Adults can have ADHD

There are 20 comments on the WTVF Nashville story from Mar 3, 2010, titled Adults can have ADHD. In it, WTVF Nashville reports that:

It is now thought that about four out of 100 adults have ADHD. And many of them have never been diagnosed.

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HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#1 Mar 4, 2010
There is no test for chemical imbalance. No medical model and no evidence based medicine. The mental health industry is based on hearsay, voodoo, Tarot card reading and crystal ball gazing.

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#2 Mar 4, 2010
Thank you News Channel 5 for putting this out. I was diagnosed at 35 Years old with AD/HD, and have learned alot about it since that time. I practically had to learn to live my life all over again, and try to break bad habits I formed to compensate. I am still struggling with it, and learning how to adjust, but at least I know what to do.

Resources for adults with AD/HD was not available as much as it is today, and there is still alot to learn. I am now a Life Coach and AD/HD Coach to help others, I have used a coach myself. There is nothing wrong with reaching out for help.

If you suspect you have AD/HD please do seek help by a professional that specializes in AD/HD.

By the way, some days I can write clear and concise, and other days I do have a hard time getting my thoughts straight. Today I am having a AD/HD momment, so please excuse me if my thoughts seems to drift.

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#3 Mar 4, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
There is no test for chemical imbalance. No medical model and no evidence based medicine. The mental health industry is based on hearsay, voodoo, Tarot card reading and crystal ball gazing.
That is where you are wrong. SPECT imagining for an example is a very detailed test.
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#4 Mar 4, 2010
The mental health industry (psychiatry) is nothing more than a method of social control..."

"I believe the practice of medicine is predicated on something called the "medical model" which doctors learn in medical school that has a set of procedures by which they practice medicine. To me, a diagnosis is dependent on a pathology: something requiring a physical exam, X-rays, EKG, EEG, fluid specimen. Psychiatry, Psychologist, psychotherapist" do not have a medical model and there is no test for chemical imbalance according to the American Psychiatric Association.

There is no imaging (MRI) or any scanning that could associate a good chemical balance from a bad. They age guessing at best.

Psychiatry to me is misplaced in academia and belongs in social medicine. Psychology should be part of anthropology and brains are topics of biology.

There is no evident based medicine and "no test" for chemical imbalance. There is no clear definition of what they are doing on ECT and how much memory would be erased or the damage to the biological tissue of the brain by the voltage and current. The same with psychotropic drugs.

. If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without an Xray or MRI he would washing cars the next morning, yet, we allow psychiatry to alter the mind with prescriptions of psychotropic drugs and shock therapy without any checks and balances

The industry has political intent and is corrupted.

http://www.topix.com/forum/med/psychiatry/TFO...

APA lies to the American Public and puts the society in danger

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#5 Mar 4, 2010
HumanSpirit first to compare a surgical procedure to psychology is fruitless.

Second to compare modern medicine to psychology is also fruitless. Modern medicine is only where it is due to research and alot of trial and error.

Third, even with the strides we have made in modern medicine they are still guessing, which is why it is called practicing medicine. Treatments we have today is base on guessing and causes and cures, and putting those theories in practice to see what the results are.

Last psychology is medical since several things effects the brain and how it operates. AD/HD for an example is from lack of brain stimulation caused by chemical imbalances, and this has been proven by using SPECT imaging. The more we learn about how the brain works, and how thinks like chemicals, oxygen, nutrition, etc... effects the brain, the thinking progress, and the behavioral process the more improvements that are made.

If our scientists and researchers share the views you have then medical science would have not came this far.

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#6 Mar 4, 2010
The article you posted about the testing is correct, as well as old. As medical science progresses so will the ability to test. SPECT imaging has come along way since then as well, but testing of anything is not an exact science. Even in the medical field there are alot of tests, and treatments that are not conclusive, and we still have alot of misdiagnosis and incorrect prescriptions.
billy bob slob

Nashville, TN

#7 Mar 4, 2010
Prisons and mental Wards should be proof that a lot of people are imbalanced!
If you are a Victim, "you"ll be a believer! Check on how people are being helped with Medications.
Uniformed people make stupid comments!
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#8 Mar 4, 2010
Jason B Bour wrote:
HumanSpirit first to compare a surgical procedure to psychology is fruitless.
Second to compare modern medicine to psychology is also fruitless. Modern medicine is only where it is due to research and alot of trial and error.
Third, even with the strides we have made in modern medicine they are still guessing, which is why it is called practicing medicine. Treatments we have today is base on guessing and causes and cures, and putting those theories in practice to see what the results are.
Last psychology is medical since several things effects the brain and how it operates. AD/HD for an example is from lack of brain stimulation caused by chemical imbalances, and this has been proven by using SPECT imaging. The more we learn about how the brain works, and how thinks like chemicals, oxygen, nutrition, etc... effects the brain, the thinking progress, and the behavioral process the more improvements that are made.
If our scientists and researchers share the views you have then medical science would have not came this far.
Get your facts straight. Psychiatry (Mental Health) has "NO" medical model to compare. No evidence based medicine on mental illness. Modern medicine has a medical model.

There is no neurological tests for any chemical balance of the brain known to say one brain is better then another. Therefore, Psychiatry wouldn't know a "good" brain from a defective brain.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on any chemical imbalance.

There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"

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"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#9 Mar 4, 2010
billy bob slob wrote:
Prisons and mental Wards should be proof that a lot of people are imbalanced!
If you are a Victim, "you"ll be a believer! Check on how people are being helped with Medications.
Uniformed people make stupid comments!
I never stated there was not people suffering from a chemical imbalance. I stated there was "NO" test or imaging to state a person a chemical imbalance. That hold true today.

The American Psychiatric Association (APA) lied to the American Public. They admitted the falsehood in 2007 after millions of people were compromised and drugged on that theory.

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

Snip: NY Times:

After almost 30 years, researchers have not developed any standardized tool for diagnosing or treating psychiatric disorders based on imaging studies.

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Studies using brain scans to measure levels of brain activity often suffer from the same problem: what looks like a "hot spot" of activity change in one person's brain may be a normal change in someone else's.

"The differences observed are not in and of themselves outside the range of variation seen in the normal population," said Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, chairman of the psychiatry department at Columbia University Medical Center and director of the New York State Psychiatric Institute.

To make matters even more complicated, many findings are disputed.

In people with severe depression, for instance, researchers have found apparent shrinkage of a part of the temporal lobe called the hippocampus, which is critical for memory. But other investigators have not been able to replicate this finding, and people with injuries to the hippocampus typically suffer amnesia, not depression, psychiatrists say.

For problems like attention-deficit disorder and bipolar disorder, the experts say, psychiatrists have much less research on which to base their theories.

Most fundamentally, imaging research has not answered the underlying question that the technology itself has raised: which comes first, the disease or the apparent difference in brain structure or function that is being observed?

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For a definitive answer, researchers would need to follow thousands of people from childhood through adulthood, taking brain scans regularly, and matching them with scans from peers who did not develop a disorder, experts say. Given the expense and difficulty, such a study may never be done, Dr. Hyman said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/health/psyc...

Since: Apr 09

Gallatin, TN

#10 Mar 4, 2010
sad for the adults that has to live with this. It is a very hard thing for them to deal with but also the family as well. My 16 yr. old nephew has this. He is taking medicines and has been in and out of the hospitos for a couple years now. He had a melt down last night and it was a bad one. I fear for his safety. I have no ideal if he lives to be an adult how his life will be. It is so hard because you feel so helpless cause you just don't know what else to do.

Jason, how long have you known you had it? Do you take medicines? If so, does it work pretty good? Can you tell when you are going to have a meltdown, or do you even have them? Anything you know that might would help?
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#11 Mar 5, 2010
Child psychiatry is sick with hidden conflicts of interest

By Dr. Leonard Sax

When I first began writing prescriptions for children 22 years ago, it was unusual for a child to be taking powerful psychiatric drugs. Today it's common. How did we get here?

Dr. Joseph Biederman is part of the answer. He's an important guy. His title is "chief of pediatric psychopharmacology" at Massachusetts General Hospital, the main teaching hospital for Harvard Medical School. Pediatricians and family doctors look to him, and doctors like him, for guidance about what they should do with problem kids. For the past two decades, Biederman has pushed the use of medications for treating ADHD and bipolar disorder. Over the past two decades, the use of medications for treating those disorders has soared.

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), recognizing how much influence Biederman has in promoting these medications for children, wondered whether the doctor might be taking money from drug companies. When first asked, Biederman admitted to taking perhaps "a couple hundred thousand dollars" from pharmaceutical companies. When he was asked to take another look, it turned out that Biederman and a colleague had accepted more than $1.6 million from the drug companies. And they hadn't told anybody.

Or consider the case of Dr. Fred Goodwin. After stepping down as director of the National Institute for Mental Health, Goodwin moved on to serve as the host of the NPR program "The Infinite Mind." Goodwin didn't think he needed to tell anybody that the drug companies were paying him $1.3 million, even as he reassured listeners on his program about the safety of powerful psychiatric medications for children. Last month, after his connections to the drug industry came to light, NPR canceled his program.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/12/1...

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#12 Mar 5, 2010
JMF58 wrote:
sad for the adults that has to live with this. It is a very hard thing for them to deal with but also the family as well. My 16 yr. old nephew has this. He is taking medicines and has been in and out of the hospitos for a couple years now. He had a melt down last night and it was a bad one. I fear for his safety. I have no ideal if he lives to be an adult how his life will be. It is so hard because you feel so helpless cause you just don't know what else to do.
Jason, how long have you known you had it? Do you take medicines? If so, does it work pretty good? Can you tell when you are going to have a meltdown, or do you even have them? Anything you know that might would help?
I found out 5 years ago I had it after a major breakdown. My wife knew something was wrong and started searching the net. She found Dr Hunt in Nashville and talked me into going to see him.

I am not currently taking meds right now, but I do not recommend anyone to quit taking meds without being informed. I started doing things like diet modification and behavioral modification. I might eventually go back to meds, I just have a hard time trusting pharmaceutical companies, but since I am not taking meds I smoke and drink more coffee then I should.

My website is http://newbeginningcoaching.net . You can e-mail me from the site if you want, or call me after 5 PM

Since: Mar 08

Smyrna TN

#14 Mar 5, 2010
HumanSpirit itis fine if you have your prejudices against the mental health profession. I do not disagree with you on concrete testing, but as I stated they have made great strides in the medical community with mental health.

The little snips you posted you can find all over the medical community, not just in mental health. You seem to feel since they have not made the progress you want they should stop.
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#18 Mar 6, 2010
Jason B Bour wrote:
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I found out 5 years ago I had it after a major breakdown. My wife knew something was wrong and started searching the net. She found Dr Hunt in Nashville and talked me into going to see him.
I am not currently taking meds right now, but I do not recommend anyone to quit taking meds without being informed. I started doing things like diet modification and behavioral modification. I might eventually go back to meds, I just have a hard time trusting pharmaceutical companies, but since I am not taking meds I smoke and drink more coffee then I should.
My website is http://newbeginningcoaching.net . You can e-mail me from the site if you want, or call me after 5 PM
I agree that person should be informed of the medical dangers of using and getting off any mind medication. I would discuss the situation of "discontinued use" with your doctor.
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#19 Mar 6, 2010
Jason B Bour wrote:
HumanSpirit itis fine if you have your prejudices against the mental health profession. I do not disagree with you on concrete testing, but as I stated they have made great strides in the medical community with mental health.
The little snips you posted you can find all over the medical community, not just in mental health. You seem to feel since they have not made the progress you want they should stop.
Stay to the topic and post your arguments for the mental health industry. Don't go throwing stones at me.

The industry, as I have established in prior posts have no science and are based on hearsay. There is no, and never has been, any concrete testing for mental health as you state. It's all propaganda based on voodoo, Tarot card readings and crystal ball gazing.

The APA admitted to the falsehood of chemical imbalance in 2007.

There is however, mental health political history to H W Bush and his son George and Ken Lay (Enron hall of fame) when working for Eli Lilly.

The only strides the mental health industry has made has been the underhanded ways of "Forced Mental Health Parity" without Congressional discussion.

Do you know or even have the slightest idea of what you are talking about considering the suicides, murders and violence along with the corruption and the disruption of our democratic society that is associated with the mental health and Pharmacutical industry and drugging of the population?

How about the new "Mental Health Court" or the licensing of psychologist to drug the population.

I agree, there is a lot written on the web concerning the deaths and destruction and the political reasons.

Here are some more:

Mass murders, violence and killings by mind drugs

http://ssristories.com/index.php

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From petition. com

Effexor

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed... ;

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Paxil

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed...

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Prozac ( Note: Sarafem chemical structure is same as Prozac /)

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed...

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TOPIX Forum

Effexor - longer term side effects

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/effexor/TLLBS...
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Marriages destroyed by SSRI's/SNRIs

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/effexor/TQ4I2...
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Effexor Withdrawal- any suggestions?

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/effexor/TCDBC...
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Antidepressants, Depression and Suicide

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/effexor/T0VGN...
Hasittoo

Dickson, TN

#20 Mar 6, 2010
As another who has adhd I want to thank the poster Human Spirit....

Your manic postings trying to dispute that there is an issue......Is one of the best examples for others to see mental health issues in action.

Normal people don't get worked up and waste as much time trying to prove a point that no one else cares to read....

Honestly...
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#21 Mar 6, 2010
Hasittoo wrote:
As another who has adhd I want to thank the poster Human Spirit....
Your manic postings trying to dispute that there is an issue......Is one of the best examples for others to see mental health issues in action.
Normal people don't get worked up and waste as much time trying to prove a point that no one else cares to read....
Honestly...
Here's a cartoon for you.

http://www.naturalnews.com/cartoons/mental_tr...
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#22 Mar 6, 2010
Why your kid is drugged in school

How it works:

The State Department of Education gets monies from the Federal Government (Disability) under a program called "Idea" for each child diagnosed with a disability. A disability could be ADD/ADHD, Bi-polar disorder, Depression or any of the other mental diagnoses.

Who profits: The State Department of Education, the mental health and counseling Industry, the Pharmaceutical company and the money that is kicked back by lobbyists for politicians special interest and of course the legal profession.

All this at the cost of your child's Health and welfare.

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IDEA" Final Regulation (part 1 of 2)

300.7 Child with a disability.

(a) General.

(1) As used in this part, the term child with a disability means a child evaluated in accordance with §§300.530-300.536 as having mental retardation, a hearing impairment including deafness, a speech or language impairment, a visual impairment including blindness, serious emotional disturbance (hereafter referred to as emotional disturbance), an orthopedic impairment, autism, traumatic brain injury, an other health impairment, a specific learning disability, deaf-blindness, or multiple disabilities, and who, by reason thereof, needs special education and related services.
(i) The term means a condition exhibiting one or more of the following characteristics over a long period of time and to a marked degree that adversely affects a child's educational performance:
(A) An inability to learn that cannot be explained by intellectual, sensory, or health factors.
(B) An inability to build or maintain satisfactory interpersonal relationships with peers and teachers.
(C) Inappropriate types of behavior or feelings under normal circumstances.
(D) A general pervasive mood of unhappiness or depression.
(E) A tendency to develop physical symptoms or fears associated with personal or school problems.
(ii) The term includes schizophrenia. The term does not apply to children who are socially maladjusted, unless it is determined that they have an emotional disturbance.
9) Other health impairment means having limited strength, vitality or alertness, including a heightened alertness to environmental stimuli, that results in limited alertness with respect to the educational environment, that-
(i) Is due to chronic or acute health problems such as asthma, attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, diabetes, epilepsy, a heart condition, hemophilia, lead poisoning, leukemia, nephritis, rheumatic fever, and sickle cell anemia; and
(ii) Adversely affects a child's educational performance
§300.24 Related services.
(a) General. As used in this part, the term related services means transportation and such developmental, corrective, and other supportive services as are required to assist a child with a disability.
(9) Psychological services includes-
(i) Administering psychological and educational tests, and other assessment procedures;
(ii) Interpreting assessment results;
(iii) Obtaining, integrating, and interpreting information about child behavior and conditions relating to learning;
(iv) Consulting with other staff members in planning school programs to meet the special needs of children as indicated by psychological tests, interviews, and behavioral evaluations;
(v) Planning and managing a program of psychological services, including psychological counseling for children and parents; and
(vi) Assisting in developing positive behavioral intervention strategies.
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Continued
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#23 Mar 6, 2010
IDEA (2 of 2)

§300.26 Special education.

(a) General.
(1) As used in this part, the term special education means specially designed instruction, at no cost to the parents, to meet the unique needs of a child with a disability, including-
(i) Instruction conducted in the classroom, in the home, in hospitals and institutions, and in other settings; and
(ii) Instruction in physical education.
(2) The term includes each of the following, if it meets the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section:
(i) Speech-language pathology services, or any other related service, if the service is considered special education rather than a related service under State standards;
(ii) Travel training; and
(iii) Vocational education.
(3) Specially-designed instruction means adapting, as appropriate to the needs of an eligible child under this part, the content, methodology, or delivery of instruction-
(i) To address the unique needs of the child that result from the child's disability; and
(ii) To ensure access of the child to the general curriculum, so that he or she can meet the educational standards within the jurisdiction of the public agency that apply to all children.

State Eligibility—General

§300.110 Condition of assistance.
(a) A State is eligible for assistance under Part B of the Act for a fiscal year if the State demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Secretary that the State has in effect policies and procedures to ensure that it meets the conditions in §§300.121-300.156.

State Eligibility—Specific Conditions

§300.121 Free appropriate public education (FAPE).
(a) General. Each State must have on file with the Secretary information that shows that, subject to §300.122, the State has in effect a policy that ensures that all children with disabilities aged 3 through 21 residing in the State have the right to FAPE, including children with disabilities who have been suspended or expelled from school.

§300.154 Maintenance of State financial support.

(a) General. The State must have on file with the Secretary information to demonstrate, on either a total or per-capita basis, that the State will not reduce the amount of State financial support for special education and related services for children with disabilities, or otherwise made available because of the excess costs of educating those children, below the amount of that support for the preceding fiscal year.
(b) Reduction of funds for failure to maintain support. The Secretary reduces the allocation of funds under section 611 of the Act for any fiscal year following the fiscal year in which the State fails to comply with the requirement of paragraph

More:

FREE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC EDUCATION

http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs ...

FAPE (free appropriate public education)
Title 34 Education

PART 104 -- NONDISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF HANDICAP IN PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES RECEIVING FEDERAL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE

http://www.ed.gov/policy/rights/reg/ocr/edlit...
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#24 Mar 6, 2010
Hasittoo wrote:
As another who has adhd I want to thank the poster Human Spirit....
Your manic postings trying to dispute that there is an issue......Is one of the best examples for others to see mental health issues in action.
Normal people don't get worked up and waste as much time trying to prove a point that no one else cares to read....
Honestly...
Not manic postings at all. I don't feel I am waisting my time. Bad diagnoses. It's a sport.

So what's normal? Come on tell us? Do you know?

Are you public relations for the Pharmacutical / mental health industry?

Aren't you speculating that others aren't reading these posts or do you have knowledge of all the persons visiting the Topix and reading these posts that may have interest.?

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