Prescribing marijuana to kids

Prescribing marijuana to kids

There are 65 comments on the TheWeek.com story from Dec 1, 2009, titled Prescribing marijuana to kids. In it, TheWeek.com reports that:

Is medical marijuana for kids a prescription for abuse? The battle over medical marijuana has shifted to a new front with reports that California clinics have been prescribing pot to patients as young as 14 to treat ADHD symptoms, while parents are feeding kids as young as 9 pot-infused cookies as a last resort to help them cope with autism.

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Caradae

Arroyo Grande, CA

#1 Dec 1, 2009
absolutely, asinine. I cannot nor will I ever understand the reasoning or excuse parents have to prescribe their children "pot" to help them cope with Autism. It is stupid and something i like to call self preservation, the parents are thinking of themselves and not the welfare of their children.
raymond

Montréal, Canada

#2 Dec 2, 2009
The reason you do not understand is ignorance. Another reason is CDC failure to understand and find why so many autistics. Kids non verbal, socially isolated, extremely stimuli senstitive. With all these sick kids running arounf they are still wondering if autism rates have increased or is it due to better understanding.

Its all ignornace. Not too forget medical Mariuanna side effects, or long term effects or non worse that that of Prozacs, New Abilify, Respridol etc. Actually less harmfull that any of those antidepressant drugs which all lead to suicide thoughts.
Caradae

Arroyo Grande, CA

#3 Dec 2, 2009
I'm not ignorant. I understand Autism/ AS better than you might know. But regardless of the reason someone can conjure up in their mind to make it OK to give a CHILD (whatever the disability) marijuana, is uncalled for and completely illogical!

I have 2 children who are AS, they have many different behavior problems, but I will not EVER give my child "pot" for being too out of hand, I will however work really hard to help both of them cope with their disability through strategies. On top of it all IF I ever have to medicate my children I will go herbal (st. johns wart).

The ONLY reasoning I see for giving a child medical marijuana is for Cancer or terminally ill patients. Other wise it is WRONG.

I know the long term side effects of any medication, but I also know the extreme side effects of marijuana. What happens when "pot" will no longer be available through insurance, what then, go to the streets? Who knows what the stuff off the street can be laced with. Or if you choose to take your child off of it and deal with side effects of something you made worse by giving them a "street drug".

Call me ignorant all you want. I have seen what "pot" does to an adult let alone a child coming out of a womb. I will never subject my children to something like that, when there is other means to help them. A drug is a drug as far as I'm concerned. Let's open a door to what they can and WILL use later in life!

We both come from 2 completely different areas in our lives. You come from a place where "pot" is legal, I come from a place where it is illegal, for good reason it is! We will both agree to disagree on this one. But ignorant I am not, nor will I ever be!
Somebodie

Richardson, TX

#4 Dec 2, 2009
Where has it been proven that marijuana is safe for autistic pathologies?
AUTISM MOM

Laredo, TX

#5 Dec 2, 2009
Caradae wrote:
absolutely, asinine. I cannot nor will I ever understand the reasoning or excuse parents have to prescribe their children "pot" to help them cope with Autism. It is stupid and something i like to call self preservation, the parents are thinking of themselves and not the welfare of their children.
What is stupid is uneducated people such as yourself making comments on subjects that you obviously know nothing about! Do you have a autistic child? If you don't, shame on you for judging parents who are doing the best they can for THEIR children and if you do have a autistic child and choose not to go this route
good for you but just remember... OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASS$@&*! everybody has one and man yours really stinks ;/

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#6 Dec 2, 2009
raymond- Antidepressant drugs do not all lead to suicide thoughts. Let's not forget the many people these drugs do help.
I'd have to agree with Caradae. A drug is a drug and it doesn't matter if it's a psych drug or street drug. I think they're nuts too. Marijuana is addictive, plus you're opening yourself up for dangerous people lurking around. pretty soon everyone with a child with autism will have their houses broken into looking for that stash. From the article "while parents are feeding kids as young as 9 pot-infused cookies as a last resort to help them cope with autism." who's coping, the parent or the child, and this is the last resort??
Marijuana psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear. While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, Marijuana exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well.

AUTISM MOM- And you think Caradae is uneducated and her opinion stinks? You tell me who would willing as a last resort give this to a child? If there are not people like Caradae freely giving their opinion, who is going to watch out for these children while any doctor introduces these alternatives? "Doctors should be given leeway to treat their patients as they see best, says Nathaniel French in the Southern Methodist University Daily Campus".... watch out for the day that ever happens.
sonrisa

United States

#7 Dec 2, 2009
Caradae wrote:
I'm not ignorant... IF I ever have to medicate my children I will go herbal (st. johns wart).
Ummm....I'm pretty sure "Pot" is a plant, therefore herbal.

I have been using it in a tincture form for anxiety for years do to an allergy to attivan and a variety of other medications drs have tried prescribing.

Injesting, rather than smoking, marijuana in controlled quantities DOES NOT get you "high." This is a valid medicine that should be researched more, but because of true ignorance like what you've expressed, we're bound to stay in the medical dark ages for another decade.
Caradae

Arroyo Grande, CA

#8 Dec 2, 2009
AUTISM MOM wrote:
<quoted text>What is stupid is uneducated people such as yourself making comments on subjects that you obviously know nothing about! Do you have a autistic child? If you don't, shame on you for judging parents who are doing the best they can for THEIR children and if you do have a autistic child and choose not to go this route
good for you but just remember... OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASS$@&*! everybody has one and man yours really stinks ;/
That just goes to show how much you were paying attention to my SECOND post. I have not only 1 but 2 autistic children. I also am not judging anyone, to each their own. My whole point in the matter is yes I have an opinion, I am entitled to my opinion, not everyone needs to agree with me. You call me uneducated, did you reread your post. You sound absolutely idiotic, calling me an asshole because I am entitled to MY opinion.

You must be one of those moms that think drugs are OK, or that you use them yourself and see nothing wrong with the fact that giving your child a very young child at that, marijuana. Their is none nor will there ever be a reason good enough for me to give my child "illegal drugs" to help him cope with his AS. There is other means and if you are to stupid or lazy to try and find that means then that just goes to show how important your childs welfare really is to you.

Hooray, let's get the drug habit started. In the long run you will have no one else to blame when the habit gets to a point of uncontolability and he/she ends up in an institution because they can't feed their habit fast enough.
Caradae

Arroyo Grande, CA

#9 Dec 2, 2009
sonrisa wrote:
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Ummm....I'm pretty sure "Pot" is a plant, therefore herbal.
I have been using it in a tincture form for anxiety for years do to an allergy to attivan and a variety of other medications drs have tried prescribing.
Injesting, rather than smoking, marijuana in controlled quantities DOES NOT get you "high." This is a valid medicine that should be researched more, but because of true ignorance like what you've expressed, we're bound to stay in the medical dark ages for another decade.
Injesting it doesn't make any less addicting. Have you tried getting off of it? Get back to me the day you decided to quit "injesting" it and tell me your not addicted to it. Besides this post isn't on "anxiety" it is about AUTISM, so what exactly does your post have anything to do with what is being said here?

I know about anxiety I live with it everyday, doesn't mean I am going to injest marijuana or any other drug for that matter to help ease my anxiety. I see what your saying as a cop out and as an excuse to use the drug. There are many different medications and not all of them will you have an allergic reaction too.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#10 Dec 2, 2009
Cocaine comes from a plant too. Doesn't matter how you get it into your body, the same affects are there and the same with marijuana. To have that 'high' effect, it has to be heated, walla baked. Those movies where grandma at the laced brownies... it is going to affect your brain and thinking. Although the extent of the medicinal value of cannabis has been debated, it does have several well-documented beneficial effects. Among these are: the amelioration of nausea and vomiting, stimulation of hunger in chemotherapy and AIDS patients, lowered intraocular eye pressure (shown to be effective for treating glaucoma), as well as general analgesic effects (pain reliever). Any other use is far less studied or confirmed.
It's one thing if we're talking about adults, it's another when we're talking about children and this alternative is bound to raise questions and stir a number of ethical issues.
Caradae

Arroyo Grande, CA

#11 Dec 2, 2009
friend wrote:
Marijuana psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear. While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, Marijuana exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well.
I sure as hell don't want my child hallucinating or have any other neurological problems. Children with Autism have enough problems mentally and physically, they don't need anymore issues than they already do. Thank you for backing me and agreeing with me and pointing out FACTS on Marijuana use.

Since: Jan 07

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#12 Dec 2, 2009
I'd also like to know how this affects a child's learning ability. I just don't get this 'last reosrt' use of it either, as if there isn't any other far better choices of documented studies of other things along with it's side effects. One can also not hardly comment on it's use if they're an adult. We're talking about children. Comparing this to to any other medication has no bases. They're using these kids as a test study. How fun for those kids. I am not saying I disagree with another parnts chocie as much as I think alternative has now gone way to the far side and some one needs to put a stomp to it before children are harmed.
Caradae wrote:
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I sure as hell don't want my child hallucinating or have any other neurological problems. Children with Autism have enough problems mentally and physically, they don't need anymore issues than they already do. Thank you for backing me and agreeing with me and pointing out FACTS on Marijuana use.
sonrisa

United States

#13 Dec 2, 2009
Caradae wrote:
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Injesting it doesn't make any less addicting. Have you tried getting off of it? Get back to me the day you decided to quit "injesting" it and tell me your not addicted to it. Besides this post isn't on "anxiety" it is about AUTISM, so what exactly does your post have anything to do with what is being said here?
I know about anxiety I live with it everyday, doesn't mean I am going to injest marijuana or any other drug for that matter to help ease my anxiety. I see what your saying as a cop out and as an excuse to use the drug. There are many different medications and not all of them will you have an allergic reaction too.

My step-son is autistic and I found this article interesting- though your response to it shows you as nothing more than a judgmental angry person, who clearly does not base your information on science.
I would do ANYTHING that would benefit him--- if solid scientific research says this works, I'm not going to let the DEMON MARIJUANA mentality sway me against it.
People become addicted- if in any capacity- to the HIGH of marijuana.
Have you injested it? In medically controlled doses?
I didn't think so.
People thought the world was flat until Columbus didn't fall off...clearly you're a flat thinker, and I'm sorry for your children.
Science has proven there are toxic things in hot dogs and gummi bears (ie nitrates and red dye #4) for autistic children (any child in my opinion) and yet, I bet one, if not both your AS children have consumed those? How about Dairy or Gluten? All 4 things have addictive qualities to autistic children, and yet I highly doubt you would demonize those.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#14 Dec 3, 2009
People will always have strong opinions about alternative therapies and how parents will stop at nothing and do anything to improve or remove the autism symptom's from a child. Giving an opinion about the therapy is one thing, it's attacking and an opinion of that therapy. "thinking flat" and the other comments are directly attacking the poster of which that poster has yet to do to anyone directly and then to bring up their children in the sense you're sorry for them is in fact no way to defend your position.

Face it:

Marijuana psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear. While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, Marijuana exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well.

This will bring up strong opinions and everyone is going to have to find a way to deal with it other than name-calling. Aside from science proving anything, we already do know the above about this street drug and that's a little different than dairy and gluten which do not effect the majority of children with autism and it's not comparable to an addiction, either. The deal is any child's body may not be able to process dairy and gluten, there's actual medical disorders causing it.

The fact is, there is not solid scientific research related to children and the use for autism, yet these doctors are giving this to children. That should scare anyone.
raymond

Gatineau, Canada

#15 Dec 3, 2009
I can personally tell you of 10 well successfull people that smoked pot more than 30 years. Today they are CEO, lawyers, sucessfull professionals.

If an autistic kid is too troubled for causing him to be out of control, then why not, try just a cookie with pot(Marijuanna) in it. If it helps, does not mean that you have to give it to him 24 hours. You can use it as a last resort option till you find alternative ways. Personally,(If applicable) I would rather try pot than giving Abilify, or antidepressants...

If you child is having pot, then may be you can call him normal, since honestly, a lot of school kids are pretty much using them on a daily basis.
benjamin

New Bloomfield, PA

#16 Dec 3, 2009
friend wrote:
While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, Marijuana exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well.
Please explain your logic. Hallucinagenic marijuana? Now that is a good one and I'd like to try some! Psychodelic drugs are completly differant than marijuana if it were the same thing why would people risk using LSD,peyote,or mushshroooms? Fact is they all produce differant effects and one is not comparible to any other. Marijuana is acually like alcohol in the aspect that it produces differant effects depending on mood,enviroment,and amount consumed.

Since: Jul 08

Outskirts of WebbieVille :D

#17 Dec 3, 2009
Straight from the package insert for Marinol (Cannabis) Capsules:

Adverse Effects

Most Frequent:
Abdominal Pain with Cramps, Concentration Difficulty, Delusional Disorder, Dizziness, Drowsy, Dyskinesia, Euphoria, Hallucinations, Impaired Cognition, Mood Changes, Nausea, Unsteady Gait, Vomiting

Less Frequent:
Anxiety, Flushing, General Weakness, Memory Impairment, Palpitations, Tachyarrhythmia, Vasodilation of Blood Vessels

Rare:
Abnormal Hepatic Function Tests, Anorexia, Blurred Vision, Chills, Conjunctivitis, Cough, Depersonalization, Depression, Diarrhea, Dysarthria, Fatigue, Fecal Incontinence, Headache Disorder, Hyperhidrosis, Malaise, Myalgia, Nervousness, Nightmares, Orthostatic Hypotension, Rhinitis, Seizure Disorder, Sinusitis, Tinnitus, Visual Changes, Xerostomia

So, hallucinations are a possibility, at least for the capsule version of Cannabis. I have no experience with the naturally grown as to how it effects people. It is my understanding that the effects, and side effects were vastly varied from one person to the next.

I will enjoy reading the actual medical studies of this therapy since it is so controversial, and I have heard some very good remarks from parents that have tried this.

This does concern me however, since it is my limited understanding autistic children are more prone to seizure disorders:

Drug-Disease Contraindications

Significant
Epilepsy

Possibly Significant
Alcoholism, Bipolar Disorder, Depression, Fainting, Hypertension, Hypotension, Lower Seizure Threshold, Schizophrenia, Substance Abuse, Tachyarrhythmia

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#18 Dec 3, 2009
It's not My logic, it's the drug information which anyone can locate. That is how it's listed.
benjamin wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain your logic. Hallucinagenic marijuana? Now that is a good one and I'd like to try some! Psychodelic drugs are completly differant than marijuana if it were the same thing why would people risk using LSD,peyote,or mushshroooms? Fact is they all produce differant effects and one is not comparible to any other. Marijuana is acually like alcohol in the aspect that it produces differant effects depending on mood,enviroment,and amount consumed.
AUTISM MOM

Laredo, TX

#19 Dec 3, 2009
Caradae wrote:
<quoted text>
That just goes to show how much you were paying attention to my SECOND post. I have not only 1 but 2 autistic children. I also am not judging anyone, to each their own. My whole point in the matter is yes I have an opinion, I am entitled to my opinion, not everyone needs to agree with me. You call me uneducated, did you reread your post. You sound absolutely idiotic, calling me an asshole because I am entitled to MY opinion.
You must be one of those moms that think drugs are OK, or that you use them yourself and see nothing wrong with the fact that giving your child a very young child at that, marijuana. Their is none nor will there ever be a reason good enough for me to give my child "illegal drugs" to help him cope with his AS. There is other means and if you are to stupid or lazy to try and find that means then that just goes to show how important your childs welfare really is to you.
Hooray, let's get the drug habit started. In the long run you will have no one else to blame when the habit gets to a point of uncontolability and he/she ends up in an institution because they can't feed their habit fast enough.
I did not call you a ass%$#@ for having an opinion, what I ment to say was that your opinion stinks. You called parents who are doing what is best for THEIR CHILDREN asine and lazy. Maybe your children are responding well (I hope) to whatever treatments or therapies you have them on. Every child is different and what works for your children may not work for others, maybe your children are not as severe as others. I am however calling you a presumtious, judgmental ass%$#@ for assuming that I am lazy and a drug user and that I give my child pot, which I don't. I will if it is proven effective. I will do what ever it takes to help my child no matter what people like you think or say. You sound like you think your way is the right way, the only way and that your S@#* doesn't stink, well guess what..just like your opinion it does. Worry about your own childen and stop judging other parents who are doing the best they can for THEIR CHILDREN. Chill sister/mister...
sounds like you need a joint :) PEACE
mike

United States

#20 Dec 3, 2009
Somebodie wrote:
Where has it been proven that marijuana is safe for autistic pathologies?
seriously, where has it been proven that it isn't? marijuana was used for medicine before it was made illegal, it was not made illegal backed up with scientific studies, it was made illegal for racist reasons and for job security when alcohol prohibition was ended, cannabis based medicines were produced and labeled for children as young as two days old as a cold remedy, when marijuana was made illegal and classified as a schedule 1 drug that prevented any future studies from being done here in the united states unless approved by the federal government, and than the studies have to be done with government grown marijuana, in fact the government still gives marijuana to a few people as medication even thou they classify it as a schedule 1 drug with no medical value, I really wish people would clime off the government band wagon and think for themselves, do you all really think they know what is best for us or that they care about what is best for us?

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