creationists and global warming deniers to post hit-and-run comments with wrong factoids.
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regarding the list of journal references posted by Mickies Mom: This Gish Gallop list of references has been shown to be either papers by Wakefield himself, or papers that do not show any link between MMR and autism ( http://justthevax.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/sti... ). This list is showing up all over the internet and amounts to spamming. It is also reminiscent of the MO of creationists and global warming deniers to post hit-and-run comments with wrong factoids.
Maybe you should read this;
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/01/4214...
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Mickies Mom wrote:
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&#8206;28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings
1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
14. Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
15. Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
17. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
18. Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
19. Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
21. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
22. Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
24. Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
25. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
26. Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
27. Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303
Sources: &#8206;Autism Warrior Moms
Thanks for this, but as you can see one particular person interferes with valid discussion by forcing her subjective opinion on others, and dominating this forum. friend is the biggest TROLL on Topix
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ANDY DUBYA wrote:
<quoted text>Look who's asking for proof? The Queen Mother of no proof or links provided. What a hoot..nuff said
It's not our job to DISprove anything, if you want to make ridiculous false claims then prove it. If I said milk causes autism you'd ask for proof, but if I said milk doesn't cause autism would you ask for proof?? No!!

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