Does ADHD exist?

“Meow!”

Since: Sep 07

Staten Island, NY

#21 Sep 9, 2007
Jan wrote:
I don't mean to minimize anyone's problems, but I can't help but wonder if ADHD is at least partly an imaginary disease that the drug companies have invented just to sell their products. Is part of this problem just a re-definition of childhood restlessness to make it a disease that requires drugs?
The same thing has been done with high blood pressure and osteoporosis. Problems that used to be considered normal until they got very extreme are now often defined as diseases that require medical treatment.
Hypertension is one of the leading causes of death. There is nothing normal about it.
I am an adult with ADHD. As a child I was never diagnosed. Not until my life was a mess (personal and professionally) that I was diagnosed.
ADHD isn't all about the kids.
Educate yourself.

“Meow!”

Since: Sep 07

Staten Island, NY

#22 Sep 9, 2007
ADD was created in 1980, ADHD in 1987. The plain truth is that they are not real diseases in any legitimate scientific meaning of the term disease. To declare otherwise is not medicine; it is fraud.
See my next comment for the rest of the points.
What is with this forum? Nothing but idiots!
ADHD has been known for about 100 years
If ADHD isn't real, then the Social Security Administration must be mistaken to have given me SSD because of my disability.
Oh, cancer, hypertension, epilepsy are fake diseases too.
questions

Leesburg, FL

#23 Sep 10, 2007
ADDrienne wrote:
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What is with this forum? Nothing but idiots!
ADHD has been known for about 100 years
If ADHD isn't real, then the Social Security Administration must be mistaken to have given me SSD because of my disability.
Oh, cancer, hypertension, epilepsy are fake diseases too.
Here is a quote from a fellow who is helping create more diseases,[As the drug companies are running out of real diseases to boost their pharmaceutical sales, they're increasingly inventing new, fictitious diseases in order to scare people into thinking they have some sort of disorder or dysfunction. Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is perhaps the best known fictitious disease invented to sell psychotropic drugs, but there are many other made-up diseases such as General Anxiety Disorder (GAD).
All this is headed to an obvious conclusion: every quirky or uncomfortable human behavior will soon be labeled a disease, and a medication will be quickly be dispensed to deal with that "disease." Of course, it may take the drug industry years to invent all these diseases, but you can bet they have teams of scientists working on that effort right now.

But why wait? I decided to pitch in and help the drug companies by listing quirky human behaviors that deserve to be called diseases right now! There's hardly a person alive who hasn't exhibited one or more of these behaviors, meaning there's a huge untapped drug market out there for the taking!

So this is my goodwill deed for Big Pharma today: my list of human behaviors that should be diseases, but aren't. So far, at least.

(Note: some of these diseases are considered "real" by organized medicine! See if you can spot them...)

Refrigerator Door Disease (RDD)
This disease is characterized by standing in front of the refrigerator with the door wide open, staring blankly into a collection of fuzzy jars of grape jelly, half-eaten margarine tubs with bread crumbs, and something that used to resemble fresh fruit (but might actually be meatloaf). This disease strikes only at night, and is accompanied by light sensitivity that makes the refrigerator light seem ten times brighter than normal so that it pierces closed eyelids like the flashlight of God himself.

Language Obfuscation Disorder (LOD)
Striking mostly doctors, surgeons and oncologists, Language Obfuscation Disorder causes its victims to speak in unintelligible medi-babble while imagining their words make perfect sense. People afflicted with this disease literally speak in Greek, substituting normal-sounding English words (like "liver" and "inflamed") with words made of Greek elements ("hepato" and "itis" or just hepatitis.) Interestingly, two or more victims of LOD seem to be able to understand each other perfectly well, although no one else has any idea what they're saying.

Obsessive Hosiery Dislocation Disorder (OHDD)
OHDD is characterized by a frantic household search for the other sock of any given sock pairs. Victims of this disease, when finding only one sock from a pair, feel the universe has fallen into a state of great imbalance that can only be restored through the recovery of the missing sock. Victims may also become sock-dependent, whereby they repeatedly buy new socks in the hopes that sheer sock volume will make up for the universal imbalance caused by dislocated socks. In advanced stages, this disease causes people to safety-pin their socks together in the wash.

Commerce Anxiety Disorder (CAD)
more on next post
questions

Leesburg, FL

#24 Sep 10, 2007
ADDrienne wrote:
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Hypertension is one of the leading causes of death. There is nothing normal about it.
I am an adult with ADHD. As a child I was never diagnosed. Not until my life was a mess (personal and professionally) that I was diagnosed.
ADHD isn't all about the kids.
Educate yourself.
More created diseases,[Refrigerator Door Disease (RDD)
This disease is characterized by standing in front of the refrigerator with the door wide open, staring blankly into a collection of fuzzy jars of grape jelly, half-eaten margarine tubs with bread crumbs, and something that used to resemble fresh fruit (but might actually be meatloaf). This disease strikes only at night, and is accompanied by light sensitivity that makes the refrigerator light seem ten times brighter than normal so that it pierces closed eyelids like the flashlight of God himself.
Language Obfuscation Disorder (LOD)
Striking mostly doctors, surgeons and oncologists, Language Obfuscation Disorder causes its victims to speak in unintelligible medi-babble while imagining their words make perfect sense. People afflicted with this disease literally speak in Greek, substituting normal-sounding English words (like "liver" and "inflamed") with words made of Greek elements ("hepato" and "itis" or just hepatitis.) Interestingly, two or more victims of LOD seem to be able to understand each other perfectly well, although no one else has any idea what they're saying.
Commerce Anxiety Disorder (CAD)
Characterized by heightened worry over whether your credit card charge will be declined at the cash register, Commerce Anxiety Disorder afflicts primarily people under 35. Victims of CAD frequently experience sweaty palms and heart palpitations at any checkout counter, and they often carry three or four credit cards or debit cards in order to have a backup plan should one piece of plastic fail the transaction.
Repetitive Remote Disorder (RDD)
This devastating disease afflicts mostly males aged 15 - 35 and is characterized by rapid channel surfing of cable television using a remote control device. Victims of RDD can often flip through over 100 channels is less than one minute, spending just slightly over one-half second per channel to evaluate its programming. This near-subliminal exposure to channels of varied television programming can cause long-term damage to the retina and visual recognition system, leaving RDD victims in a permanent zombie-like state where they can no longer recognize anything other than brand logos or sports teams.
Obsessive Wardrobe Change Disorder (OWCD)
This fascinating disease afflicts mostly women and is characterized by the incessant changing of clothing before a planned event (for which the victim is usually late). OWCD victims have been known to change clothes up to nine times before deciding on something to wear -- which is usually the initial item the victim tried on in the first place. Women with OWCD are often married to men with Repetitive Remote Disorder (RRD), which actually works out nicely because it gives the husband something to do while waiting for the OWCD victim to work out her wardrobe obsession.
Obsessive Disobedience Disorder (ODD)
This disease is characterized by a persistent distrust of authority figures, including schoolteachers, government officials and often law enforcement figures as well. While most normal people have no trouble whatsoever in following orders (even seemingly ridiculous ones) from anyone displaying the symbols of authority, victims of ODD believe they alone have the right to think and make their own decisions. For obvious reasons, ODD people are dangerous to the balance and harmony of society, and they should all be medicated ("treated") as quickly as possible, for their own protection.(Did you guess this one? It's a "real" disorder currently being discussed by those in the psychiatric community!)
questions

Leesburg, FL

#25 Sep 10, 2007
ADHD Mom wrote:
If someone thinks ADHD doesn't exist, they simply haven't met someone that has it. My middle son has it, as does my husband, and one of his sisters, and one of his nieces. It runs in families.
If you were around my son longer than a minute or so, you would see how much he is struggling all day every day with his ADHD symptoms. He needs one-on-one help throughout each school day just to get through the day and accomplish any schoolwork.
Or, just try having a conversation with my husband that lasts more than half a minute, haha.
ADHD is very real, and very frustrating to those that have it and to their families.
Do a little research. Change your diet.Stop drugging your children.
questions

Leesburg, FL

#26 Sep 10, 2007
William Pratt III wrote:
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Jan,
It is'nt a disease. That's the lie.
Here are few simple truths about ADHD and stimulant drugs. These are responses to common "professional statements" made to parents about their children.
Doctors, mental health professionals, and educators often say things about "Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder" (ADHD) that are unproven. These same professionals often say things about drugs that are supposed to treat "ADHD" that are not true. This article reveals and responds to six common lies or misleading statements you might be told.
1. "ADHD" is a brain-based biological disorder, caused by a chemical imbalance in your child's brain. The simple fact is that there is absolutely no reliable test that accurately distinguishes between children that are supposed to have "ADHD" and those that are not. The simplest way to counter this statement is to ask for a medical test to prove that your child has "ADHD." Many physicians will respond to your request by saying that the test is too expensive. You must persevere and ask that your insurance company pay for those tests. You can also ask any professional to show you the article or articles in the scientific literature that proves the existence of a confirmatory physical or chemical abnormality that validates the existence of ADHD as a medical disease. The plain truth is that no such article exists. If someone gives you an article, please share and discuss it with someone who can critically analyze it.
2. The symptoms are clearly printed in a book called the DSM-IV (which stands for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, Fourth Edition). Yes, the "symptoms" are printed there, but as described in point 1, these alleged "symptoms" in no way prove that ADHD is a disease. Furthermore, these "symptoms" are actually nothing more than someone's observations of your child's behavior, and the truth is they are not even reliable as behavioral observations. To be reliable, people must agree that your child has "ADHD." An article in the prestigious Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, printed in September 2000, says that the diagnosis is very unreliable. Many children who are supposed to be "ADHD" are not identified, and many children who are identified as not having ADHD are identified as having it. This means that research done to support the identification and treatment of ADHD that uses the DSM-IV definition totally lacks support. It also means that no medical person correctly diagnoses ADHD. ADD and ADHD are politically manufactured concepts, created by committees of the American Psychiatric Association. ADD was created in 1980, ADHD in 1987. The plain truth is that they are not real diseases in any legitimate scientific meaning of the term disease. To declare otherwise is not medicine; it is fraud.
See my next comment for the rest of the points.
I absolutely agree with you.Intersting timing of the creation of this so called disorder.Persisting for at least six months:

Does not seem to listen
Forgetful
Has difficulty following instructions
Has difficulty paying attention
Is easily distracted
Seems disorganized
Always on the go
Fidgets
Has difficulty playing quietly
Interrupts
Leaves seat when shouldn't
Talks excessively] These subjective behaviors could be any child. In a report entitled "Education for the 70's" The NEA wrote:
Schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualised, psycho-social treatment for the student,and teachers will become psycho-social therapist. This will include biochemical and psychological mediation of learning, as drugs are introduced experimentally to improve in the learner such qualities as personality, concentration and memory.Hmm, then everyone seems to have this subjective disorder.You're right, knowledge is powerful.
questions

Leesburg, FL

#27 Sep 10, 2007
ADDrienne wrote:
<quoted text>
What is with this forum? Nothing but idiots!
ADHD has been known for about 100 years
If ADHD isn't real, then the Social Security Administration must be mistaken to have given me SSD because of my disability.
Oh, cancer, hypertension, epilepsy are fake diseases too.
people used to believe the earth was flat, didn't make it so.

“Meow!”

Since: Sep 07

Staten Island, NY

#28 Sep 10, 2007
questions wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a quote from a fellow who is helping create more diseases,[As the drug companies are running out of real diseases to boost their pharmaceutical sales, they're increasingly inventing new, fictitious diseases in order to scare people into thinking they have some sort of disorder or dysfunction. Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is perhaps the best known fictitious disease invented to sell psychotropic drugs, but there are many other made-up diseases such as General Anxiety Disorder (GAD).
All this is headed to an obvious conclusion: every quirky or uncomfortable human behavior will soon be labeled a disease, and a medication will be quickly be dispensed to deal with that "disease." Of course, it may take the drug industry years to invent all these diseases, but you can bet they have teams of scientists working on that effort right now.
But why wait? I decided to pitch in and help the drug companies by listing quirky human behaviors that deserve to be called diseases right now! There's hardly a person alive who hasn't exhibited one or more of these behaviors, meaning there's a huge untapped drug market out there for the taking!
So this is my goodwill deed for Big Pharma today: my list of human behaviors that should be diseases, but aren't. So far, at least.
(Note: some of these diseases are considered "real" by organized medicine! See if you can spot them...)
Refrigerator Door Disease (RDD)
This disease is characterized by standing in front of the refrigerator with the door wide open, staring blankly into a collection of fuzzy jars of grape jelly, half-eaten margarine tubs with bread crumbs, and something that used to resemble fresh fruit (but might actually be meatloaf). This disease strikes only at night, and is accompanied by light sensitivity that makes the refrigerator light seem ten times brighter than normal so that it pierces closed eyelids like the flashlight of God himself.
Language Obfuscation Disorder (LOD)
Striking mostly doctors, surgeons and oncologists, Language Obfuscation Disorder causes its victims to speak in unintelligible medi-babble while imagining their words make perfect sense. People afflicted with this disease literally speak in Greek, substituting normal-sounding English words (like "liver" and "inflamed") with words made of Greek elements ("hepato" and "itis" or just hepatitis.) Interestingly, two or more victims of LOD seem to be able to understand each other perfectly well, although no one else has any idea what they're saying.
Obsessive Hosiery Dislocation Disorder (OHDD)
OHDD is characterized by a frantic household search for the other sock of any given sock pairs. Victims of this disease, when finding only one sock from a pair, feel the universe has fallen into a state of great imbalance that can only be restored through the recovery of the missing sock. Victims may also become sock-dependent, whereby they repeatedly buy new socks in the hopes that sheer sock volume will make up for the universal imbalance caused by dislocated socks. In advanced stages, this disease causes people to safety-pin their socks together in the wash.
Commerce Anxiety Disorder (CAD)
more on next post
Your ignorance is astounding. Despite the fact that you think you know more then medical and scientific community.
Enough with the consiricy theories about the drug companies.
They can advertise all they want, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT!
If you had GAD, ADHD, you wouldn't be so quick to just the validity of the diagnosis.
REMEMBER we can go back to the time of no medications... when many people died of things that now can be cured.
Unless you have suffered the effects of these "fictionous diseases" you have no ground on which to stand.

“Meow!”

Since: Sep 07

Staten Island, NY

#29 Sep 10, 2007
questions wrote:
<quoted text>people used to believe the earth was flat, didn't make it so.
funny you should mention that. because your attitude is right in line with the flat earth theory.

“Meow!”

Since: Sep 07

Staten Island, NY

#30 Sep 10, 2007
questions wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a quote from a fellow who is helping create more diseases,[As the drug companies are running out of real diseases to boost their pharmaceutical sales, they're increasingly inventing new, fictitious diseases in order to scare people into thinking they have some sort of disorder or dysfunction. Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is perhaps the best known fictitious disease invented to sell psychotropic drugs, but there are many other made-up diseases such as General Anxiety Disorder (GAD).
Your ignorance is astounding. Considering you think you know more then then medical and scientific community.
Unless you have suffered the affects of ADHD or GAD you have no idea what you are talking about.
Pharmaceudical companies can advertise all they want. YOU DONT HAVE TO TAKE or BUY ANY OF IT.
Lets go back to when there was no medication or medical knowledge, half your family would be dead then you can think about the validity of medical research.

IFA, its a new disorder, "Ignorant From Alabama"
questions

Leesburg, FL

#31 Sep 10, 2007
ADDrienne wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance is astounding. Considering you think you know more then then medical and scientific community.
Unless you have suffered the affects of ADHD or GAD you have no idea what you are talking about.
Pharmaceudical companies can advertise all they want. YOU DONT HAVE TO TAKE or BUY ANY OF IT.
Lets go back to when there was no medication or medical knowledge, half your family would be dead then you can think about the validity of medical research.
IFA, its a new disorder, "Ignorant From Alabama"
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. I certainly don't suffer from that. That would be the effects of adhd, were it to exist.There are many who believe as I do that it totally made up. There are class action suits going on now. There are those in the medical field who do not believe it exist either. Eating well and having adequate shelter have done more for longevity than the medical community. They don't have any more common sense than most folks, many have less.Matter of fact doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Go get some more meds, I'm sure it will calm you down .
JAMIE

Atlanta, GA

#32 Sep 20, 2007
questions wrote:
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All this is headed to an obvious conclusion: every quirky or uncomfortable human behavior will soon be labeled a disease, and a medication will be quickly be dispensed to deal with that "disease." Of course, it may take the drug industry years to invent all these diseases, but you can bet they have teams of scientists working on that effort right now.
But why wait? I decided to pitch in and help the drug companies by listing quirky human behaviors that deserve to be called diseases right now! There's hardly a person alive who hasn't exhibited one or more of these behaviors, meaning there's a huge untapped drug market out there for the taking!
So this is my goodwill deed for Big Pharma today: my list of human behaviors that should be diseases, but aren't. So far, at least.
(Note: some of these diseases are considered "real" by organized medicine! See if you can spot them...)
Refrigerator Door Disease (RDD)
This disease is characterized by standing in front of the refrigerator with the door wide open, staring blankly into a collection of fuzzy jars of grape jelly, half-eaten margarine tubs with bread crumbs, and something that used to resemble fresh fruit (but might actually be meatloaf).
Language Obfuscation Disorder (LOD)
Striking mostly doctors, surgeons and oncologists, Language Obfuscation Disorder causes its victims to speak in unintelligible medi-babble while imagining their words make perfect sense. Interestingly, two or more victims of LOD seem to be able to understand each other perfectly well, although no one else has any idea what they're saying.
Obsessive Hosiery Dislocation Disorder (OHDD)
OHDD is characterized by a frantic household search for the other sock of any given sock pairs.
YOU ARE IGNORANT TO ASSUME YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND I HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT LAUGH AT ALL THOSE SILLY DISORDERS MADE UP TO JUST GRIND IN OTHERS FACES. I AM NOT SURPRISED TO HAVE READ SUCH A RIDICULOUS RESPONSE SO MY ONLY CONCLUSION TO YOUR POST IS THAT YOU ARE VERY LUCKY TO BE ON THIS EARTH WITH NO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. I AM A THIRTY YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO HAS ADHD AND GENERALIZED ANXIETY DISORDER. I DO NOT WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT BUT IT IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS IN MY LIFE THAT I HAVE TO LIVE WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY. THINK BEFORE YOU POST- YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT ON EARTH YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE REAL DISORDERS OUT THERE. NOT EVERYTHING IS FAKE. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM HERE AND I HAVE THE REAL DEAL GOING ON AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE IT FROM ME FOR A DAY--I WOULD PITY YOU & TRUST ME-- YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR POST ABOUT THINKING YOU KNOW ANYTHING! JUST BE THANKFUL FOR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH BEING FINE AND LEAVE THOSE WHO SUFFER WITH IT -YET WORK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THE HELL ALONE.
THANK YOU.
Jamie

Atlanta, GA

#33 Sep 24, 2007
questions wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. I certainly don't suffer from that. That would be the effects of adhd, were it to exist.There are many who believe as I do that it totally made up. There are class action suits going on now. There are those in the medical field who do not believe it exist either. Eating well and having adequate shelter have done more for longevity than the medical community. They don't have any more common sense than most folks, many have less.Matter of fact doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Go get some more meds, I'm sure it will calm you down .
YOUR COMMENTS ARE IGNORANT AND YET YOU ARE OF COURSE ALLOWED YOUR OPINIONS AS EVERYONE IS AS WELL. HOWEVER DO NOT ASSSSSSSSS UME (YES TYPO INTENDED) TO THINK EVERYONE IS ON MEDICATION. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR ASS OFF YOUR SHOULDERS AND QUIT THINKING YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. AS I MENTIONED IN MY EARLY POST. YOU SHOULD BE SO LUCKY TO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AND TO JUST COMMENT BY INSULT. "GO BACK ON YOUR MEDS." IS QUITE RUDE AND YOU SHOULD SERIOULSY GROW UP AND STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN EVERY ELSE'S LIVES. COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS FOR YOUR HEALTHY MIND. APPARENTLY YOU WERE SHORT A NICE STREAK. SHAME ON YOU!:(
Mark D

Ogden, UT

#34 Sep 28, 2007
misslisa wrote:
In reference to the posts by William Pratt III:
First, let me say this, I am a certified pharmacy tech and I have ADHD (so severe in fact, that my symptoms mimic Asberger's Syndrome, to which I have been tested for and do not have). So, that being said I must ask you, are you a doctor or something? If you are then I have no idea where you got your degree, but the school should be shut down! If you're not, then you are a seriously ignorant person who's in desprate need to meet someone with ADD/ADHD (e.g. someone like me).
I have been diagnosed with ADHD by several doctors, and despite the treatments I have gotten, nothing has worked, and as a result this disease,(yes I did say disease) has been a full on pain in the butt and completely ruined my life from top to bottom. I struggle everyday with the effects of what I have and it's taken a heavy toll on my personal life. For example I can't hold a job for the life of me, and to hold a normal, decent conversation without putting my foot in my mouth somewhere along the way is something I have yet to experience. All of this, plus more has knocked my confidence level down to record lows. So don't even begin to tell me that ADD/ADHD is just a fabrication or a lie. I personally find what you have posted a severe insult because you are essentially calling myself and others who live and struggle with this disease on a daily basis liars and frauds, which is in turn insulting and hurtful. I am not a liar nor am I a fraud, I HAVE LIVED THIS DAMN DISEASE FOR 31 YEARS! And I can tell you it is not fun. I do agree with you that Ritalin, and most meds for this are very powerful, and as such are locked up in the pharmacy, and are strictly regulated by the FDA as to how they can be distributed to patients. But calling them "kiddie cocaine" is rather extreme.
So with everything that you have posted, you truly have proven to everyone that you are a prat!(no pun intended)
Interesting discussion. I believe I have ADD and have feelings to support both arguments. So without being insulting to either of you I will give you my non-professional opinion. From what I gather, I don't think it is a disease, rather it is a condition such as obesity. There are things that can make it worse or better. Some of which are in your control. I have found that I have some control over my ADD by excersising more regularly, doing breathing excersises, regular walking breaks from work, taking vitamins, fish oil, and grape seed extract, and simply being aware of the condition/disease which I never was before. I don't know if it is one of these things, or all of these things in combination that is making me better (I suspect excersise is the most beneficial). In any case, there are times I believe it is my imagination, that maby I am just lazy or frustrated because I haven't acomplished more in my life, or that maby I developed bad habits that cause me to lose focus or interest in things. On the other hand, It explains alot of things in my life and it is very real to me. Since, the diagnosis, I have been doing much better. My focus isn't perfect, but just knowing what was wrong is half the battle. Just as an obese person needs to make lifestyle changes to feel better, so does a person with ADD. Should that include meds? Who am I to say... Just do your research and keep an open mind to all possibilities.
Living Proof

San Diego, CA

#35 Oct 7, 2007


The Biggest Scam which creates harm to the Individuals that HAVE ADHD, Including the ADULTS -(not only children have it) is that people ignore the fact that Today the ADHD is considered one of the best researched disorders in American History and the overall data on its validity are far more compelling than for most mental disorders and even many medical conditions," according to the American Medical Association Council on Scientific Affairs.



Please let us not forget that Dr. Baughman RETIRED in 1993, he was a CHILD Neurologist – so many advances have occurred not only in Science but technology, that allows us to be able to learn more about it.



Now, correct me if I am wrong, but has Dr Baughman been PERSONALLY involved in ANY randomized controlled scientific meta studies, clinical trials or research, based upon ADHD? In Any studies that have been acknowledged by the Medical boards? Especially in the past 10 Years, with the advancements of science and technology? And especially with Adults who have the disorder.. ADULTS who can articulate, and express their experiences better than children! Adults who can express their considerable frustrations and pain dealing with Untreated ADHD?



Noted Quote -
Although he is frequently cited by CCHR and has written articles in support of Applied Scholastics, Dr. Baughman is generally regarded as an unrepresentative and ill-informed voice on learning disabilities. The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) told the Congressional Committee on Education and the Workforce in a letter of September 29, 2000 that Dr. Baughman "represent[s] fringe opinions about the disorder and about psychiatry." His position is certainly at odds with mainstream research and ignores the findings of a huge amount of research from around the world.



Yes, indeed, the biggest fraud are articles and the individuals who really haven’t invested the time researching the disorder with individuals (ADULT) individuals who suffer from it day to day. and whom can share their Life Experience.

That indeed is a disservice to the public



He has been noted to say that scientific research has yet to prove him wrong.. i say that the Complete OPPOSITE is true. P.S, has anyone noticed also or is it just me, but it is very difficult to respond to many if not most of the sites that present these uninformed, personal prejudices? and if you do get to post, very rarely would you see your responses as they are being censored?



Especially noted by many of the "peers" and friends of Baughman? It does make one wonder.

from Living Experience
ADHDGrl

Flemington, NJ

#36 Oct 14, 2007
ADHD is real Disease or Not... That's a question for people who write text-books, not this forum. The brain of a child who has ADHD functions at a different level that a child who does not. It's measurable by science, it exists. For more information see www.adhdanswers.info
Samantha

Australia

#37 Oct 15, 2007
Guys, I know some people think this condition exists and others think it doesnt.

The thing is, whether or not it is a condition of the nervous system or a nutrient deficiency or something else, doesnt belie the fact that people are suffering symptoms.

Now that said, Ritulin is NOT the only answer.

To find other treatments, you can view them here:

www.vitalhealthzone.com

Go to "Health conditions" then "A" and thats where you will find ADHD.

It lists all the conventional treatments as well as alternative / complementary.

Just because you have a disorder does not mean that you cannot find a cure in nature.

In addition to this, latest research from the UK shows that certain artificial additives in foods can cause "hyperactivity" and "attention-deficit" like symptom. Now what does that tell you???

Here is the link to the study:

http://www.soton.ac.uk/mediacentre/news/2007/...

Seriously...

Guys, those of you with ADHD, look at your diet first and foremost, then have a look at your stress levels and your coping strategies. You can overcome this. You really can!!

Samantha
Julie

Auburn, AL

#38 Oct 17, 2007
Samantha wrote:
Guys, Now that said, Ritulin is NOT the only answer.
To find other treatments, you can view them here:
www.vitalhealthzone.com
Just because you have a disorder does not mean that you cannot find a cure in nature.
In addition to this, latest research from the UK shows that certain artificial additives in foods can cause "hyperactivity" and "attention-deficit" like symptom. Now what does that tell you???
Seriously...
Guys, those of you with ADHD, look at your diet first and foremost, then have a look at your stress levels and your coping strategies. You can overcome this. You really can!!
Samantha
Samantha:
While those of us who have it ourselves, or have children diagnosed with it appreciate that you are not the "Hellfire & Brimstone" preacher saying how we are drugging our children, let me point out that TRUE ADHD cannot be treated with diet alone. Sadly, some folks are diagnosed with ADHD that truly do not have the condition. If a child becomes hyper because he gets too much sugar (or a food additive or wheat, etc), that's not ADHD, it's an allergy or reaction to the sugar or other food itself. There are a lot of health conditions that have symptoms similar to those experienced by people with ADHD. A good doctor will rule those out before prescribing medication. Should we all eat a healthier, more balanced diet? Sure! It's very, very difficult for a parent with an ADHD child to make that choice to medicate. The best thing anyone can do when faced with the dilemma is to educate themselves and learn as much as possible. There is no cookie-cutter answer. What works for one child may not work for others. Some can improve greatly with behavior modification, some ADHD-like symptoms improve dramatically with a diet/health/exercise change, but still others only improve when medicated. There is no place in the "world of ADHD" for rigidity and lack of flexibility when treating it. There is no place for the right-or-wrong mentality.
Have we done this to ourselves? Certainly!! Mercury in vaccinations, lead in children's toys, poor diets, processed foods, etc - they can have all led to ADHD or similar conditions. But we're in it now. Sure, ideally, we should all be eating only the food we've grown, or buy organically grown items, but realistically, you will not get many who have the time, place, climate or inclination to do that. We have to do what we can, and take help where we can get it.
Samantha

Australia

#39 Oct 17, 2007
Julie

I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying that ADHD is cured by diet alone. No. It is a many-pronged approach that it needs, which diet is only one part. I understand that there are s many people who may believe that medication is the only only answer. It really isnt. To go the alternative way and to follow it properly (to the nth degree) requires so much dedication and time and effort, that most people do not have... I understand that.

From what I understand, even those people that are prescribed medication, they still need behavioural therapy and counselling to help them with time management etc.

I definitely do not judge anyone who does take medication. That is why I have both medication and alternative treatments on my site ( www.vitalhealthzone.com ). But what I am saying to you (and others), is that you do have a choice. But that it will take a lot of hard work to treat this condition with alternative means and most people will find that really hard.

Medication is a quick fix - which we have in today's society because we are all way too busy. I just dont like to buy into that unless it is for an emergency when medication is the only thing that will help.

I personally have experience with another condition which is normally medicated (not a mental disorder), but I have found myself that diet, exercise, vitamins and other supplements, together with stress relief were the way to go for me and helped me soooooo much, when doctors were telling me that medication was the only thing that would help me (as were other people with the same condition). I chose not to take medication, because I dont like the side effects many cause. And that is where my interest in nutrition / health etc came from... When I started researching what else I could do for my condition and then I decided that everyone in the world should have the benefit of my research, not just me (as I believe information should be free).

The thing is, because I havent been following my proper nutrition, diet etc, my condition has come back with a vengence at the moment and if I went to a doctor they would definitely recommend medication. Soon, I will be getting back to my regular routine and will feel much much better again. Thank goodness!

The reason I am talking about myself, and my treatment approach is so you understand that I am a human being too and I have had health problems and I know how hard it is to treat any health condition.

Samantha
Samantha

Australia

#40 Oct 17, 2007
PS My interest lies in the underlying reason for all health conditions, that is why I am studying everything.

Doctors / scientists dont even know what the cause is of soooo many illnesses (most of them in fact).

Deficiency in omega 3 fatty acids, for example, is totally implicated in many health conditions, ADHD being one of them. BUT, supplementation omega 3 fatty acids is not going to cure your ADHD alone. It might help those with the lesser type of condition, as it may be the boost they need for their nerve cells to start firing off properly, but for others, who have the conditions to a more severe degree, that is not enough, as other parts of their brain need different treatment.

I know some people may think that that medication (for any condition) is going to cure their condition - it wont. You still need to manage the condition in all aspects of your life, to ensure that it is managed properly and you have a better quality of life. Because that is what it is all about - quality of life.

Personally, I just worry about the effects (especially side effects) of such strong medication on young children, especially when scientists do not even know how these medications even work! Thats from the drug companies that make the medications. They know they work, but dont really know why or how, really.

For me, that is not good enough. For me, it would be infinitely better to try alternative / natural remedies to medication when I do not know the effect it would have on me.

But that's me. I lean more to alternative health and natural remedies than most people I know.

And that is fine.

I am just here to tell you that you have a choice and that there are other alternatives to medications like Ritulin. That's all.

I would advise anyone with any condition, to get as much reliable and reputable information that they can before they make a decision on what treatment approach they will take.

It's all about choice and whether you have the time / inclination to go alternative. But it's up to you to decide and not on anyone else to tell you what to do.

Good luck with your condition (everyone).

Samantha

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