the pro-adjuster

the pro-adjuster

There are 638 comments on the WBIR Knoxville story from Aug 15, 2007, titled the pro-adjuster. In it, WBIR Knoxville reports that:

Going to the chiropractor can be scary for some people. The adjusting and manipulation of the spine cause some to stay away, but a new device may change that.

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Since: Mar 07

United States

#21 Oct 18, 2007
DR T: would you agree.. that if a "doctor" , any doctor, is using a useless medical device, such as a "Toftness Radiation Detector",, or the "EB Detox 305" by whatever name,,, they are engaged in QUACKERY?
jim

AOL

#22 Oct 18, 2007
He is not going to say that. One of the main tenents of chiro school is that all techniques work. One technique working better than another or one not working at all would be bad for overall business. Since none of them really work you could understand the confusion if they started telling the truth on each other. That's why they stick to that stupid rule.
Dr T

Florence, KY

#23 Oct 18, 2007
lawman wrote:
DR T: would you agree.. that if a "doctor" , any doctor, is using a useless medical device, such as a "Toftness Radiation Detector",, or the "EB Detox 305" by whatever name,,, they are engaged in QUACKERY?
Sorry I haven't gotten back until now.

The reality of what I know to be true based upon what I can see is how I have created and maintained my practice. The other component has been to also address issues of patient care and processes towards a resolution for this patient in terms that mainstream medicine can comprehend. This has helped me go from a DC that was hung up on (via telephone) when I began my practice to a DC that appreciates the referrals of some of the best Neurosurgeons in the State. I wish there were more referrals, but is comes down to education of the other docs as well as the patients.

One of our Neurosurgeons sent a 71 year old retired Nurse to me the other day and she thought he was out of his mind to send her to a DC. She, once we went through the measures required to come to a successful outcome, decided to stay a give it a try. She, with positive results, has become a great advocate for our office and understands the "why".

To finally answer your question; I feel that until Chiropractic as a Profession matures and maintains a consistent standard of care processes so that the consumer knows what to expect, regardless of location, the profession will continue to be scorned. Embracing non-proven processes such as what you have added to the mix, in my opinion should be held at arms length. Now, the public may want that, and if so let them try it at their own risk. But I do not believe that it should be the DC that is the operator of said questionable device.

There is a market for all kinds of items that are being sold and treatments that are being presented. I tell my patients that I am not familiar with the device (what ever it is) and am not the one to ask information of regarding the device. I defer the question to a source that knows other than myself. Let the patient make up their own mind. It's not my decision.

There are, I believe, 2 kinds of Chiropractors;
Energy based and Physiology based.

I am comfortable with the Physiology and so that is my practice.

I hope this helps with your question...
jim

AOL

#24 Oct 18, 2007
The mystic of chiropractic is a big lure to the public. The other health care providers have had real decades long experience with Physiology.You would have to take a back seat to that. You know nothing of physiology that the real health care field with its institutional memory would not know. You depend on that mystic even when you try to disassociate yourself from it. Testimonials are the hard currency of your craft. Not science. Not physiology. Acceptance of the weird and unusual. Tall tales for the gullible.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#25 Oct 19, 2007
Dr T, thank you for the detailed reply.
It is true that there ARE a few chiropractors out there ( I think a small minority) who do limit the scope of their practice to what is appropriate to their training.
The other's do your profession a great disservice.
It seems to this observer that's because the many odd-balls and scammers out-number the rationale ones,and by a large margin.
As jim notes, the schools do in fact teach that ALL techniques work, and are effective for all ills. At the same time, the decent chiro's have a "thing" about not disciplining the worst of the bunch. Witness the mess in CA.
A state where the governator holds an honorary "doctorate of chiropractic" from Cleveland,and whose best man at his wedding- Dr(Chiropractic that is) Frank Colombo, attempted to pass himself off as a PhD-( he bought it , his PhD, from a now defunct degree mill ) but that did not stop chiropractor "dr Colombo" from advertising on the web as having a PhD -in nutrition -and selling nutritional supplements.
Unfortunately , or fortunately- depending on how you view it- chiropracTIC is so riddled with frauds, and quacks, claiming everything from being able to cure cancer to HIV that it is near impossible to tell the good from the bad ....
It is just easier to avoid all chiro's.
Until chiro's police themselves better ,( not happening), the schools clean up their act ( not happening), and the decent chiro's speak out about the quack-ado's ( not happening), their will be more and more people like me out there...born from stimulus generalization admittedly, who will not go to , and actively dissuade others from going to any chiropractor, because you just never know what you are going to get,(maybe a decent sort, like Dr T, maybe not), you might end up in an office getting your feet,and your wallet, soaked, undergoing a completly worthless detoxification treatment, or worse.
tom

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Oct 19, 2007
lawboy posts:

>>>"As jim notes, the schools do in fact teach that ALL techniques work, and are effective for all ills."<<

That sir- is a blatent lie.

Please produce evidence to support your claim.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#27 Oct 19, 2007
sure- go to the 16 chiro school web sites.
Or just show me one article in your famous chiro journals where on DC says "this (X) technique does not work" ... you will not find any...
Why don't you tommy boy, of the hundred or so chiro techniques on the market tell us which do and which do not work? or do they all work?

Since: Mar 07

United States

#28 Oct 19, 2007
http://www.chirobase.org/01General/chirosham....
Here is one DC who agree with me.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#29 Oct 19, 2007
http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/techniquelist.h...

OK Tommy boy- here is a PARTIAL list of known chiro techniques... You tell me ,,, are they ALL effective, which are? which are not?
Show me ONE DC school that has denounced any one of these "techniques" as bogus, just one?
You cannot do it.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#30 Oct 19, 2007
http://www.chirobase.org/09Links/chirotech.ht...
Here is another list of individual techniques known to be in use by chiro's... you tell me which one do you endorse? which is bogus? Why don't the
"schools" of chiropractic stop this crap?
The moneyeeeee hummmmmm!

Since: Mar 07

United States

#31 Oct 19, 2007
Do you see why I can say that chiropractic is like a box of chocolates.....You never know what you will get....Will I get a NUUCA DC, or a Toftness DC, or a SOT DC,,, an Activator DC...the list is endless.........

Since: Mar 07

United States

#32 Oct 19, 2007
So oh great one Tommy boy - why is it that there are over 100 different methods of delivery of chiro care--- they cannot ALL be right? or can they?

Since: Mar 07

United States

#33 Oct 19, 2007
http://www.chirobase.org/05RB/BCC/11k.html
See according to this DC, use his "thought programing" and ALL techniques work....

Since: Mar 07

United States

#34 Oct 19, 2007
Concept therapy peddlers claim:

For fifty years the chiropractic profession has been exploited by technique peddlers who claim that their petty technique is the thing which heals. But these elusive peddlers are now on the run! Concept therapy is exposing them, and members of our profession are beginning to see that they have been "hoodwinked" all these years by the fellow who ... sells a technique adjusting the spine. There are 168 different methods of adjusting the spine, each one boasting to be the best.

That was written in 1963 by the "seller" of the "new" Concept therapy chiropractic technique...
Only 168 methods--- my gosh!

Since: Mar 07

United States

#35 Oct 19, 2007
A mind is a terrible thing to waste...
DO NOT GO TO CHIRO SCHOOL! if you want to be a real doctor, a real healer- just go to medical school.....

Since: Mar 07

United States

#36 Oct 19, 2007
Mark Sanders, D.C.
Wrote his article 17 years ago...nothing has changed.....why is that?
Could it be??????
The Moneyeeeeee Hummmmmm

Since: Mar 07

United States

#37 Oct 19, 2007
http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/naet.html
One of my personal favorite's... what a QUACK !!
oh no..... I called a chiro a quack... I must be a- wait for it..... LIAR !

or maybe not.....
tom

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Oct 19, 2007
Lawboy- you are a malicious liar. NAET is NOT taught in chiropractic schools
tom

Minneapolis, MN

#39 Oct 19, 2007
Lawboy posts-
>>" http://www.chirobase.org/05RB/BCC/11k.html
See according to this DC, use his "thought programing" and ALL techniques work.... "<<

This was written almost forty-five years ago!!! Are you for real?

And again- You are a malicious liar. "concept therapy is not taught in chiropractic schools.
tom

Minneapolis, MN

#40 Oct 19, 2007
Lawboyposts:
>>" http://www.chirobase.org/09Links/chirotech.ht ...
Here is another list of individual techniques known to be in use by chiro's... you tell me which one do you endorse? which is bogus? Why don't the
"schools" of chiropractic stop this crap?"<<

Most of them I have never heard of.........BECAUSE they are NOT taught in chiropractic schools. You are a malicious liar.

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