Bye bye Vallejo ... It's time to leave

Bye bye Vallejo ... It's time to leave

There are 42 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Aug 12, 2012, titled Bye bye Vallejo ... It's time to leave. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

In my 20s I fell in love with a young man who drank a lot. He was beautiful and had great potential so I married him.

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djchefmak

Benicia, CA

#1 Aug 12, 2012
nice shop, great one of a kind art that is vital in any downtown you will be missed .... Djchef Mark.
djchefmark

Benicia, CA

#2 Aug 12, 2012
wrong name MARK!
tim

Vallejo, CA

#3 Aug 12, 2012
I am sorry to read that you were not able to be successful in Vallejo, because our town desperately needs business. I too look at Vallejo and see a vast amount of potential and it saddens me that
our city can't seem to pull itself out of the seemingly endless quagmire it is stuck in. Could you imagine a downtown Vallejo and Mare island remade into something like San Antonio's riverwalk, with thriving business, restaurants and shops? Apparently Vallejoans can't or won't
Keenly Aware

Vallejo, CA

#4 Aug 12, 2012
Well, Lavonne at least wised up to the fact that we are doomed to continue to slide downward as "conflicting visions" clash in perpetuity. Grandiose schemes are heralded and fail while practical ones are denounced and denied.
soaking it up today

Vallejo, CA

#5 Aug 12, 2012
tim wrote:
I am sorry to read that you were not able to be successful in Vallejo, because our town desperately needs business. I too look at Vallejo and see a vast amount of potential and it saddens me that
our city can't seem to pull itself out of the seemingly endless quagmire it is stuck in. Could you imagine a downtown Vallejo and Mare island remade into something like San Antonio's riverwalk, with thriving business, restaurants and shops? Apparently Vallejoans can't or won't
vallejo has an abundance of activist groups, each with a different view, all willing to fight, sue, whatever. there is very little you people can agree on.
anon

Benicia, CA

#6 Aug 12, 2012
tim wrote:
I am sorry to read that you were not able to be successful in Vallejo, because our town desperately needs business. I too look at Vallejo and see a vast amount of potential and it saddens me that
our city can't seem to pull itself out of the seemingly endless quagmire it is stuck in. Could you imagine a downtown Vallejo and Mare island remade into something like San Antonio's riverwalk, with thriving business, restaurants and shops? Apparently Vallejoans can't or won't
Need business? No kidding! Maybe we can get behind:
The chance to woo a large-scale office tenant to Vallejo's waterfront has spurred the city's Economic Development Department and waterfront master developer to update their plans.
Vallejo and other contenders have until mid-September to prepare their courtship of this unnamed potential tenant that wants a building within a 15-minute walk of the ferry. The prospective client is looking for a 46,550-square foot building with about 150 parking spaces -- primarily housed in a parking garage, according to a Vallejo City Council staff report.

The vision that thinks a Barbie "art" store can stand alone in a city ,Ike Vallejo, is naive. It might flourish in a subleased portion of a 'leather' store in the Castro or Guerniville. San Antonio's river walk would be fantastic! I am sure there are no businesses like the Barbie store on the walk. Sans the restraints and shops what tax generating businesses reside there?
save our waterfront

Walnut Creek, CA

#7 Aug 12, 2012
anon wrote:
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Need business? No kidding! Maybe we can get behind:
The chance to woo a large-scale office tenant to Vallejo's waterfront has spurred the city's Economic Development Department and waterfront master developer to update their plans.
Vallejo and other contenders have until mid-September to prepare their courtship of this unnamed potential tenant that wants a building within a 15-minute walk of the ferry. The prospective client is looking for a 46,550-square foot building with about 150 parking spaces -- primarily housed in a parking garage, according to a Vallejo City Council staff report.
Whether its Drill, Baby, Drill or in Vallejo's case Build, Baby, Build - the good old boys in this town will not stop or be happy until our Waterfront is filled with more empty buildings.

Mark my words ... the courtship will result in an 'un-named' tenant who promises us the moon, leading to a new building on/near our Waterfront; leading to a decision by the Tenant to wait because of some unforeseen issue that they had no control over(of course, after the building is already up); therefore clearing the way for more crappy Callahan deSilva buildings to be erected on our Waterfront.

Vallejo's sad and true story.

How about this - IF Vallejo is serious about fixing up the downtown, lets get to work on positioning Office buildings on the empty lots in the downtown area (still well 15 minutes of the ferry and in fact closer than the rumored site)... bringing workers downtown who will support restaurants, bars, stores and so the revitalization of our downtown will finally begin. Even it if starts as a daytime thing that clears out by seven pm as the fearful workers leave 'unsafe' Vallejo ... we will have the beginnings of something that will force our City leaders to finally clean up the crime issues surrounding the downtown area.
anon

Benicia, CA

#8 Aug 12, 2012
save our waterfront wrote:
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Whether its Drill, Baby, Drill or in Vallejo's case Build, Baby, Build - the good old boys in this town will not stop or be happy until our Waterfront is filled with more empty buildings.
Mark my words ... the courtship will result in an 'un-named' tenant who promises us the moon, leading to a new building on/near our Waterfront; leading to a decision by the Tenant to wait because of some unforeseen issue that they had no control over(of course, after the building is already up); therefore clearing the way for more crappy Callahan deSilva buildings to be erected on our Waterfront.
Vallejo's sad and true story.
How about this - IF Vallejo is serious about fixing up the downtown, lets get to work on positioning Office buildings on the empty lots in the downtown area (still well 15 minutes of the ferry and in fact closer than the rumored site)... bringing workers downtown who will support restaurants, bars, stores and so the revitalization of our downtown will finally begin. Even it if starts as a daytime thing that clears out by seven pm as the fearful workers leave 'unsafe' Vallejo ... we will have the beginnings of something that will force our City leaders to finally clean up the crime issues surrounding the downtown area.
Exactly, what waterfront property are you in fear of losing? The grass? The parking lot? Using Mare Island Parkway as a reference is it just the property to the West or is ANY property that borders the parkway?
the windy corner

Vallejo, CA

#9 Aug 12, 2012
save our waterfront wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether its Drill, Baby, Drill or in Vallejo's case Build, Baby, Build - the good old boys in this town will not stop or be happy until our Waterfront is filled with more empty buildings.
Mark my words ... the courtship will result in an 'un-named' tenant who promises us the moon, leading to a new building on/near our Waterfront; leading to a decision by the Tenant to wait because of some unforeseen issue that they had no control over(of course, after the building is already up); therefore clearing the way for more crappy Callahan deSilva buildings to be erected on our Waterfront.
Vallejo's sad and true story.
How about this - IF Vallejo is serious about fixing up the downtown, lets get to work on positioning Office buildings on the empty lots in the downtown area (still well 15 minutes of the ferry and in fact closer than the rumored site)... bringing workers downtown who will support restaurants, bars, stores and so the revitalization of our downtown will finally begin. Even it if starts as a daytime thing that clears out by seven pm as the fearful workers leave 'unsafe' Vallejo ... we will have the beginnings of something that will force our City leaders to finally clean up the crime issues surrounding the downtown area.
"...promises us the moon...", but isn't this what we have seen come and go with the cancer treatment center and then the movie studio? ms. brown said we have to be willing to take risks, and i agree, we should not sit back and wait for economic recovery to come to us, we should inspire it. i think anyway.
Zombie Watch

Vallejo, CA

#10 Aug 12, 2012
Vallejo is dirty and dangerous downtown. Lavonne may be saving her own life in my opinion.
gimmie gimmie gimmie

United States

#13 Aug 12, 2012
Vallejo has been and is run by liberals, what you see everyday is the result. wise up, liberals democrats only know how to loot and destroy and long as you let the entitlement classes stay the prime focus of the mayor and the city council not much can change. now the community activists [black panthers] are here to help spend the city money, how much of that will help the cities image ?
anon

Benicia, CA

#14 Aug 12, 2012
save our waterfront wrote:
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Unless some of you had visited cities that value open spaces and waterfront properties, I would expect a comment like this.
Most cities that are lucky enough to have open waterfront space and interesting views would never think of building on them just for the sake of building. I see many city owed downtown parking lots that would serve your desire to Build - how about you build on those first and then we'll talk about building on open green space.
San Francisco is a perfect example and mirrors Vallejo in many ways .. remember some wanted a freeway on our waterfront in the 1970s ... after the freeways came down in SF, the waterfront came alive and is treasured by all that use it. IF the day comes that people want to live in downtown Vallejo, those same people will thank us for having a vision of a livable city.
Educate yourselves - here one link and their are many examples. Building boxes on our waterfront will benefit NO one but the builders, especially if they negotiated the deal 40 years ago and have yet to start building anything yet.
http://www.jjr-us.com/index.aspx...
Can you go to image #3 in you "example" and explain where all this "open space" is other than the beach, which Vallejo has none? The aerial view seems to show quite a bit of development (commercial and residential) around their waterfront. Anymore examples?
Jim in SF

San Jose, CA

#15 Aug 13, 2012
gimmie gimmie gimmie wrote:
Vallejo has been and is run by liberals, what you see everyday is the result. wise up, liberals democrats only know how to loot and destroy and long as you let the entitlement classes stay the prime focus of the mayor and the city council not much can change. now the community activists [black panthers] are here to help spend the city money, how much of that will help the cities image ?
This is the right analysis at the end of the day. Johnson and his Great Society has destroyed an entire race of American people and the spoils of that failure have destroyed many, many cities including Vallejo. Now liberal democrats are helpless to do anything about it, they are joined at the hip to a political corpse. The blind leading the blind.
Bizarre

Vacaville, CA

#16 Aug 13, 2012
You guys have one answer for every question like cult members who drank the cool aid.
1. Running an art successful art gallery is a difficult task even in a good economy. It requires networking within the art world and major art scenes which are New York, Paris, London, LA and Shanghai. Outside of those cities, it's not going to happen unless you sell wallpaper art like sailboats or big eyed kitties.
2. Most people who run galleries or any successful business work and study at the same kind of business first. You will also find that many gallery owners are " independently" wealthy. Their wealthy social backround, elite college and years in the art scene connect them to the network of clients that will by the work of their artists , plural. Not just one artist.
3. When I saw the store on Georgia , I thought it was a textbook example of someone who should never run a business.
Before she signed the lease... Was she generating enough sales of her product to create the demand for a storefront?
What was the demand for weird looking Barbie Dolls? How do you market that and what is the expected annual sales and projected future sales based on past profit?

It was a ridiculous business. Common sense was not used.

To open a business reliant on a bizarre product with no sales base in a section of town mired in poverty that no one visits. Coupled with the worst economic recession ( caused by deregulation , a conservstive republican idea!) What did she think the results would be?

It's as stupid as the cupcake store, a business that can be appropriated by a supermarket. In an age of an obesity epidemic , they open a business that sells bacon covered cupcakes? An unhealthy product.

Again, someone who opens a business based on emotion or dreams will
have a hard time confronted with the reality of running a business.

She could have opened that store on Fisherman's Wharf and it would have failed. Who wants an ugly Barbie Doll?
gimmie gimmie gimmie

United States

#17 Aug 13, 2012
Bizarre wrote:
You guys have one answer for every question like cult members who drank the cool aid.
1. Running an art successful art gallery is a difficult task even in a good economy. It requires networking within the art world and major art scenes which are New York, Paris, London, LA and Shanghai. Outside of those cities, it's not going to happen unless you sell wallpaper art like sailboats or big eyed kitties.
2. Most people who run galleries or any successful business work and study at the same kind of business first. You will also find that many gallery owners are " independently" wealthy. Their wealthy social backround, elite college and years in the art scene connect them to the network of clients that will by the work of their artists , plural. Not just one artist.
3. When I saw the store on Georgia , I thought it was a textbook example of someone who should never run a business.
Before she signed the lease... Was she generating enough sales of her product to create the demand for a storefront?
What was the demand for weird looking Barbie Dolls? How do you market that and what is the expected annual sales and projected future sales based on past profit?
It was a ridiculous business. Common sense was not used.
To open a business reliant on a bizarre product with no sales base in a section of town mired in poverty that no one visits. Coupled with the worst economic recession ( caused by deregulation , a conservstive republican idea!) What did she think the results would be?
It's as stupid as the cupcake store, a business that can be appropriated by a supermarket. In an age of an obesity epidemic , they open a business that sells bacon covered cupcakes? An unhealthy product.
Again, someone who opens a business based on emotion or dreams will
have a hard time confronted with the reality of running a business.
She could have opened that store on Fisherman's Wharf and it would have failed. Who wants an ugly Barbie Doll?
There ya go ! barbie dolls indeed !
Just the Facts

Benicia, CA

#18 Aug 13, 2012
Vallejo is a troubled town. No arguments. But your letter reveals that you had a faulty business plan, reap the rewards of your own actions and then blame your failure on Vallejo's problems. The problems were already here. Your the one who built a business that didn't met the needs of the market. Don't confuse that with Vallejo's problems. They are two separate matters.
Martijuana Dreamin

Vallejo, CA

#20 Aug 13, 2012
Now you're trippin' again, another "grandiose scheme that goes nowhere", as was once properly described here.
Wellll, looks like we'll get the votes from the Planning Commission, then the new council majority can sink it for you, or try to "tweek" it, as they like to say.
yall come and spend

Vallejo, CA

#21 Aug 13, 2012
save our waterfront wrote:
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Wow - rather lazy of you to want others to do the work for you. That is often the case in cities like Vallejo who hunger for just something or anything and end up being taken advantage of by developers like Callahan deSilva.
If our waterfront still had prior rundown development (a la Mare Island) that we were working to reuse, our conversation would be different. In our case, we have open space and that should be treasured as our prize -- valuing our waterfront does not mean we will not have some development ... it just means that any development should be accessible to the public and limited to appropriate uses. For example, high rise office buildings, parking lots, and private condos are just wrong for the space.
Here is a link listing other mistakes:
http://www.pps.org/reference/waterfrontsgonew...
From here, you can find other examples that should inspire you to think outside of the box. You could also research the history of Vallejo's waterfront - we have a historic museum located downtown for you to learn more about what might be appropriate for our waterfront.
There is a lot of development just across the way that could be a happening strip of interesting things to do - imagine taking a night stroll over the pedestrian bridge (or in a water taxi from a pier at the end of Georgia Street) over to Mare Island to have dinner in an indoor/outdoor cafe.
Looking over from the Georgia Street Pier to the Capital Street pier where folks and families have dropped fishing lines and are just hanging out ~ sounds like fun too.
Now I know you're likely inclined to just punch holes into others ideas and dreams ... that may be your thing. The fact is that Callahan deSilva has tied up our Waterfront for 40 years and still we have nothing - another 40 years and we'll likely both be dead ... what do you want to leave your Grandchildren? Empty office buildings on waterfront property?? Doesn't sound very inspired to me.
this all sounds very nice, but we do not have the income earning population that would justify more retail, or a perception of a safe city that would inspire visitors. people run away from vallejo, not to it. office or high rise would be the best use for our demographics. let them come to vallejo from out of town and leave, so what? they may drop some dough downtown, or not.
the "build it and they will come" vision of kites and lollipops is just not going to fly in vallejo. poor farming is our signature, try to accept it like i did and enjoy your life. i screwed up buying a home here, and would kick my own ass if i could.
anon

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Aug 13, 2012
save our waterfront wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - rather lazy of you to want others to do the work for you. That is often the case in cities like Vallejo who hunger for just something or anything and end up being taken advantage of by developers like Callahan deSilva.
If our waterfront still had prior rundown development (a la Mare Island) that we were working to reuse, our conversation would be different. In our case, we have open space and that should be treasured as our prize -- valuing our waterfront does not mean we will not have some development ... it just means that any development should be accessible to the public and limited to appropriate uses. For example, high rise office buildings, parking lots, and private condos are just wrong for the space.
Here is a link listing other mistakes:
http://www.pps.org/reference/waterfrontsgonew...
From here, you can find other examples that should inspire you to think outside of the box. You could also research the history of Vallejo's waterfront - we have a historic museum located downtown for you to learn more about what might be appropriate for our waterfront.
There is a lot of development just across the way that could be a happening strip of interesting things to do - imagine taking a night stroll over the pedestrian bridge (or in a water taxi from a pier at the end of Georgia Street) over to Mare Island to have dinner in an indoor/outdoor cafe.
Looking over from the Georgia Street Pier to the Capital Street pier where folks and families have dropped fishing lines and are just hanging out ~ sounds like fun too.
Now I know you're likely inclined to just punch holes into others ideas and dreams ... that may be your thing. The fact is that Callahan deSilva has tied up our Waterfront for 40 years and still we have nothing - another 40 years and we'll likely both be dead ... what do you want to leave your Grandchildren? Empty office buildings on waterfront property?? Doesn't sound very inspired to me.
I am not asking you to do anything hard. Use your link http://www.jjr-us.com/index.aspx... and look at the aerial photo of Racine (your example). If that is your vision for Vallejo then I have no complaint. Looks like a mix use of residential, athletic fields, some mercantile (?) and a Marina
SaveOurCityFirst

Vallejo, CA

#24 Aug 13, 2012
These grandiose schemes of a waterfront like examples given will not work here. People have no reason to come to Vallejo as a destination unless they are going to Six Flags. I have witnessed over 20 years of "build it and they will come" attitudes as if the criminal rich environment of the downtown and waterfront areas doesn't even exist.
"Way-finding" signs? They already exist, pointing people to AmCan and Benicia for clean and criminal-free commercial areas.

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