sleep apnea scam !

Since: Feb 08

Tomah, WI

#1 Jun 28, 2011
i'm as sick of hearing about sleep apnea as i am about fibromialgia,for better than 95% of the people 'diagnosed' with sleep apnea it is a scam to get you to spend money you don't have on CRAP you don't need.
most of the 'symptoms' of this 'horrible disease' can be traced to our own lifestyles.
tired a lot? well do you get your 8 hours of sleep every night?i bet not,most of us don't.other things that cause us to be drawn out are mostly eating habits...drink a lot of soda? sugar and caffeine will mimic symptoms of what they call sleep apnea as well as fatty foods putting undue stress on our fairly fragile bodies.the u.s. has the safest yet unhealthiest food available for it's people that's why we are the FATTEST country in the world,no one poisons there population more than we do,and that all adds up to sleep loss and FALSE symptoms.
can't fall asleep? did you eat just before bed,nothing like an energy boost before bedtime!bet you wake up with gut rot and have a tendency to gag in the mornings to.are you stressed out about the day's events and can't get it out of your head,naw that can't be it...can it?lets not talk about 'legal crank' in the form of energy drinks that we all THINK we need just to get through the day,we all need our '5 hour energy 'when it's probably because you only get 5 hours of sleep,even after the boost wears off it's still there helping you stay awake.
putting a fan in your bedroom to move air or leaving a window open at night keeps fresh air(and oxygen) coming in and it's a damn sight cheaper than $189 a month for CRAP gear.

Since: Feb 08

Tomah, WI

#2 Jun 28, 2011
depression as a symptom?????well why not ?as they have been telling us for years we are ALL depressed,take a little pill like they tell you to so you don't realize that getting depressed is part of life that normal people just shrug off as a bad day....until the doctor says it's not normal!sorry but if 80% of the population is depressed....that is normal! couldn't have anything to do with the state of events we are going through,we should all be overjoyed about high taxes and higher gas prices along with pay cuts to help us out with increasing prices on EVERYTHING ! just take another pill cause nothing says happy like a double dose of FUCITOL !
morning headaches,Memory difficulties,Personality changes,Poor concentration all related to not getting enough sleep i the first place.like i said most of us don't get 8 hours of sleep a night ,were lucky to get 5 and not because we CAN'T sleep it's because we don't give ourselves the time.
Restless and fitful sleep,well covered that,change your eating habits and leave the day behind when it's time to sleep (i know that's a hard one)
Frequent waking up during the night to urinate,how did you answer the soda question?

they group EVERYTHING in with sleep apnea,snoring is sleep apnea,change positions or try loosing some weight or maybe one of those spring loaded band-aids to open your nasal passages so you can breath better,again a lot cheaper than the machine and oxygen bottles.

when you sleep you normally breath deeper to increase o2 levels,if you rely on o2 tanks soon your body will get used to having that and won't function properly without it,and yes even if you don't have any of the symptoms but use this
crap gear and 02 you will sleep better and when you try to sleep without it you'll have a harder time sleeping as well as feeling drawn out in the morning from breathing just air,so the equipment can actually INCREASE the symptoms,or create them .

now i am not saying that there aren't people out there with this,if you stop breathing for 5 seconds or more repeatedly then you have a problem (quit smoking!) but if your test shows you stopped breathing 20 times a minute for 4 milliseconds that's just normal breathing transition from inhale to exhale,check yourself i bet that you stop breathing for 1-2 seconds WHEN YOUR AWAKE.
of course snoring stops you breathing for a millisecond or two,snoring is from an obstruction in the airway of loose or relaxed muscles in your sinus' and throat,again change positions or loose some weight....spring loaded band-aid.
AL in Baltimore

Essex, MD

#4 Apr 18, 2012
Yes, I realize now that doctors are making a lot of money from this Sleep Apnea thing. Medicare is taking a beating with everyone over 65 being diagnosed with having it.
I recently tried the CRAP device and each morning my eyes were very swollen, my sinuses were plugged up and was always tired attempting to stop the noise (it kept my wife awake also)from air leaking around my mask. I found a device on E-Bay that stopped my snoring since it fits in my mouth after making it fit me.
Lisacalisa

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Dec 12, 2012
wow scarecrow you are scary. You should really do some research before you decide things all on your own. Sleep apnea is a real problem that really exists. If you could watch the videos and exam the studies you would change your mind. I have OSA and I don't just snore I make a squeaking sound trying to breathe. I'm not fat and I have a skinny neck???

Also every person that has a sleep disorder either has or has had a vitamin D deficiency.

Now think about that. How long has the developed world been staying inside? How long has sleep apnea been around. Guess what, people who live in countries where they are still outside the majority of the time have a very low rate of sleep apnea and other diseases that we have in developed countries.

Did you know that most people with OSA sleep more than 8 to 10 hours and are still tired?

I really hate when people make up their minds about something without having any real knowledge on an issues.

OSA contributes to obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.

Sure glad your not a doctor.
Harry

Peoria, IL

#6 Mar 10, 2013
Lisacalisa wrote:
Sure glad your not a doctor.
But I bet you are or at least you profit from this greed scam!!!!
Norcom

Kirkland, WA

#8 Aug 7, 2013
Sleep Apnea study centers have become a booming business for Doctors and Device makers just like back in the day when the Dot.com was booming for IT professionals. Please do not get me wrong, I am not saying there are not people out there that genuinely do suffer from Apnea. Because there are, but in my opinion, I feel doctors need to be doing a much better job at identifying the root cause, instead of being so quick at referring their patients to sleep study labs. The sleep study laps are just overly too excited to get referrals. Go figure’s…Dollar signs. In my case, I strongly believe I do not have sleep Apnea. Yet that is what the Doctor at the Sleep Center diagnosed me after a sleepover at their center. I already know the reasons why I do not get much sleep, and always feeling tired. I go to bed very late around 11:-11:30pm and wake up every morning at 4:00am. In addition, I do have a very stressful job, which sometimes does contributes to my lack of sleep. I am not overweight so we can rule out weight. To me these are some of the key factors for my sleep-deprived issues. My doctor was well aware that I slept very little due to having to wake up early for work. Therefore, to this day I do not understand why I was sent (tagged)for a sleep study and prescribed a machine to use.

I tried using the machine, and on a few occasions, it woke me up grasping for air as I felt it was interfering with my breathing. The machine made no difference for me. The remedy for my sleep issues/tiredness is for me to go to bed early and work on my stress level. Unfortunately, the huge bill does not help contain my stress level it in fact increased my stress level. My insurance cover’s 80% of the sleep study the rest is out of my pocket. Sleep study’s may work well for others, but it did nothing for me, except hurt me financially.

My advices to anyone planning to take a sleep study test, is do your homework, ask many questions and Contact your insurance prior to undergoing the sleep study to find out how much insurance covers. Ask the sleep study lab ahead of time for the total cost of the sleepover test. They will try dancing around this question, but insist of getting them to give you a breakdown of cost upfront. It is your right to know how much it costs. That way with cost information, you obtained from your insurance. You know exactly how much your out of pocket cost is going to be. Therefore, you can budget accordingly instead of being caught off guard with a huge bill.
myself

Dresser, WI

#9 Aug 17, 2013
sleep apnea is caused by restricted blood flow to the brain.One of the biggest causes of this are upper neck adjustments by your chiropractor that dissect the 4 arteries in the upper neck causing them to 'hour-glass'the big problem here is that plak will build up on that hour glass and then break loose to hit the brain causing a stroke.
the doctor that invented sleep apnea and the machines has been found as a fraud in his own country but because of the money behind it the American medical association welcomes it....welcom to a capitalist country where even doctors can make money just by KEEPING you sick.
Roy

Muskogee, OK

#10 Jan 16, 2015
myself wrote:
sleep apnea is caused by restricted blood flow to the brain.One of the biggest causes of this are upper neck adjustments by your chiropractor that dissect the 4 arteries in the upper neck causing them to 'hour-glass'the big problem here is that plak will build up on that hour glass and then break loose to hit the brain causing a stroke.
the doctor that invented sleep apnea and the machines has been found as a fraud in his own country but because of the money behind it the American medical association welcomes it....welcom to a capitalist country where even doctors can make money just by KEEPING you sick.
Any info on apnea fraud I would like to have. I was put on a cpap device and sleepwalked out of a semi while my wife was driving about 60 mph. Cases that make sleep folks look bad get pulled. Some of my posts they say aren't true. If cpap worked for me I'd still be driving otr with my wife. I had a seizure 10/1/2012 after trying to sleep 8 hours on device. Suffered a concussion 3 fractured ribs fractured pelvic, crushed rt wrist and road rash. If you think its a lie the sleepwalking event happened near Cheyenne WY on 6/8/2012. Emergency room doctor said I had pallups in my sinuses and not to use cpap till retested. My test show I was doing worse. Sleep folks would not go against AMA. I'm out of work and have had many seizures since October 2012. Last was December 2014.
I found a case where infants were blinded because of effects of cpap and even deaths. Parents were not notified of know risk of study.
bdelorey

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Jun 11, 2015
So, you have sleep apnea or some other sleep disorder. Question why and correct the causes, not the symptoms.. Is it from stress? Obstruction? Overweight? Medicine side effects? Lack of proper nutrition? Allergies? Not enough vitamin D? Caffeine or alcohol abuse? Inflammation or pain? Some underlying medical condition such as cancer, diabetes, or GERD? Heart disease? CPAP addresses the symptoms, not the causes. Fix the cause, cure the problem.
Roy Ijams

Muskogee, OK

#12 Jun 30, 2015
bdelorey wrote:
So, you have sleep apnea or some other sleep disorder. Question why and correct the causes, not the symptoms.. Is it from stress? Obstruction? Overweight? Medicine side effects? Lack of proper nutrition? Allergies? Not enough vitamin D? Caffeine or alcohol abuse? Inflammation or pain? Some underlying medical condition such as cancer, diabetes, or GERD? Heart disease? CPAP addresses the symptoms, not the causes. Fix the cause, cure the problem.
Jun 7, 2013 By: Martha Garcia | Published: April 15th, 2013
Nearly two dozen universities failed to properly warn parents that a national oxygen study may put their premature infants at risk, federal officials say. According to a letter (PDF) issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) to the University of Alabama at Birmingham, the lead institution in the study, research institutions involved in the study did not offer informed consent to the parents of the premature infants. The study involved 1,300 premature infants between 24 to 27 weeks of gestation. Researchers evaluated the results of increased or decreased oxygen through a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) treatment to determine the levels of oxygen saturation and neurological effects on premature infants. According to the letter, the institutions involved were aware of the potential adverse affects the treatment may have on the infants, including blindness and even death. The DHHS Office of Human Research Protection says the institutions had sufficient evidence to know such treatment may cause serious consequences, but never properly informed parents participating in the study about the potential risks. The office considers the failing a violation of regulatory requirements for informed consent. The study took place between 2004 and 2009 and 130 infants of 654 in the low oxygen level group died, while 91 of 509 infants in the high oxygen group developed a serious eye problem, which can result in blindness. The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2010, was financed by the National Institutes of Health and involved 23 high profile Universities, such as Stanford, Duke and Yale. The consent form only mentioned risks involving abrasion of the infants skin, and claimed there was a potential benefit of decreased need for eye surgery if the infant was assigned to a certain oxygen level group. DHHS officials say the consent form should have highlighted that the risks of the trial were not the same as the risks of receiving standard care, so parents could make a more informed decision.

“Sleep walked out of semi/CPAP”

Since: Jun 15

Location hidden

#13 Jul 1, 2015
to H2O2 and has three isoforms widely distributed in mammalian organisms. (1) Cytoplasmic SOD (SOD1 or Cu zinc (CuZn) SOD) is located in the cytoplasm, nucleus, and peroxisomes, (2) mitochondrial SOD (SOD2 or MnSOD) is located in the mitochondrial matrix near the electron transport chain, and (3) extracellular SOD (SOD3 or EcSOD) is found in the extracellular fluids and extracellular matrix of all human tissues especially the heart, placenta, pancreas, and lung [62–64]. The protective effects of EcSOD in the lungs are extremely important and well-established [65–68]. Catalase, one of the most potent catalysts found mostly in the peroxisome, functions to decompose H2O2 to H2O. Catalase defense from oxidant injury to lung epithelial cells exists in the cytosol or the mitochondria. Glutathione reductase is an important antioxidant enzyme for maintaining the intracellular reducing environment. This enzyme catalyzes the reduction of glutathione disulfide (GSSG) to GSH [69]. Glutathione disulfide is produced through the oxidation of GSH by ROS that arise during conditions of oxidative stress. Due to the high concentrations of GSH, GSH/GSSG is considered to be the principal redox buffer of the cell and the ratio of GSH/GSSG is viewed as a major indicator of the cellular redox status.

“Sleep walked out of semi/CPAP”

Since: Jun 15

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#14 Jul 1, 2015
The ratio of GSH/GSSG decreases under an oxidative stress condition [70, 71]. Tissue damage may develop when an oxidant/antioxidant imbalance occurs as a consequence of hyperoxia [72, 73]. The damaging effects of hyperoxia can lead to O2 toxicity, cell death, and can be a triggering factor in ALI [22].5. Clinical Presentation of Hyperoxic Acute Lung InjuryAcute lung injury and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) are secondarily occurring, inflammatory syndromes caused by triggers or risk factors described as direct or indirect, pulmonary or extrapulmonary. The pathological changes associated with HALI mimic the ALI triggered by other conditions such as hemorrhagic shock, reperfusion injury, pneumonia, sepsis, or paraquat inhalation [23, 33, 74, 75]. The risk of developing ALI or ARDS after inhalation injury is dependent on the toxicity and concentration of the inhaled substance [17]. For example, the cells and structure of the alveolar capillary membrane are highly susceptible to damage by toxic levels of O2 [76]. Both ALI and ARDS are the same clinical disorder, differing only in severity of hypoxemia. The ratio between arterial pressure of O2 (PaO2) and the FIO2 concentration delivered by ventilator support distinguishes the two syndromes. For ALI, the PaO2/FIO2 is ≤300 mm  Hg and for ARDS, the PaO2/FIO2 is ≤200 mm  Hg [74, 75, 77]. The injury to the alveolus is thought to develop when pulmonary or systemic inflammation leads to systemic release of cytokines and other proinflammatory molecules. Mast cells, which express mediators that exert effects on lung vasculature, are also increased after hyperoxic exposure [78]. Cytokine release activates alveolar macrophages and recruits neutrophils to the lungs. Subsequent activation of leukotrienes, oxidants, platelet activating factor, and protease occurs.

“Sleep walked out of semi/CPAP”

Since: Jun 15

Location hidden

#15 Jul 1, 2015
These substances damage capillary endothelium and alveolar epithelium, disrupting the barriers between the capillaries and air spaces. Edema fluid, proteins, and cellular debris flood the air spaces and interstitium, causing disruption of surfactant, airspace collapse, ventilation-perfusion mismatch, shunting, and stiffening of the lungs with decreased compliance and pulmonary hypertension. There is no pattern to the injury; however, dependant lung areas are most frequently affected [74, 79]. Tissue examination reveals that surfactant disruption, epithelial injury, and sepsis initiate the increased expression of cytokines that sequester and activate inflammatory cells. Increased release of ROS alters normal endothelial function. Microarray analysis has revealed increased expression of genes related to oxidative stress, antiproteolytic function, and extracellular matrix repair as well as decreased surfactant proteins in ozone-induced ALI [80]. Diffuse alveolar damage results with intra-alveolar neutrophils indicating the presence of an inflammatory response in the alveoli. Red blood cells, cellular fragments, and eroded epithelial basement membranes are present with formation of hyaline membranes, indicating that serum proteins have entered and precipitated in the air spaces due to disruption of the alveolar capillary barrier. Formation of microthrombi indicates the presence of endothelial injury and activation of the coagulation cascade [81]. Acute lung injury syndrome presents within 24 to 48 hours after the direct or indirect trigger. Initially, the patient may experience dyspnea, cough, chest pain, tachypnea, tachycardia, accessory muscle use, cyanosis, mottled skin, and abnormal breath sounds (crackles, rhonchi, and wheezing). Blood gas analysis reveals progressive worsening of hypoxemia, leading to respiratory failure. Bilateral infiltrates are seen on a chest X-ray and are consistent with pulmonary edema but without the cardiac component of elevated left atrial pressure. Treatment includes mechanical ventilation, supportive care, and treatment of the underlying causes [16]. The mortality of ALI has improved over the past decade; however, it still ranges from 30% to 75%[75, 77, 82, 83] and occurs in about 86 of 100,000 individuals per year [84].6. ConclusionOxygen, often used to treat hypoxemia in the clinical setting, is itself a triggering factor in HALI given that the exposure is sufficiently concentrated and of adequate duration. The lung is a vulnerable target for oxidant-induced injury, initiating a cascade of protein signals that determine the cellular response. The alveolar epithelial and alveolar capillary endothelial surfaces are injured. Hyperpermeability, microthrombi (resulting from altered coagulation and fibrinolysis), collagen deposition, and fibrosis alter alveolar structure and function. Understanding precise mechanisms of injury and pulmonary cellular responses to hyperoxia is essential evidence for expert practice.AcknowledgmentThis project was sponsored by the TriService Nursing Research Program (TSNRP)(N08-012, HU0001-08-1-TS08). The information or content and conclusions do not necessarily represent the official position or policy of, nor should any official endorsement be inferred by, the TSNRP, the Department of Defense, or the US Government.References


V. Kim, J. O. Benditt, R. A. Wise, and A. Sharafkhaneh,“Oxygen therapy in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease,” Proceedings of the American Thoracic Society, vol. 5, no. 4, pp. 513–518, 2008. View at Publisher · View at Google Scholar · View at PubMed · View at Scopus

“Sleep walked out of semi/CPAP”

Since: Jun 15

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#16 Jul 1, 2015
By Sarah Rubenstein

bedMore news on the research-fabrication front. Robert Fogel, a former assistant professor at Harvard Medical School, fabricated and falsified data in a study of sleep apnea in severely obese patients, the Office of Research Integrity at HHS said.

The journal Sleep has retracted the 2003 study, titled “Anatomic and physiologic predictors of apnea severity in morbidly obese subjects.” The research-integrity office said Fogel’s changed or falsified nearly half of the sleep data “so that those data would better conform to his hypothesis.” He also fabricated about 20% of anatomic data that supposedly came from CT scans, the office said, based on information that Fogel volunteered.

Fogel, who worked at Brigham and Women’s Hospital at the time but later moved on to work at Merck, told a former supervisor in 2006 that he had falsified the data, the Scientist reports.

“What I did was obviously horrendously wrong,” Fogel told the Scientist, adding this was the only paper on which he’d done this.

“I moved numbers around to make the data look like there was something there,” he said.“I never really thought through the consequences, and once I did this I got myself into a loop that I found I couldn’t get out of.”

Fogel’s fabrications don’t appear as widespread as those of a Massachusetts doctor who allegedly faked data in 21 published studies. Harvard reviewed about 30 Fogel studies and found nothing else amiss, the Scientist said. A spokesman for Brigham and Women’s told the Harvard Crimson that the hospital supports the investigation’s findings.
king

Birmingham, AL

#17 Aug 11, 2015
Lisacalisa wrote:
wow scarecrow you are scary. You should really do some research before you decide things all on your own. Sleep apnea is a real problem that really exists. If you could watch the videos and exam the studies you would change your mind. I have OSA and I don't just snore I make a squeaking sound trying to breathe. I'm not fat and I have a skinny neck???
Also every person that has a sleep disorder either has or has had a vitamin D deficiency.
Now think about that. How long has the developed world been staying inside? How long has sleep apnea been around. Guess what, people who live in countries where they are still outside the majority of the time have a very low rate of sleep apnea and other diseases that we have in developed countries.
Did you know that most people with OSA sleep more than 8 to 10 hours and are still tired?
I really hate when people make up their minds about something without having any real knowledge on an issues.
OSA contributes to obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.
Sure glad your not a doctor.
Thank you, these people are clueless!
Khadijah

Johannesburg, South Africa

#18 Sep 19, 2015
All this is not entirely true, my daughter was diagnosed with congenital central hypo ventilation syndrome, in South Africa there is only 7 children with this condition, it's the rarest form of apnea central in nature, it's where the brain forgets to tell the lungs to breath, she sleeps over 12 hours a night and is still tired and miserable during the day, she is not on any medications at all, she is on a strict diet and is not overweight in fact rather underweight sitting at -2 percentile, she can't have stress she is a toddler, she doesn't drink or have caffeine, apnea is not only obstruction it can also be from your brain, my daughter is on the highest pap machine called bipap vpap titration St, all other 6 children in rsa have tracheostomy, my daughter is the only one on bipap as she is not as severe as the other 6 children, these kids usually die in infancy, usually as unknown sids before they diagnosed, these people can suffer sudden cardiac arrest, coma and brain damage, it affects the whole body and the little organs in these kids, these kids turn into cyanosis and sleeping can be life threatening to them, they are unaware if they stop breathing and cannot swim as they can hold their breath so long they don't even realise they doing it and they could die drowning. Alcohol can kill people will cchs and these people are warned not to drink as alcohol is a life threat to them, if they survive to adulthood, usually the will only prescribe the machine if u have moderate to severe apnea, if u have mild to moderate or mild they usually don't give machines, please go do research on all apnea not just osa
Fade95

Mount Airy, MD

#19 Feb 24, 2016
Well, all very interesting. I, too, was diagnosed with "severe" sleep apnea. I was issued an automated version of the CPAP via Medicare. As one who had considerable experience with breathing apparatus (read: continuous aviation oxygen systems), the CPAP mask was not an issue. Quite comfortable, in fact. However... however, although diagnosed via a 1.5 hour sleep study, the CPAP regimen has done absolutely nothing for me. Absolutely no physiological changes, up or down have occurred in over 5 months. My wife informs me that, although I sometimes lightly snore, I generally sleep like a baby... Maybe the CPAP is like chicken soup? My big issue was the rush to judgement with the very abbreviated sleep study. I also ask questions about the efficacy of the CPAP data, like artifacts in the data, but none can even begin to answer the question(s). Philips, the equipment manufacturer, is totally mute on the subject.
Panous

Port Elgin, Canada

#20 Oct 27, 2016
I've had my cpap for 5 weeks and am now totally stressed out, lost weight, lost appetite, lost quality of life and quality of sleep, have become a real dickhead and cannot get rid of a normal head cold plus throw in a constant headache.... I also found out that the cpap supplier is able to monitor my cpap from his office 24 hours a day and night and if I failed to use the machine, the doctor is advised and can contact the ministry of transportation and can order to have the driver license suspended.

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