The Price Of The Autism-Measles Panic...

The Price Of The Autism-Measles Panic, 15 Years Later

There are 23 comments on the Forbes.com story from Jul 21, 2013, titled The Price Of The Autism-Measles Panic, 15 Years Later. In it, Forbes.com reports that:

Ibrahim Ali comforts his six-year-old daughter, Hawo, who suffers from measles and malnutrition, at a local hospital in Somalia's capital Mogadishu on August 15, 2011.

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#2 Jul 22, 2013
The media did play a role, but Wakefield was in the spot light and he loved the attention. At any time he could had set the media straight, yet he never spoke up. Just as he never appealed the courts decision against him. Wakefield was loving the publicity.
Wakefield is a classic example of how quacks acting like a doctor can cause mass hysteria and fear, and not only that, his study resulted in one of the 12 needing 24/7 care for a botched colonoscopy that a court deemed not clinically indicated or justified.
Caused By VACCINES

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Jul 22, 2013
friend wrote:
The media did play a role, but Wakefield was in the spot light and he loved the attention. At any time he could had set the media straight, yet he never spoke up. Just as he never appealed the courts decision against him. Wakefield was loving the publicity.
Wakefield is a classic example of how quacks acting like a doctor can cause mass hysteria and fear, and not only that, his study resulted in one of the 12 needing 24/7 care for a botched colonoscopy that a court deemed not clinically indicated or justified.
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#4 Jul 22, 2013
Of course there's no evidence to back up the lies made about Pharma, but Wakefield's crimes speak for themself.

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#5 Jul 22, 2013
friend one question, on a scale of -10 to -1, how dumb are you?:)
MMR CAUSES AUTISM

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#6 Jul 23, 2013
Beautnificent wrote:
friend one question, on a scale of -10 to -1, how dumb are you?:)
That would be an 11
Sheikh Voodoo

Melbourne, Australia

#7 Jul 23, 2013
Why is autism prevalent among Somali migrants and not other African migrants? Could it be their parents suffered from autism and were never tested? Or, is it that more Somali kids suffer from learning disabilities than other migrants and it is not autism?

"Autism is terrifying the community of Somali immigrants in Minneapolis, and some pediatricians and educators have joined parents in raising the alarm."

"A small recent study of refugees in schools in Stockholm found that Somalis were in classes for autistic children at three times the normal rate."

One of the first to raise the alarm was Anne Harrington, who worked in special education in the Minneapolis schools for 21 years.

In the last decade, she said,“we’ve begun seeing a tremendous number of kids born here who have the more severe forms of autism.”

Last year, she said, 25 percent of the children in preschool classes offering the most intensive treatment had Somali parents, while only about 6 percent of public school enrollment is Somali.

Dr. Daniel S. McLellan, a pediatrician, said that when he began practicing at Children’s Hospital six years ago, he was struck by how many autistic Somali children he saw.

“They had classic symptoms,” he said.“Really impaired language, didn’t watch faces, didn’t make eye contact, didn’t communicate with gestures, just lost in their own worlds. Nobody would mistake it for anything else.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/health/17au...
Sheikh Voodoo

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Jul 23, 2013
A mysterious connection: autism and Minneapolis' Somali children.

Short yellow school buses deliver children with special education needs to Minneapolis public schools every weekday morning. As students arrive at the elementary school where I work part time, I can't help but notice something about the autistic kids as they climb down the buses' steep steps: Almost all are Somali children.

Autism is a developmental disorder that doesn't discriminate against race or class, and it is on the rise in the United States. But in Minneapolis, the mysterious disorder appears to be zeroing in on one of the city's newest communities: First generation U.S.-born Somali-speaking children in Minneapolis schools are disproportionately identified as having autism.

About a quarter of all autism children who attend autism classrooms for students functioning too low to be mainstreamed in regular schoolrooms are Somali. Special education specialists said that indicates that the degree of autism Somali children are developing is on the severe end of the autism spectrum.

"If they're having more children, many of the siblings also have autism. We have a number of [Somali] families who have two children on the autism spectrum and sometimes more. I've been working to get somebody to look at this and pay attention because it feels like this is too specific [to Somalis]. It's got to be preventable," Harrington said.

She said she knows of an apartment building with Somali residents in which almost every family has at least one autistic child.

Study in Sweden

There are some studies, however, that link autism and ancestry.

A Swedish newspaper published an article last week about that country's Somali population and its high prevalence of autism. The story described a autism study that focused on Somalis.

And the journal Science published a study last week that linked shared ancestry to autism.(The study was also described in the Times of London.) A Harvard team funded by the National Institute of Mental Health studied Middle Eastern families in which cousins had married each other. In five of those cases, children showed genetic defects linked to autism. Many Muslim Somalis marry their first, second or third cousins, putting them a category suspected to be more at risk.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/...
thehassanabdi

West Bromwich, UK

#9 Jul 23, 2013
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
Why is autism prevalent among Somali migrants and not other African migrants? Could it be their parents suffered from autism and were never tested? Or, is it that more Somali kids suffer from learning disabilities than other migrants and it is not autism?
"Autism is terrifying the community of Somali immigrants in Minneapolis, and some pediatricians and educators have joined parents in raising the alarm."
"A small recent study of refugees in schools in Stockholm found that Somalis were in classes for autistic children at three times the normal rate."
One of the first to raise the alarm was Anne Harrington, who worked in special education in the Minneapolis schools for 21 years.
In the last decade, she said,“we’ve begun seeing a tremendous number of kids born here who have the more severe forms of autism.”
Last year, she said, 25 percent of the children in preschool classes offering the most intensive treatment had Somali parents, while only about 6 percent of public school enrollment is Somali.
Dr. Daniel S. McLellan, a pediatrician, said that when he began practicing at Children’s Hospital six years ago, he was struck by how many autistic Somali children he saw.
“They had classic symptoms,” he said.“Really impaired language, didn’t watch faces, didn’t make eye contact, didn’t communicate with gestures, just lost in their own worlds. Nobody would mistake it for anything else.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/health/17au...
PIGGY, You should be worrying more about this;

Feb. 21, 2008 — A pig virus that exists worldwide has become more dangerous as the virus has mutated and then combined with other pathogens, according to Purdue University researchers.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/...

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#10 Jul 23, 2013
Interesting about the Somalian's in MN. All the children were born in the USA for starters, and if they all really have autism, then in one ethnic group it points to genetics, since autism is known to affect all groups equally. Another interesting things is it's the only community in the USA that has high rates of autism in a single ethnic group would also point to daily environmental exposures or in fact how one ethnic group reacts to less sun exposure than others. It certainly does not point to vaccines as a cause.
Sheikh Voodoo

Melbourne, Australia

#11 Jul 23, 2013
thehassanabdi wrote:
PIGGY, You should be worrying more about this;
Hi my autistic friend thehassanAdon, did you test your kids?
Sheikh Voodoo

Melbourne, Australia

#12 Jul 23, 2013
friend wrote:
Interesting about the Somalian's in MN. All the children were born in the USA for starters, and if they all really have autism, then in one ethnic group it points to genetics, since autism is known to affect all groups equally. Another interesting things is it's the only community in the USA that has high rates of autism in a single ethnic group would also point to daily environmental exposures or in fact how one ethnic group reacts to less sun exposure than others. It certainly does not point to vaccines as a cause.
I do agree with you that autism and genetics are linked and is hereditary, couldn't it be possible that the parents themselves were autistic in the first place since they have never been tested?

Autism has a genetic component:

Autism is hereditary, in that children with autistic people in their family are more likely than other children to be autistic. Researchers are well on the way to finding genes that relate to autism -- but the jury is still out regarding exactly how such genes might function to create autistic symptoms. Sophia Colamarino, Science Program Director at Cure Autism Now, explains, "We’re talking about genes because they allow us to understand the biological origins of the problem."

http://autism.about.com/od/causesofautism/p/r...
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#13 Jul 23, 2013
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
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I do agree with you that autism and genetics are linked and is hereditary, couldn't it be possible that the parents themselves were autistic in the first place since they have never been tested?
Autism has a genetic component:
Autism is hereditary, in that children with autistic people in their family are more likely than other children to be autistic. Researchers are well on the way to finding genes that relate to autism -- but the jury is still out regarding exactly how such genes might function to create autistic symptoms. Sophia Colamarino, Science Program Director at Cure Autism Now, explains, "We’re talking about genes because they allow us to understand the biological origins of the problem."
OH please!!! There is no genes only after 20 years of research following a full genetic sequencing. If you notice in all research they pool all sorts: Aspergers PDD. PDDNOS classic autism. Well may be aspergers and others are genetic but from to say those who regress at 18months have genetic autism is garbage. All we hear is barks of gentic but never a bite. It is funny how kids regress shortly after vaccination but that is just a coincidence. It is funny how Somalian coming to noth america get vaccinated and then end up with autism specifically in their ethnic group, even that is a coincidence. For now stay away from vaccines...get the measles as in 99% of cases it passes by itself.
http://autism.about.com/od/causesofautism/p/r...
OH please!!! There is no genes only after 20 years of research following a full genetic sequencing. If you notice in all research they pool all sorts: Aspergers PDD. PDDNOS classic autism. Well may be aspergers and others are genetic but from to say those who regress at 18months have genetic autism is garbage. All we hear is barks of gentic but never a bite. It is funny how kids regress shortly after vaccination but that is just a coincidence. It is funny how Somalian coming to noth america get vaccinated and then end up with autism specifically in their ethnic group, even that is a coincidence. For now stay away from vaccines...get the measles as in 99% of cases it passes by itself.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#14 Jul 23, 2013
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
A mysterious connection: autism and Minneapolis' Somali children.
Short yellow school buses deliver children with special education needs to Minneapolis public schools every weekday morning. As students arrive at the elementary school where I work part time, I can't help but notice something about the autistic kids as they climb down the buses' steep steps: Almost all are Somali children.
Autism is a developmental disorder that doesn't discriminate against race or class, and it is on the rise in the United States. But in Minneapolis, the mysterious disorder appears to be zeroing in on one of the city's newest communities: First generation U.S.-born Somali-speaking children in Minneapolis schools are disproportionately identified as having autism.
About a quarter of all autism children who attend autism classrooms for students functioning too low to be mainstreamed in regular schoolrooms are Somali. Special education specialists said that indicates that the degree of autism Somali children are developing is on the severe end of the autism spectrum.
"If they're having more children, many of the siblings also have autism. We have a number of [Somali] families who have two children on the autism spectrum and sometimes more. I've been working to get somebody to look at this and pay attention because it feels like this is too specific [to Somalis]. It's got to be preventable," Harrington said.
She said she knows of an apartment building with Somali residents in which almost every family has at least one autistic child.
Study in Sweden
There are some studies, however, that link autism and ancestry.
A Swedish newspaper published an article last week about that country's Somali population and its high prevalence of autism. The story described a autism study that focused on Somalis.
And the journal Science published a study last week that linked shared ancestry to autism.(The study was also described in the Times of London.) A Harvard team funded by the National Institute of Mental Health studied Middle Eastern families in which cousins had married each other. In five of those cases, children showed genetic defects linked to autism. Many Muslim Somalis marry their first, second or third cousins, putting them a category suspected to be more at risk.
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/...
That is not a coincidence in the Somalian community with autism shortly after mass vaccination. It si the realily, Vaccination causes autism....who knows diabetes cancer etc.
AFRAID OF JENNY

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#15 Jul 23, 2013
friend wrote:
Interesting about the Somalian's in MN. All the children were born in the USA for starters, and if they all really have autism, then in one ethnic group it points to genetics, since autism is known to affect all groups equally. Another interesting things is it's the only community in the USA that has high rates of autism in a single ethnic group would also point to daily environmental exposures or in fact how one ethnic group reacts to less sun exposure than others. It certainly does not point to vaccines as a cause.
SUN EXPOSURE??? Where's you gold standard peer reviewed study? Environmental includes vaccines. Are 100% of these Somali's unvaccinated? Hell in Somalia they probaly received few vaccines, but autism is rampnat in Africa as everywhere else vaccine use has skyrocketed.

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#16 Jul 23, 2013
Sun exposure was mentioned in the article offered. Hello. Environmental is not vaccines. Nice try. Vaccines is medical exposure.
Sheikh Voodoo

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#19 Jul 24, 2013
Ray wrote:
OH please!!! There is no genes only after 20 years of research following a full genetic sequencing. If you notice in all research they pool all sorts: Aspergers PDD. PDDNOS classic autism. Well may be aspergers and others are genetic but from to say those who regress at 18months have genetic autism is garbage. All we hear is barks of gentic but never a bite. It is funny how kids regress shortly after vaccination but that is just a coincidence. It is funny how Somalian coming to noth america get vaccinated and then end up with autism specifically in their ethnic group, even that is a coincidence. For now stay away from vaccines...get the measles as in 99% of cases it passes by itself.
All the kids are vaccinated (including children of other refugees and in particular those from from HOA), then, why is it only the Somali children with higher numbers of autism? The same goes for the Vitamin D deficiency theory because it doesn't affect other Africans of similar backgrounds and lacks scientific evidence.

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#20 Jul 24, 2013
MMR CAUSES AUTISM wrote:
<quoted text> That would be an 11
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I dont know why, I know its not supposed to be funny but Im laughing hysterically. LOOOOOOL
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#21 Jul 24, 2013
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
<quoted text>
All the kids are vaccinated (including children of other refugees and in particular those from from HOA), then, why is it only the Somali children with higher numbers of autism? The same goes for the Vitamin D deficiency theory because it doesn't affect other Africans of similar backgrounds and lacks scientific evidence.
A lot of people have side-effects following medication but not all who take medication suffer the same side-effects...The thing is vaccines cause neurogical disruption in body and there is least doubt. In Somalis children...give me the data and I will tell you why it is happening. The thing is the health agency keeps the data and talks to pharma in private since they dont want to disrupt the mass vaccination they are so proud of

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#22 Jul 24, 2013
Why don't you give the data about vaccines causing neurogical disruptions???
Anti vaxxers will have no valid answer for why Somali children have higher rates of autism in one particular location. They don't understand anything but conspiracy theories.

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#23 Jul 24, 2013
Not sure why the Somali in MN was ever brought up, other than Wakefield showing up and talking to that community about not getting the MMR vaccine, and then the very same community had an outbreak of measles.

MN schools do not require a diagnosis for an IEP for Pre K, which is where the bulk of those Somali autism rates. Any other state would term the IEP Developmentally Delayed unless there was a medical diagnosis. Nope, not Minnesota. The autism rates in MN alone is 1:81 and the schools being able to term an IEP autism w/o a medical diagnosis is controversial and been on the news a few times for that alone. Our own school district, which is not MPLS, termed my child's IEP autism without a medical diagnosis. Every one should be aware MN schools are not medical- a schools criteria is different of that of a medical diagnosis for autism.

MN get the autism rates from where?? The educational system, which right there is flawed to begin with however within that educational school system and IEP's, it does not at all determine which had vaccines and which did not, or at what age they did get vaccines. Not all those Somali kids 'came' here, all of the children in question were born here meaning one can not assume they had any vaccines at all.

The Somali population alone can provide a clear genetic clue, if in fact the rates are that 'high' in that one ethnic group. Think about it. Either that or the MPLS school district is taking advantage of one ethnic group for the purpose of the funds that come with a child in special ed. No one knows which of these children have a medical diagnosis or just the school saying that children have autism.

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