Autism and swine flu vaccine

[friend]

Exactly. One could go back and read those posts, had they not bee deleted which speaks for itself. Their intent here is obvious and it's not to converse functionally.

SubLiterate wrote:

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More like a disinformational exchange. As far as getting reactionary and emo, perhaps you should go back through your buddy and hero endthefed's posts, with his raging personal attacks. Seems pretty reactionary.

[CURLY1]

friend wrote:

Exactly. One could go back and read those posts, had they not bee deleted which speaks for itself. Their intent here is obvious and it's not to converse functionally.
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his posts frequently get deleted!

[lovern]

SubLiterate wrote:

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More like a disinformational exchange. As far as getting reactionary and emo, perhaps you should go back through your buddy and hero endthefed's posts, with his raging personal attacks. Seems pretty reactionary.

I back him on point
Style is a personal choice

[Get Real]

lovern wrote:

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I back him on point
Style is a personal choice

Personally I'd prefer for you not to get any vaccine.

[JCaul]

I was living near the Royal Free Hospital in London when the MMR : late onset autism debate was happening. I delayed the vaccination for my boy until he was 5 because of my concerns. He has recently been diagnosed with Aspergers (+dyspraxia)6 years later. Since I had my second son I KNOW the vaccination had nothing to do with ASD. I had my second boy vaccinated routinely for MMR and will have them both vaccinated for swine flu as soon as it is available. I have listened to many debates on this topic and conclude that there are a minority of parents who feel they have to have something / someone to blame for a diagnosis. In real life this isn't always the case. Sometimes these things happen - one day we might get a clearer view as to why, but until then, the consequences for avoiding vaccination are more tangible and measured.

[CURLY1]

endthefeds wrote:

MASS VACCINATION DOCUMENTS LEAKED 1 2
www.youtube.com/watch...
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sweetie, no one cares what you say....in fact, whatever your against we should all be for!
we have all figured you out for what you really are....

[Get Real]

endthefed wrote:

So George your daughter is a beautiful cheerleader and she call you up for a ride to get her vaccine... then after the shot her life is destroyed.. you would say oh-well life goes on.. right..... George watch "my name is earl" you might learn something.... carma is a funny thing... or a cruel thing...

"carma" is a funny thing. Like spelling it properly...

[religion kills]

SubLiterate wrote:

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That he used 'ignorant' as a noun instead of an an adjective ('you ignorant people'). Just being snarky about someone that can't correctly use the word ignorant calling others the same...
You are correct - there was plenty to criticize about the poster's stance without going into grammar, spelling, and punctuation...

Well, thanks for pointing out and it is news to me. Ignorant is a noun as I've always used it. He is an ignorant. It is also used as an adjective. I guess I'll have to get a ruling from someone smarter than me on grammar. I've always used it both ways.

[SubLiterate]

religion kills wrote:

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Well, thanks for pointing out and it is news to me. Ignorant is a noun as I've always used it. He is an ignorant. It is also used as an adjective. I guess I'll have to get a ruling from someone smarter than me on grammar. I've always used it both ways.

Ignoramus is the correct word. Go forth and sin no more!

[religion kills]

SubLiterate wrote:

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Ignoramus is the correct word. Go forth and sin no more!

From the depths of my brain I'm recalling that..thanks for the tip.

[RDL]

The swine flu is really not that bad. Several of my coworkers caught the virus, they stayed home to recover, and within a couple of weeks they were better than ever.

The vaccine, on the other hand, well I've heard some people had some bad reactions to it.

[Tbird19482]

friend wrote:

You'd think people would learn to communicate better so their comments don't get removed. The majority never got GBS in 1976 and they're not now, either.
As for vaccines and autism, there is no credible scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism, however one day they may find it may for a small portion of people but then they'll not call it autism. They'd end up calling it something else while others like my child with 'real' autism are being born. Even if vaccines do cause autism, instead of name-calling and attacking, tell me how? Explain why some kids have autism after vaccines but most never do? What is it about vaccines that cause it?? Why more boys than girls?? We're talking scientific evidence, not parental reporting.

I found this website today and have been reading all the posts.

It is very interesting, I have a son 30 years old with Autism and I would like to say I think more studies have to be done and that Parental reporting is very important.

See if you report any vaccine reactions back to your family Dr, they have to fill out a report and turn it into the CDC.

Alot of times this is not done and the CDC never gets this info.

My son like many other children who have Autism seemed to be normal until just after getting the well baby shot at about 18 to 20 mo. old.
Then in a few hours he was very sick and all the Dr would say is it was a normal reaction to the shot and don't worry he would be o.k.
Then in a week or so we watched him regress back into himself and it has taken years for him to get to be any where normal.

Have a good day and God Bless

[friend]

Tbird~ parental reporting is important, but you need more than just that. I cant speak at all about a doctor not reporting something to the CDC, I hear that all the time but there's really no way to prove this or not. I personally believe for many people there is a predisposition, or a combination during a vaccine that may create those autism- like results however of the vast amount of people whose been vaccinated, autism rates are very low. I believe one day they'll find that predisposition and those who have that should not have a vaccine but I think contracting the virus could also be the trigger as well.

Autism can happen without vaccines, without medicines at all. There are kids like my cousin who had a vaccine reaction but didn't end up having autism. That's what no one as of today can answer. Why some kids but not all? Why more boys than girls? Why close doors to other causes than focusing on only vaccines? And finally, I'm not sure what 'normal' is and if you base it off these forums, you get very used to the fact that everyone is different, communicates different and my son may not be what you consider normal, but I am here to also say the world needs to learn what acceptance is. If you're looking for normal in autism, good luck. I have a pretty cool kid who happens to have autism. I can look at him to see great joy, he's whole life doesn't have to be autism. I cant blame anyone for his autism. It would suck up way too much time.

happy day to you.

[CURLY1]

endthefed wrote:

Robert F Kennedy Jr: Shocking Vaccine Cover
www.youtube.com/watch...
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keep drinking....

[Tbird19482]

friend wrote:

Tbird~ parental reporting is important, but you need more than just that. I cant speak at all about a doctor not reporting something to the CDC, I hear that all the time but there's really no way to prove this or not. I personally believe for many people there is a predisposition, or a combination during a vaccine that may create those autism- like results however of the vast amount of people whose been vaccinated, autism rates are very low. I believe one day they'll find that predisposition and those who have that should not have a vaccine but I think contracting the virus could also be the trigger as well.
Autism can happen without vaccines, without medicines at all. There are kids like my cousin who had a vaccine reaction but didn't end up having autism. That's what no one as of today can answer. Why some kids but not all? Why more boys than girls? Why close doors to other causes than focusing on only vaccines? And finally, I'm not sure what 'normal' is and if you base it off these forums, you get very used to the fact that everyone is different, communicates different and my son may not be what you consider normal, but I am here to also say the world needs to learn what acceptance is. If you're looking for normal in autism, good luck. I have a pretty cool kid who happens to have autism. I can look at him to see great joy, he's whole life doesn't have to be autism. I cant blame anyone for his autism. It would suck up way too much time.
happy day to you.

As I was saying if people would make their DR. report any adverse effects that come on just after their child has any type of shot,[vaccine]to the CDC, these cases of " its just a reaction to the shot" would be tracked and looked into, not just swept under the rug.

The DR. has an obligation to report these cases to the CDC. and You have the right to have a copy of the report.

As I said if more people would report these cases to the CDC, Maybe they could track this better.

Have a nice day

[Tbird19482]

friend wrote:

Tbird~ parental reporting is important, but you need more than just that. I cant speak at all about a doctor not reporting something to the CDC, I hear that all the time but there's really no way to prove this or not. I personally believe for many people there is a predisposition, or a combination during a vaccine that may create those autism- like results however of the vast amount of people whose been vaccinated, autism rates are very low. I believe one day they'll find that predisposition and those who have that should not have a vaccine but I think contracting the virus could also be the trigger as well.
Autism can happen without vaccines, without medicines at all. There are kids like my cousin who had a vaccine reaction but didn't end up having autism. That's what no one as of today can answer. Why some kids but not all? Why more boys than girls? Why close doors to other causes than focusing on only vaccines? And finally, I'm not sure what 'normal' is and if you base it off these forums, you get very used to the fact that everyone is different, communicates different and my son may not be what you consider normal, but I am here to also say the world needs to learn what acceptance is. If you're looking for normal in autism, good luck. I have a pretty cool kid who happens to have autism. I can look at him to see great joy, he's whole life doesn't have to be autism. I cant blame anyone for his autism. It would suck up way too much time.
happy day to you.

P.S. it is a case of you don't know what you don't know.
And if the CDC isn't informed of these cases they don't know about them.

And if they don't know about them they can't track them.

Have a nice day and God Bless

[friend]

And I am saying you have no idea over all if doctors didn't report these things, and some where along the way they did or they wouldn't had come up with the known side effects or recalls. For the most part, it is normal side effects from a vaccine and I'd guess almost every kid who had a vaccine had those side effects along the way. For instance any time my kid is sick, he has high fevers, 105.0 and 105.8. It wouldn't matter if it was a common cold or a vaccine, his body just produces high fevers but that didn't result in his autism.
What you're trying to suggest is if more reporting happened, they'd have a better idea of why autism happens. The deal is however there is no blood test for autism and it's a psych DSM diagnosis.

Had every single parent reported a side effect and in the end autism, it'd still need to be shown that the over all majority who had vaccines resulted in autism, and that's simply not the case. Reporting this to the CDC also just might demonstrate the trigger, but not the mechanism for why autism happened for that individual. Vaccines leave the body in a certain amount of time and what people are thinking is genetically, for some with autism, it didn't happen that way or the immune system for some odd reason attacked itself.

[friend]

Well the CDC certainly knows about reported cases for quite a few years and not much knowledge has come from knowing it. We still do not know the mechanism of cause, why more boys than girls either. But even still, unless you can provide evidence that docotrs didn't report side effects, then you're only guessing the CDC didn't know. In order to track cases of autism with any amount of results, one would need to track family history, child history, other possible triggers and exposures besides and long with vaccines.

Tbird19482 wrote:

<quoted text>P.S. it is a case of you don't know what you don't know.
And if the CDC isn't informed of these cases they don't know about them.
And if they don't know about them they can't track them.
Have a nice day and God Bless

[Tbird19482]

friend wrote:

Well the CDC certainly knows about reported cases for quite a few years and not much knowledge has come from knowing it. We still do not know the mechanism of cause, why more boys than girls either. But even still, unless you can provide evidence that docotrs didn't report side effects, then you're only guessing the CDC didn't know. In order to track cases of autism with any amount of results, one would need to track family history, child history, other possible triggers and exposures besides and long with vaccines.
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I agree 100%.
What I am saying is the DR. will just say well its just a normal reaction and let it go.
So it doesn't get reported, and the CDC doesn't get this info. and with out this info from the DRs how can the CDC put out good information?

[friend]

As it stands, the CDC does have numbers for autism. As for prevention, no one knows yet how to do that so even if every single thing is reported, the outcome still is the same. If you're expecting the CDC to put out information about vaccines and autism, that isn't going to happen today or years ago. As of today, no one yet knows the cause(s) for autism.