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Bill would ban allergy treatments by chiropractors

There are 35 comments on the WHIO story from Jan 26, 2012, titled Bill would ban allergy treatments by chiropractors. In it, WHIO reports that:

Senate Minority Leader Bob Huff, a Republican from Diamond Bar, says some chiropractors have claimed they can use lasers to diagnose and treat hypersensitivity to certain food, medicine and environmental allergies, without evidence that the treatments work.

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Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#1 Jan 26, 2012
Thank goodness these legislators are waking up. Keep up the fine work Mr. Huff.

Enough is enough.

As a former chiropractor and as someone who regularly has been exposing chiropractic fraud, I applaud your efforts in ridding the chiropractic enterprise of quackery.

It a tall order though. Most chiropractors, meaning more than 80% of them engage in some sort of quackery and use unfounded treatments not supported by any evidence.

The commonly used ineffective chiropractic treatments are known as activator, gonstead, nucca, dnft, network, sot and AK.

Could this be the beginning of the emptying of the chiropractic diaper? Let's hope so.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#2 Jan 27, 2012
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA AH AH AH AH HA! The funniest yet!!
The loser, wisdom, wrote, "As a former chiropractor....." Folks, folks. Not only has the liar, wisdom, never been a chiropractor (he admitted this dozens of times in previous posts and is now backtracking) he boasts about being a failed one!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
For the record, wisdom also couldn't hack it as a plumber, a fireman, and a burger flipper. Why not? Truth be told, wisdom would have failed at anything he did.
Too, too funny. Thanks for the laugh, fool.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#3 Jan 27, 2012
The above response from our resident chiropractic nut is evidence enough that a full investigation needs to be done. This knucklehead has previously claimed that he can cure deep wounds. Bizarre.

Like the idiot chiropractors who claim that they can cure allergies without any actual clinical experience, quacks that claim that they can cure deep wounds, bed wetting, eczema and epilepsy need to be investigated and thrown in jail. Enough is enough.
ChiroTruth

Seneca Falls, NY

#4 Jan 27, 2012
Well Wisdom most chiropractors do not treat these conditions, and those who do need to be investigated and their license taken away.

All chiropractors need to expose ones who practice with no sense of evidence base. I am not saying that there cannot be any philosophical component but if you are being treated for anything that doesn't have a mechanical component involved then they should not be in your office.

Can a chiropractor treat someone with Asthma? Yes they can treat the components that are biomechanically inadequate. Asthma often induces fatigue and compensation of many intrinsic muscles. Also there are many dietary changes that can help these conditions.

Can a chiropractor treat someone who has allergies, yes but again the only component that they should be treating is a musculoskeletal hypertonicity. Also again we can divulge into dietary changes.

In many cases many disease processes have an effect on the musculoskeletal system. Resolving these issues generally reduce the impact of the disease and aid symptom relief.

Wisdom I think you are overestimating your figures but I will agree that most advertised money making gimmick laser treatments are nothing more than a light show with some therapeutic benefit.

What I love about chiropractic is that its an opportunity to utilize natural methods to optimize health and prevent many processes that are rate controllable.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#5 Jan 27, 2012
Well "chirotruth", I absolutely agrre with much of what you say....except for a few things.......

I believe my figures to be quite accurate.

I've known hundreds of chiropractors and have been to more than 100 chiropractic offices.

Every chiropractic office I have visited had an "activator" gun. Every damn one of them. And the activator, along with the "proadjuster" and the "impulse" are unfounded and ineffective for treating anything. But chiropractors use it anyway, you know, for the "elderly" or for those who are "too acute to manipulate". Its all a lie.

And while chiropractors should limit themselves to simple MSK conditions, the foundations of chiropractic, that "chiropractic subluxations cause illness", is still taught at the world's largest chiropractic colleges. And they DO NOT teach that "chiropractic subluxations" lead to only MSK conditions .. they teach that chiropractors should be treating anyone with any disease out there, And that is why the entire field should be shut down.

Heck "chirotruth" your colleague washchiro here claims that he can cure/treat deep wounds. that's a bizarre statement coming from a chiropractor even though he justifies his claims by saying he uses a "laser". Now, you know as well as I do that chiropractors get NO actual clinical experience in diagnosing, examining or treating wounds. Treating wounds is serious business.

You can set him straight right NOW or you can go back into your little imaginary world where "most chiropractors are honest and don't make outrageous claims".

I realize that there are some chiropractors who try to practice in an ethical manner. Too many however are defrauding people on a regular basis.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#6 Jan 27, 2012
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA AH AH AH AH HA! The funniest yet!!
The loser, wisdom, wrote, "As a former chiropractor....." Folks, folks. Not only has the liar, wisdom, never been a chiropractor (he admitted this dozens of times in previous posts and is now backtracking) he boasts about being a failed one!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
For the record, wisdom also couldn't hack it as a plumber, a fireman, and a burger flipper. Why not? Truth be told, wisdom would have failed at anything he did.
Too, too funny. Thanks for the laugh, fool.
ChiroTruth

Seneca Falls, NY

#7 Jan 30, 2012
Seems Wisdom likes to believe his own concoctions when it comes to figures. I have read many of his posts or should I say spam and yet to find him actually sourcing his data from any reputable source.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#8 Jan 30, 2012
"Chiroeconomics" ....... more than 60% of all chiropractors use the activator.
And since I've actually been a chiropractor and have known hundreds of chiropractors, I have drawn my own conclusions.

And "chiro truth", not that you seem bright enough to understand, but it is the chiropractor's responsibility to provide evidence that their claim is valid. You see, that's how reasonable people see it.

Its a boring response from chiropractors who make outrageous claims like they can cure things like asthma, bed wetting, deep wounds, adhd, eczema and then always respond with, "well, show me studies that it doesn't work".

Critical thinking is foreign to most chiropractors. I think you've helped me make my point. Your free to revise if you wish.

Or call me a "troll". hey its easier than debating the merits.

Lastly, I see you conveniently missed my other statement .....

And while chiropractors should limit themselves to simple MSK conditions, the foundations of chiropractic, that "chiropractic subluxations cause illness", is still taught at the world's largest chiropractic colleges. And they DO NOT teach that "chiropractic subluxations" lead to only MSK conditions .. they teach that chiropractors should be treating anyone with any disease out there, And that is why the entire field should be shut down.

Heck "chirotruth" your colleague washchiro here claims that he can cure/treat deep wounds. that's a bizarre statement coming from a chiropractor even though he justifies his claims by saying he uses a "laser". Now, you know as well as I do that chiropractors get NO actual clinical experience in diagnosing, examining or treating wounds. Treating wounds is serious business.

You can set him straight right NOW or you can go back into your little imaginary world where "most chiropractors are honest and don't make outrageous claims".
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#9 Jan 30, 2012
I had a fabulous day today practicing chiorpractic. In fact, I'm not done yet. I still have five more evening appointments.
I treated 43 people today, mostly carpal tunnel patients and a number of lower lumbar cases. I had three wound patients come in for treatment--all are healing just fine. One patient had a wound on her leg for three months. It is finally starting to heal and I only did three laser treatments. She is ecstatic.
Life couldn't be better. Chiropractic is THE best professiona EVER. I can't believe my luck I found it.
BTW. The Patriots should win by 9 next week.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#10 Jan 31, 2012
"one patient had a wound".

Oh my, there goes the quack again.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Jan 31, 2012
Folks, if you want a REAL chiropractic expert who is THE recognized expert, look no further than Dr. Scott Haldeman, DC, MD, Phd. He has REAL degrees unlike the liar and fake, wisdom, who has none.
ChiroTruth

Seneca Falls, NY

#12 Jan 31, 2012
Wash I wouldn't even respond to Wisdom, seems he just gets a rise posting here.

He thinks chiroeconomics is a reputable source haha. BTW chiroeconomics is a magazine like any other riddled with products to sell.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#13 Jan 31, 2012
ChiroTruth wrote:
Wash I wouldn't even respond to Wisdom, seems he just gets a rise posting here.
He thinks chiroeconomics is a reputable source haha. BTW chiroeconomics is a magazine like any other riddled with products to sell.
I know about wisdom. He's a big nothing with no authority over anything. But it's so much fun laughing at him. He's such an ignoramus. See, he's never practiced (no license, no degree) but claims he's a 'chiropractic expert'. Absurd? Certainly. But he's so delusional, and that's what makes him a riot. No one takes him seriously. He's a clown.
I'm with you. I read most of the chiropractic journals each month. Yes, Chiropractic Economics is a mostly about selling products. It only prints a few peer reviewed artcles each year. I bought my decompressiona table from an ad I saw there--one that cost less than ten grand--does the same thing as the hundred grand tables.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#14 Jan 31, 2012
Chiropractors claiming to treat "wounds".

Dumb ass hucksters.

We agree however, "chireconomics" is trash. Yet that rag, along with the rags "chiropractic journal" and "dynamic chiropractic" are the most widely distributed and read chiropractic magazines in the world. they are filled with chiropractic get rich scams.

Before I go, I'll just remind everyone that the chiropractors above have claimed that they are treating wounds in, now get this, hospitals and wound care clinics.

ha ha ha

Keep up the lies boys, you validate my claims about chiropractors being lying quacks, every time you post.

Oh and by the way, not that you idiots read much research but the latest research shows that your "decompression tables" aren't good for anything.

Bam!
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#15 Jan 31, 2012
know about wisdom. He's a big nothing with no authority over anything. But it's so much fun laughing at him. He's such an ignoramus. See, he's never practiced (no license, no degree) but claims he's a 'chiropractic expert'. Absurd? Certainly. But he's so delusional, and that's what makes him a riot. No one takes him seriously. He's a clown.
I'm with you. I read most of the chiropractic journals each month. Yes, Chiropractic Economics is a mostly about selling products. It only prints a few peer reviewed artcles each year. I bought my decompressiona table from an ad I saw there--one that cost less than ten grand--does the same thing as the hundred grand tables.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#16 Jan 31, 2012
AHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA The perv, wisdom wrote, "Oh and by the way, not that you idiots read much research but the latest research shows that your "decompression tables" aren't good for anything."
And how many patients did wisdom treat with a decompression table before making such an idiotic statement? None?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA AHA AHA Thought so, fraud.
Man, wisdom seems to be an expert on just about everything--even if he just heard about it a minute ago. Until I mentioned decompression, wisdom had NO clue what it was. I had to teach him.
So again, how many decompression patients has the con, wisdom, treated? None? And he's an expert? Really? What a con!

BAM!!!!
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#17 Feb 1, 2012
Ha ha

Still claiming to treat wounds I see. Dumb ass lying quack.

And yet another win for me. Excellent research has just exposed distraction tables as having no benefit, despite the fact that many chiroquackers use them to scam people.

And washboy says, but how would Wisdom know, he doesn't use distraction tables.

Ha ha

Ummmm, that's the way it works with evidenced based practices. We practice "evidenced based".

Poor little chiropractor, exposed as a quack AGAIN!
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#18 Feb 1, 2012
AHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA The perv, wisdom wrote, "Oh and by the way, not that you idiots read much research but the latest research shows that your "decompression tables" aren't good for anything."
And how many patients did wisdom treat with a decompression table before making such an idiotic statement? None?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA AHA AHA Thought so, fraud.
Man, wisdom seems to be an expert on just about everything--even if he just heard about it a minute ago. Until I mentioned decompression, wisdom had NO clue what it was. I had to teach him.
So again, how many decompression patients has the con, wisdom, treated? None? And he's an expert? Really? What a con!

BAM!!!!
As I see it

United States

#19 Feb 4, 2012
As I see it, this website is quite interesting do to the passion it seems to bring out. However, I notice that many posts seem to come from many who come from irony the diametrically opposed portions of the chiiropractic spectrum.
So as I see it, chiropractic is a profession that probably does have too many extremists, but why? Spinal and extremity manipulative therapy have been demonstrated to be quite effective in treating musculoskeleta conditions for over 40 years........ironically with most of the research coming from the medical profession.....Way back to Nachemson.......to Panjobi and White.....to Croft .........to Hadleman.......to Cox and there are hundreds.
Now.......as the undeniable finest of spinal manipulative therapy..........ad to that the fact that just a portion of our profession overlaps ALL of physical therapy..........although I will be the first to admit that many..........myself definitely not included..........over utilize passive modalities and under utilize active physical rehab.........well just these two facets alone........manipulation and rehabilitation are phenomenal.
However we also have the entire scope of a Dietician......an ATC ..........an orthomolsecular medicine specialist.......an accupuncturist and the ability to perform MUA .......with a tad extra training..........we are on the fore front of kineseotaping.......we can add massage therapy.......take xray....order blood work.....MRI....CT....PET..... ...SPECT etc. I could go on forever..........
So we may have the largest actual scope of practice that exists. I know that as a business person this profession has enabled me to open many clinics..........run a few other businesses and help many many people.
As I see it we should learn the research thats already out there..........really understand the importance of physical rehab and learn more each day. There is no need to hide behind the mail of philosophy.......instead...... ..open up your minds......learn and learn more.....realize that no one can cure everything but anyone.......with the knowledge....... can direct the patient in the right course..........So Thats how I see it
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#20 Feb 4, 2012
Open both of your eyes and maybe you'll see a little clearer.

More than 90% of all chiropractors engage in bizarre and unfounded treatments.
Treatments known as activator, nucca,, sot, ak, gonstead, dnft etc etc etc. You see, I am an expert at chiropractic and maybe the most well versed of all.

Classic example of chiropractic quackery. The chiropractors above have claimed that they are experts at wound care and that they were trained in hospitals to examine, diagnose and treat wounds.

Thats all a lie of course and not of those quacks is ethical enough to renounce such baloney. Why? Because they are chiropractors.

Generic spinal manipulation for uncomplicated nonradiculopathic low back conditions? Fine. Except chiropractic is mired in crap treatments like I mentioned above.

Open yours eyes and that's the way you HAVE to see it. A full investigation needs to be done. The pathetic clinical experience that chiropractors receive needs to be exposed.

As an example. Chiropractors claim to be "experts" at nutrition, yet they lack virtually any actual clinical experience in nutrition. Gee, does that give anyone pause?

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