Since 2006, the Ohio Smoke-Free Workplace Act has banned indoor smoking at public establishments and places of employment, making Ohio the first Midwestern state to enact a state-wide ban.
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#400 May 31, 2012
Pop's you might have been a little too harsh on the kid it might be the start of him living on his own. It's pretty tough getting away from Nannies apron strings and finding out other people live in this world too.
#401 May 31, 2012
It promotes the health of the general public. How in any way could this possibly be considered unconstitutional?! The courts made the right decision!
#403 May 31, 2012
Judge Gladys Kessler, in her opinion in the RICO case against Altria, RJReynolds, and Lorrilard:
This "is about an industry, and in particular these Defendants, that survives, and profits, from selling a highly addictive product which causes diseases that lead to a staggering number of deaths per year, an immeasurable amount of human suffering and economic loss, and a profound burden on our national health care system. Defendants have known many of the facts for at least 50 years or more. Despite that knowledge, they have consistently, repeatedly and with enormous skill and sophistication, denied these facts to the public, the Government, and to the public health community."
"Defendants have marketed and sold their lethal products with zeal, with deception, with a single-minded focus on their financial success, and without regard for the human tragedy or social costs that success exacted."
"Over the course of more than 50 years, Defendants lied, misrepresented and deceived the American public, including smokers and the young people they avidly sought as 'replacement' smokers about the devastating health effects of smoking and environmental tobacco smoke."
Or, as Judge H. Lee Sarokin put it in an earlier decade,
"All too often in the choice between the phisical health of consumers and the financial well-being of business, concealment is chosen over disclosure, sales over safety and money over morality. Who are these persons who knowingly and secretly decide to put the buying public at risk solely for the purpose of making profits and who believe that illness and death of consumers is an appropriate cost of their own prosperity! As the following facts disclose, despite some rising pretenders to the throne, the tobacco industry may be the king of concealment and disinformation."
Nicotine IS a drug. The tobacco companies' internal documents make it very clear that they SEE nicotine as a drug, and cigarettes as simply a delivery system for that drug. Moreover, they also regard their true product as ADDICTION to nicotine and the servicing of that addiction once established.
Yes, indeed, there should have been significant prison time.
#404 May 31, 2012
No, I was not. You created that fantasy world in order to delude yourself into thinking your comment had some connection and/or continuity.
I was addressing the claim that ETS left no discernible trace in the human body. There are multiple tests that can show exposure at differing levels of sensitivity. The closest I came to saying anything like what you proclaim that I was "going on about" was my mention that some of the substances often tested for are a group of carcinogens that so far found nowhere else BUT in tobacco products and/or smoke. At that, I was identifying the nature of the substance tested for, and not saying anything about what it does to me.
My personally avoiding SHS (which requires that there be a predictably clear path between where I am and where I want to be, as well as clear places at each end of each journey--which will require significantly more regulation than is presently in place) has absolutely nothing to do with the measurability of markers for SHS exposure.
Those tests will continue to be valid even if I never encounter another smoker. Your "solution" has nothing to do with the discussion where you jumped in with it. Your entire premise is insupportable.
Of course, that comes as no surprise to anyone who has noticed your content in the past.
#405 May 31, 2012
Let us know when it becomes law and doesn't die as a bill like the Salt ban all the slippery slope chicken littles were crying about.
#406 Jun 1, 2012
I've had to move out of a 1st-floor apartment because of the smoke from others living on the floor (and from their visitors). I can absolutely empathize with your plight.
HUD is making an effort to help people with that by encouraging housing authorities to provide smoke-free housing. As I recall, providing such housing is one of the criteria HUD now uses in determining where grant money goes.
Here is the URL for an Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights page on smoke-free housing. There are links to a variety of sources.
I spent months homeless because I tried to find smoke-free housing after moving out of that one place. I finally gave up, and my current apartment isn't as bad but could be if more smokers move onto the hall.
#407 Jun 1, 2012
For not intending to be mean, you seem to be willing to be pretty mean. You also are stepping into territory that you apparently know little to nothing about.
I don't know the specifics of the housing program involved, but I do know that those who really can't afford housing in today's economic reality (and there ARE such in the US--don't let all the BS and PR about helping people in other countries fool you on that one) without the help of a government program have few options. If you add to the general list of problems an inability to remain healthy enough to find/fulfill employment because of something like inescapable clouds of tobacco smoke in your home, it becomes that much tougher.
It's a "catch 22" situation. If the smoke weren't causing such disruption, then perhaps he/she could get it together to be able to move somewhere else--but if the smoke weren't causing such disruption, maybe he/she would be happy where he/she is. Too, but for the chronic debility caused by the smoke, he/she might actually be able to find a way off the housing program.
It isn't as cut and dried as you want it to be.
#408 Jun 1, 2012
Sure, why who could have missed the massive demonstrations in NYC demanding the removal of large size soda's...eh?
You are a Nanny State "useful idiot".
#409 Jun 1, 2012
Since the smoke generated from grilling is known to be highly carcinogenic...surely you support this lawsuit....right?
Prestigious law firm sues burger joint over smell
By: Emily Babay
Examiner Staff Writer
October 14, 2010
Pedestrians read a note posted in the window at Rogue States, a burger joint on Connecticut Avenue Northwest, after the restaurant was ordered to close by a judge because the nearby Steptoe & Johnson law firm complained about the smell.(Andrew Harnik/Examiner)
It's a classic David and Goliath story: A white-shoe law firm staffed with hundreds of D.C.'s most-powerful lawyers has moved to shutter a hamburger eatery on the grounds that the lawyers didn't like the aroma of cooking meat wafting into their offices.
So far, Goliath is winning.
D.C. Superior Court Judge John Mott ordered the restaurant, Rogue States on Connecticut Avenue near Dupont Circle, to shut down its grill this week. Neighboring law firm Steptoe & Johnson had sued the restaurant, saying the firm's employees suffered nausea, watery eyes and headaches from Rogue States' fumes.
#410 Jun 1, 2012
This seems pretty "cut and dried"...eh?
Bloodless coup as Indian vegetarians flex muscle
Once Jain and Marwari families move into a neighbourhood, they tend to take control of the housing society and exclude meat-eating tenants.
"I don't want the smell of meat from a neighbour's kitchen to come through my window," said Gita Parmar, a Jain housewife in Malabar Hills. "I live in a vegetarian housing complex because I want to be with like-minded people."
Shopkeeper Bhavesh Shah, a Jain, who lives in a vegetarian block in Breach Candy, said: "Our housing society asks new tenants to sign a declaration. If they're found cooking meat, they're thrown out."
#411 Jun 1, 2012
Pops, Not intending to be mean BUT only direct & clear & plain....IF you can't live with a smoking ban ...you need to move somewhere that doesn't have one. I do NOT accept that you can NOT move. That's whining B.S.
I am sympathetic that you pretend that are being violated even when you aren't. Get a new home or something but the problem is YOURS. YOU solve it without limiting someone elses legal rights...whimp. Do you have a crying towel? Use it.
#412 Jun 1, 2012
My God, are you finally able to grasp something? That there is a difference between "the Government" and "the People"? Did something finally get through to that selfish little pea brain of yours?
Now back to your whining and your cut-and-paste amateur 'arguments' that have been defeated a dozen times already. Blah, Blah, meat smoke (even though grills are required to be vented), blah, blah, car exhaust (even though you can't run a car in a bar), blah, blah..
You still lose.
#413 Jun 1, 2012
By golly, you just destroyed your own kinds strawman! LOL
If you actually believed in the right to freedom of association, you would not seek the right to use "force" while demanding every place and every one cater to your kinds selfish desires.
A truly tolerant person respects the fact that not everyone will see life their way, and if they don't like the owners rules...by golly they simply use their right to associate with whom they please.
What is it about this most basic of rights that confuses you leftists?
Oh...that's right...leftists hate the right to freedom of association as they must force all to bend to their selfish will....even on land they have no right to be on in the first place.
#414 Jun 1, 2012
Do you ever grow tired of making a fool of yourself? I just proved that Big Brother has no interest in what the people actually want you left wing fool.
Then again I'm sure you will claim that the folks in NY are demanding Big Brother limit the amount of soda they can purchase...
The reality of the matter is you leftists simply use the power of the treasury to buy votes, and those who are on the take are willing to vote for your kind because if they do not...their "free stuff" would be in jeopardy.
Without your kinds ability to "buy votes" with "free stuff", your kind could not win a position as the local dog catcher.
Defeated? LMAO. You could not use logic to fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
Your shear hypocrisy and double standards are simply too easy to expose.
You and your ilk simply wish to apply one standard to something you hate, while you apply a completely different standard to something you enjoy or find useful.
Allow me to prove this fact once again....
Now...just what other forms of smoke are regulated with the preposterous standard of their being "no safe level"?
How about a list of the top ten?
If you can't provide the casual reader with such a list,(and you obviously can't) it will simply prove once again that your entire postition is nothing but a complete joke.
Now...what does it feel like to get your butt kicked (pun intended) by a "stupid" smoker? LOL
#415 Jun 1, 2012
The Freedom of Movement and right to not be poisoned..... Yeah, that's really confusing.
Yawn. You've never proven anything besides the fact that you're delusional. We've been through this already. Pretending you didn't lose and repeating the same tired bullshit over and over again doesn't change the fact that you lost. Get over it.
Blah, blah, "No safe Level", Blah, blah, "the grill makes smoke", waaah whaaah, "big Brother!", Boo hoo, "useful idiots",......... You're a broken record of failure.
Go ahead and let us know when you get a ban overturned, chump. Till then, you're whining is mere comedy.
#416 Jun 1, 2012
What's the safe level of smoke from burning a tire in a bar, again? You've been spinning like a top for years, but STILL no answer. Or the safe level of smoke from burning car batteries in a bar? Go ahead and tell us what the safe level is. If you can't then there must be no safe level.
That's why you lose. You're wrong.
#417 Jun 1, 2012
Nobody is telling you where you can and can't go you buffoon, you simply didn't like your choices so you like all of the left wing control freaks who came before you have done...you seek the right to "force" all to bend to your will all in the name of the collective.
Oh, and using your ridiculous definition of "poisoning" you and your ilk are killing the poor cooks who are "forced" to grill your burger.
See how silly you look when the tables are turned on you?
Property rights and individual liberty are simply not part of your kinds evil plans.
You seem to think your kind is somehow something new, but in reality history books are littered with your kind.
"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole."
(National Socialists head of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels; In Erich Fromm, Escape from Freedom (New York: Farrar, 1941), pg. 233.)
Only in your dreams, and yes we've been through this. and each and every time you expose yourself for the left wing control freak failure that you are.
Look you nut, your kinds left wing policies have brought pretty much the entire planet to it's knees. You and your ilk have stompled on the constitution as you place our children into perpetual debt.
Your kinds days are numbered...so enjoy this insanity while you still can.
Take a good look around you lefty, and take note of the fact that the corrupted system you praise in going up in flames.
The only failure here is the worn out principles you base your twisted belief system on.
Oh, this too shall pass you useful idiot, and at the same time we will do away with your kinds beloved Fascistic TSA, and all of the other unconstitutional insanity your kind heaped upon a once free nation.
Tell us..can you name even so much as one smoking ban that has stood the test of time?
Perhaps you will tell us...just what happened to old Adolph's beloved smoking ban after the fall of Germany in 1945?
History knows your kind.
#418 Jun 1, 2012
Just to once again make a complete fool of you...here is where your stupidity was once again destroyed...or did you forget about this exchange?
God...you really are a dishonest idiot.
#419 Jun 1, 2012
Exactly where do they serve drinks to the public inside of a lead smelter? Oh that's right, they don't Are we talking about a smoking ban inside of a lead smelter? Oh, that's right, it's a ban inside of bars. Feel free to post that safe level of battery and burning tire smoke it is OK to expose the public to in a bar.
Keep spinning, little man....
No name you call me and no amount of moronic drivel you spew will change a thing. YOU LOSE.
Keep us posted when the bans are overturned. Until then, blame every problem in the world on "my kind". You're perfectly free to make as much of a fool of yourself as you wish. Me? I'll be down at the smoke free pub.
#421 Jun 1, 2012
Smoke some more cigarettes. Someone needs to tell Linda that the Ohio Ban got upheld and that y'all lost AGAIN.
Doctors know your kind. They call them "stupid".
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