Wisconsin lawmakers approve bill requ...

Wisconsin lawmakers approve bill requiring ultrasound before abortion

There are 174 comments on the Fox News story from Jun 14, 2013, titled Wisconsin lawmakers approve bill requiring ultrasound before abortion. In it, Fox News reports that:

The state Assembly has approved a Republican bill that would require women seeking an abortion to get an ultrasound of the fetus.

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Ocean56

AOL

#186 Jul 3, 2013
zef wrote:
Wrong. Abortion is an option. Contraception is an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
No, zeffy, YOU are wrong. Motherhood is ALSO an option, which any woman can reject by using either contraception or abortion to PREVENT that unwanted "state of being."

Again, NO woman has to become a mother unless she WANTS to be. Don't like it? Too bad. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#187 Jul 3, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, zeffy, YOU are wrong. Motherhood is ALSO an option, which any woman can reject by using either contraception or abortion to PREVENT that unwanted "state of being."
Again, NO woman has to become a mother unless she WANTS to be. Don't like it? Too bad. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision.
Come now, and I will tell you, and you, hearing, preserve the story,
the only routes of inquiry there are for thinking;
the one that it is and that it cannot not be
is the path of Persuasion (for it attends upon truth)
the other, that it is not and that it is right that it not be,
this I point out to you is a path wholly inscrutable
for you could not know what is not (for it is not to be accomplished)
nor could you point it out… For the same thing is for thinking and for being.

Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present.
The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self.
Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be.
The law of identity states that:“each thing is the same with itself and different from another”:“A is A and not ~A”. By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

A central proposition of existentialism is that existence precedes essence, which means that the most important consideration for the individual is the fact that he or she is an individual—an independently acting and responsible conscious being ("existence")—rather than what labels, roles, stereotypes, definitions, or other preconceived categories the individual fits ("essence"). The actual life of the individual is what constitutes what could be called his or her "true essence" instead of there being an arbitrarily attributed essence used by others to define him or her. Thus, human beings, through their own consciousness, create their own values and determine a meaning to their life. It is often claimed in this context that a person defines himself or herself, which is often perceived as stating that they can wish to be something—anything, a bird, for instance—and then be it. According to most existentialist philosophers, however, this would constitute an inauthentic existence. The notion of the Absurd contains the idea that there is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it. This meaninglessness also encompasses the amorality or "unfairness" of the world. Because of the world's absurdity, at any point in time, anything can happen to anyone, and a tragic event could plummet someone into direct confrontation with the Absurd.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#188 Jul 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
The fascists that terrorize me for choosing to wear safety glasses are the same fascists that use safety as an excuse to legalize killing babies with abortion. I don't know how any medication or professional psychiatric help can protect anyone from the brutality of the nihilistic tyrants that run this country.
There is no one terrorizing you for wearing safety glasses. No one. This is a delusion. A figment of your imagination. It's NOT happening. You are sick, insane, mentally ill, crazy as a bedbug. A professional can help you with your delusions.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#191 Jul 3, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no one terrorizing you for wearing safety glasses. No one. This is a delusion. A figment of your imagination. It's NOT happening. You are sick, insane, mentally ill, crazy as a bedbug. A professional can help you with your delusions.
They either are terrorizing me or they are not terrorizing me. Since they are stalking me, and harassing me, and threatening me, they are terrorizing me, and they must be terrorizing me for something. That something must be because I choose to wear safety glasses, for what else could it be, which seems strange since they use safety as an excuse to legalize killing babies with abortion.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#192 Jul 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
They either are terrorizing me or they are not terrorizing me. Since they are stalking me, and harassing me, and threatening me, they are terrorizing me, and they must be terrorizing me for something. That something must be because I choose to wear safety glasses, for what else could it be, which seems strange since they use safety as an excuse to legalize killing babies with abortion.
No one is terrorizing you. You are insane, and delusional. Get professional help.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#194 Jul 3, 2013
Incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if you are staring at the rubber wall flicking your lips in time with your lithium drip but I have to ask.......who is stalking, harassing and terrorizing you for wearing safety glasses?
Obviously the tyrants that think they own me, and that if they can see my eyes they can terrorize me for "staring at" whatever it is they imagine and I might be "staring at". So I wear eye protection, so they can't terrorize me for what they imagine I might be "staring at", so instead they terrorize me for wearing safety glasses, which seems strange since they use safety as an excuse to kill babies with abortion. They use their body belonging to them as excuse for being allowed to kill babies with abortion. If they are allowed to kill babies, because their body belongs to them, I be allowed to protect myself from their terrorist attacks because my body belong to me. If their body belongs to them, my body belong to me. Which means I should be allowed to wear safety glasses on my body to protect myself from their terrorist attacks, especially since they use safety as an excuse to legalize killing babies with abortion, and not be subjected to their terrorism for wearing safety glasses.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#195 Jul 3, 2013
Incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if you are staring at the rubber wall flicking your lips in time with your lithium drip but I have to ask.......who is stalking, harassing and terrorizing you for wearing safety glasses?
Aren't you glad you asked? LOL.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#198 Jul 3, 2013
Incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Omg,I shouldn't have asked. Someone needs to know whenever you are near an abortion provider as you sound like a high risk individual. No one cares if you choose to wear your safety glasses and superman cape but please do so where you won't make a disturbance.
Wearing safety glasses can't make a disturbance. The fascists are disturbed because by protecting my eyes they can't justify their terrorism with accusations me of "staring at" whatever it is in their infinite power they don't want me to see. What is disturbing is the fact that fascists get away with terrorizing me for wearing safety glasses, all the while using safety as an excuse to kill babies with abortion. Just like the fascists declare anyone that disagrees with their nihilism and tyranny a "high risk individual", as an excuse to thwart anyone that opposes their fascist regime of hatred and death.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#199 Jul 3, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Wearing safety glasses can't make a disturbance. The fascists are disturbed because by protecting my eyes they can't justify their terrorism with accusations me of "staring at" whatever it is in their infinite power they don't want me to see. What is disturbing is the fact that fascists get away with terrorizing me for wearing safety glasses, all the while using safety as an excuse to kill babies with abortion. Just like the fascists declare anyone that disagrees with their nihilism and tyranny a "high risk individual", as an excuse to thwart anyone that opposes their fascist regime of hatred and death.
It's all in your imagination. You are delusional, insane. Get psychiatric help.
Ocean56

AOL

#201 Jul 4, 2013
zef wrote:
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Again, motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required. That means any woman can REJECT motherhood for any reason. She can reject motherhood by doing several things:

1. Using contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy
2. Using abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy
3. Getting a tubal ligation to prevent future unwanted pregnancies.

All three of these preventive actions make it possible for a woman to opt OUT of motherhood. What pisses off the anti-choice male politicians is that women CAN choose NOT to be mothers, as long as they have access to contraception and abortion. So they've made it has hard as possible in Ohio, North Carolina, Texas and other states for a women to GET access to those preventive measures.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#202 Jul 4, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required. That means any woman can REJECT motherhood for any reason. She can reject motherhood by doing several things:
1. Using contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy
2. Using abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy
3. Getting a tubal ligation to prevent future unwanted pregnancies.
All three of these preventive actions make it possible for a woman to opt OUT of motherhood. What pisses off the anti-choice male politicians is that women CAN choose NOT to be mothers, as long as they have access to contraception and abortion. So they've made it has hard as possible in Ohio, North Carolina, Texas and other states for a women to GET access to those preventive measures.
Come now, and I will tell you, and you, hearing, preserve the story,
the only routes of inquiry there are for thinking;
the one that it is and that it cannot not be
is the path of Persuasion (for it attends upon truth)
the other, that it is not and that it is right that it not be,
this I point out to you is a path wholly inscrutable
for you could not know what is not (for it is not to be accomplished)
nor could you point it out… For the same thing is for thinking and for being.

Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present.
The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self.
Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be.
The law of identity states that:“each thing is the same with itself and different from another”:“A is A and not ~A”. By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

Motherhood is a state of being, not an option. Any woman either is a mother, or is not a mother. It is impossible for anyone to reject what they are. Contraception is an option. Abortion is an option. Tubal ligation is an option. Motherhood is not an option.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#203 Jul 4, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Come now, and I will tell you, and you, hearing, preserve the story,
the only routes of inquiry there are for thinking;
the one that it is and that it cannot not be
is the path of Persuasion (for it attends upon truth)
the other, that it is not and that it is right that it not be,
this I point out to you is a path wholly inscrutable
for you could not know what is not (for it is not to be accomplished)
nor could you point it out… For the same thing is for thinking and for being.
Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present.
The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self.
Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be.
The law of identity states that:“each thing is the same with itself and different from another”:“A is A and not ~A”. By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.
Motherhood is a state of being, not an option. Any woman either is a mother, or is not a mother. It is impossible for anyone to reject what they are. Contraception is an option. Abortion is an option. Tubal ligation is an option. Motherhood is not an option.
Take those safety glasses off and SHUTUP!! NOW!!
Ocean56

AOL

#204 Jul 4, 2013
zef wrote:
Motherhood is a state of being, not an option. Any woman either is a mother, or is not a mother. It is impossible for anyone to reject what they are. Contraception is an option. Abortion is an option. Tubal ligation is an option. Motherhood is not an option.
Motherhood IS an option, which any woman can reject for any reason. It is only a "state of being" when a woman who WANTS to become a mother is pregnant.

Many women DON'T want to be mothers, zeffy. Deal with it, since their reproductive decisions are NOT up to you.
Ocean56

AOL

#205 Jul 4, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
Take those safety glasses off and SHUTUP!! NOW!!
Hi Morgana! I think zeffy is beyond help, judging from the obvious craziness of his (or her, it's hard to tell) ridiculous posts.

But I'll go on pointing out that motherhood IS an option, because many anti-choicers seem to have the same delusion as zeffy that it isn't.

Have a great Fourth!:-)
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#207 Jul 4, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Motherhood IS an option, which any woman can reject for any reason. It is only a "state of being" when a woman who WANTS to become a mother is pregnant.
Many women DON'T want to be mothers, zeffy. Deal with it, since their reproductive decisions are NOT up to you.
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present. The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self. Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be. The law of identity states that:“each thing is the same with itself and different from another”:“A is A and not ~A”. By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

A central proposition of existentialism is that existence precedes essence, which means that the most important consideration for the individual is the fact that he or she is an individual—an independently acting and responsible conscious being ("existence")—rather than what labels, roles, stereotypes, definitions, or other preconceived categories the individual fits ("essence"). The actual life of the individual is what constitutes what could be called his or her "true essence" instead of there being an arbitrarily attributed essence used by others to define him or her. Thus, human beings, through their own consciousness, create their own values and determine a meaning to their life. It is often claimed in this context that a person defines himself or herself, which is often perceived as stating that they can wish to be something—anything, a bird, for instance—and then be it. According to most existentialist philosophers, however, this would constitute an inauthentic existence. The notion of the Absurd contains the idea that there is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it. This meaninglessness also encompasses the amorality or "unfairness" of the world. Because of the world's absurdity, at any point in time, anything can happen to anyone, and a tragic event could plummet someone into direct confrontation with the Absurd.
Ocean56

AOL

#208 Jul 4, 2013
zef wrote:
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Motherhood IS an option, which a woman can reject for any reason. Your not liking the fact that it's an option is irrelevant, especially to any woman who DOESN'T want pregnancy or children.

Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#209 Jul 4, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Motherhood IS an option, which a woman can reject for any reason. Your not liking the fact that it's an option is irrelevant, especially to any woman who DOESN'T want pregnancy or children.
Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision.
No state of being is an option. Motherhood is a state of being, not an option. What you want, or don't want has nothing to do with what you are.

Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present. The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self. Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be. The law of identity states that: "each thing is the same with itself and different from another": "A is A and not ~A". By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

A central proposition of existentialism is that existence precedes essence, which means that the most important consideration for the individual is the fact that he or she is an individual—an independently acting and responsible conscious being ("existence")—rather than what labels, roles, stereotypes, definitions, or other preconceived categories the individual fits ("essence"). The actual life of the individual is what constitutes what could be called his or her "true essence" instead of there being an arbitrarily attributed essence used by others to define him or her. Thus, human beings, through their own consciousness, create their own values and determine a meaning to their life. It is often claimed in this context that a person defines himself or herself, which is often perceived as stating that they can wish to be something—anything, a bird, for instance—and then be it. According to most existentialist philosophers, however, this would constitute an inauthentic existence. The notion of the Absurd contains the idea that there is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it. This meaninglessness also encompasses the amorality or "unfairness" of the world. Because of the world's absurdity, at any point in time, anything can happen to anyone, and a tragic event could plummet someone into direct confrontation with the Absurd.
Ocean56

AOL

#210 Jul 4, 2013
zef wrote:
No state of being is an option. Motherhood is a state of being, not an option.
Wrong again. Motherhood IS an option, which any woman can reject, for any reason. It's only a "state of being" for a woman who WANTS to be a mother.

Don't like it? Too bad. If a woman wants to opt OUT of motherhood, there's nothing you can do about it.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#211 Jul 4, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. Motherhood IS an option, which any woman can reject, for any reason. It's only a "state of being" for a woman who WANTS to be a mother.
Don't like it? Too bad. If a woman wants to opt OUT of motherhood, there's nothing you can do about it.
State of being is not what one wants. State of being is what one is. One either is a mother, or is not a mother, which means motherhood is a state of being.

Come now, and I will tell you, and you, hearing, preserve the story,
the only routes of inquiry there are for thinking;
the one that it is and that it cannot not be
is the path of Persuasion (for it attends upon truth)
the other, that it is not and that it is right that it not be,
this I point out to you is a path wholly inscrutable
for you could not know what is not (for it is not to be accomplished)
nor could you point it out… For the same thing is for thinking and for being.
Ocean56

AOL

#212 Jul 5, 2013
zef wrote:
State of being is not what one wants. State of being is what one is. One either is a mother, or is not a mother, which means motherhood is a state of being.
No, zeffy, motherhood is still an OPTION, which any woman can reject for any reason. The "state of being" only applies to a woman who WANTS to be a mother.

Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision. Simple.

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