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There are 42 comments on the Natural Holistic Health Blog story from Mar 28, 2010, titled Mucus-Clear for Phlegm, Mucus & Throat Congestion. In it, Natural Holistic Health Blog reports that:

Homeopathic remedy reduces phlegm , thick mucus and throat clearing Mucus-Clear is a safe, non-addictive, FDA-registered natural remedy containing 100% homeopathic ingredients selected to reduce phlegm and relieve throat clearing due to thick mucus.

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Mark

Conder, Australia

#2 Mar 28, 2010
In plain english the ingredients sound less impressive:

Kali mur = Potassium chloride (table salt)
Kali sulph = Potassium sulfate (potash)
Kali bich = Potassium dichromate (a common inorganic chemical reagent, most commonly used as an oxidizing agent in various laboratory and industrial applications. As with all hexavalent chromium compounds, it is potentially harmful to health and must be handled and disposed of appropriately. It is a crystalline ionic solid with a very bright, red-orange color)
Citricidal = Grapefruit seed extract
Mark

Australia

#3 Mar 28, 2010
Correction:

Kali mur = Potassium chloride (sodium free table salt)

“Creating a Wave of Awareness ”

Since: Mar 09

NY

#4 Apr 1, 2010
I wonder how one distinguishes what is "impressive" or not impressive. This is totally a judgment call of a simple name.

Homeopaths use the designated Latin terms as common names, just as we call calendula the remedy for skin healing, which derives from the marigold plant.[European marigold was calendula which derives from the Latin word calendae]

Using a particular nomenclature is not "impressive" unless someone personally feels easily 'impressed". So, that's pretty cool that you are impressed by the homeopathic names of remedies. I will keep that in mind.
Mark

Australia

#5 Apr 1, 2010
Debby Bruck wrote:
I wonder how one distinguishes what is "impressive" or not impressive. This is totally a judgment call of a simple name.
Homeopaths use the designated Latin terms as common names, just as we call calendula the remedy for skin healing, which derives from the marigold plant.[European marigold was calendula which derives from the Latin word calendae]
Using a particular nomenclature is not "impressive" unless someone personally feels easily 'impressed". So, that's pretty cool that you are impressed by the homeopathic names of remedies. I will keep that in mind.
So is homeopathy the latin term for 'water'?

“Creating a Wave of Awareness ”

Since: Mar 09

NY

#6 Apr 3, 2010
Can there be life without water?
Mark

Australia

#7 Apr 3, 2010
Debby Bruck wrote:
Can there be life without water?
This comment is irrelevant as to whether homeopathy is

a) Anything more than water

b) Water can cure anything other than dehydration

You have a faith based belief system called homeopathy. Like all faith based systems it bares little resemblance to reality.

I wouldn't let an unqualified person work on my car, why would I let them advise me on my health care?
ikz

Hong Kong, Hong Kong

#8 Apr 5, 2010
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
This comment is irrelevant as to whether homeopathy is
a) Anything more than water
b) Water can cure anything other than dehydration
You have a faith based belief system called homeopathy. Like all faith based systems it bares little resemblance to reality.
I wouldn't let an unqualified person work on my car, why would I let them advise me on my health care?
There is an article by one Dr. Mark Kestner "Some allergy specialists foregoing needle for drops". He has some different ideas about your term "Water"

Check this out.

If he is a homeopath you can throw him in a bin, if not?
Mark

Australia

#9 Apr 5, 2010
ikz wrote:
<quoted text>
There is an article by one Dr. Mark Kestner "Some allergy specialists foregoing needle for drops". He has some different ideas about your term "Water"
Check this out.
If he is a homeopath you can throw him in a bin, if not?
He is a chiropractor & acupuncturist - both of which are as nonsensical as homeopathy. These are all classed as "alt med" - the alternative to medicine = death.

It should be noted that the core philosophies behind chiropractic, homeopathy & acupuncture all claim to be the only method of healing illness yet they all do different things. It is very much like 3 different religions.

“Creating a Wave of Awareness ”

Since: Mar 09

NY

#10 Apr 6, 2010
Can there be life without water?
Mark

Australia

#11 Apr 6, 2010
Debby Bruck wrote:
Can there be life without water?
Possibly, we have yet to find life on other planets. If we do it is possible that it doesn't require water.

Your question is irrelevant as to whether homeopathy is

a) Anything more than water

b) Water can cure anything other than dehydration

You have a faith based belief system called homeopathy. Like all faith based systems it bares little resemblance to reality.

I wouldn't let an unqualified person work on my car, why would I let them advise me on my health care?

“Creating a Wave of Awareness ”

Since: Mar 09

NY

#12 Apr 8, 2010
I believe humans live on planet earth where water is a requirement for survival.
Mark

Conder, Australia

#13 Apr 8, 2010
Debby Bruck wrote:
I believe humans live on planet earth where water is a requirement for survival.
So do I, but that doesn't make it a medical cure-all.

“Creating a Wave of Awareness ”

Since: Mar 09

NY

#14 Apr 16, 2010
I believe water is a healthful life saving part of nature. It rejuvenates the body and the soul.
Mark

Australia

#15 Apr 16, 2010
Debby Bruck wrote:
I believe water is a healthful life saving part of nature. It rejuvenates the body and the soul.
Please provide evidence of the "soul".
Dr Mark Kestner

Murfreesboro, TN

#16 Sep 19, 2010
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
He is a chiropractor & acupuncturist - both of which are as nonsensical as homeopathy. These are all classed as "alt med" - the alternative to medicine = death.
It should be noted that the core philosophies behind chiropractic, homeopathy & acupuncture all claim to be the only method of healing illness yet they all do different things. It is very much like 3 different religions.
Mark,

I wrote the article you refer to. I used to be as skeptical as you, until I discovered that sometimes, being skeptical is the same as being a slow learner.

It is easy to be skeptical about things that one has limited knowledge about. As human beings, we all like to feel a little bit superior to those that do not see things the same way we do.

Yes, acupuncture works, but not necessarily for the reasons it has long been thought to work. TCM is based on ancient traditions that were "pre-scientific" and so do not seem feasible with today's understanding. Clinical and medical acupuncture fields are examining acupuncture from modern perspectives and research is ongoing. Not all that use acupuncture do so from an ancient TCM perspective.

Likewise chiropractic has its detractors and that is understandable. I have encountered chiropractors that have beliefs and claims that are beyond reason. Every field has its eccentrics. Yet, for more than two decades I have used these two modalities to resolve painful conditions that persisted for patients in spite of multiple efforts to find relief through standard medical care. Would you prefer that these patients have no options other than whatever treatment you would approve?

I have also witnessed homeopathic treatments be extremely helpful for patients that have failed to respond to costly and sometimes invasive medical procedures.

I stumbled upon your comments accidentally and will not have time to engage in any further debate. Feel free to reply however you wish. I realized long ago that there will always be skeptics of everything.

These comments are made with all due respect, because I do understand why you and others resist the notion that treatments such as acupuncture, chiropractic and homeopathy may be effective. I can't convince you. I just know that the thousands of patients that I have treated over the years are glad that people like me spend a great deal of effort learning how to effectively help them find solutions that are not available from their PCP.

All the best

Dr Mark Kestner
mkestner@drkestner.com
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#17 Sep 19, 2010
@Dr Mark Kestner, as you should know anecdotes are not evidence for efficacy.

If any of these modalities offered anything more than placebo then the 100s of trials that have been carried out would show this. As it is, aside from a few trials which show very slight positive effects (usually too small to be statistically significant) the majority of trials show no benefits beyond plaebo (ie fake treatment).

I will change my views based on the evidence - not ancedotes or personal opinion. If it is proved homeopathy does what is claimed I will jump on the bandwagon. Sure I will be embarassed but that is life.

Unfortunately the "true believers" in unproven modalities are not so willing to admit they are wrong, usually as they have committed a lot of time and money studing nonsense and are unwilling to admit their mistake.

BTW what are your views on the increased risk of Vertebrobasilar stroke after chiropractic neck manipulation?
nailer62

Stanton, KY

#18 Jan 9, 2011
"I will change my views based on the evidence - not ancedotes or personal opinion. If it is proved homeopathy does what is claimed I will jump on the bandwagon."
Nobody,or words on paper or computer screen,documentation of any kind,will ever be able to prove to you that homeopathy does what it is claimed.
The reason for this is your attitude that it is simply not possible.
I also was very skeptical just as you (and others) are.
I also wanted proof before I wasted my money on "sugar pills".
I also find that it makes all the sense in the world that if there are no molecules left of the substance that is supposed to cure,it can't possibly cure.
I also found it real hard to swallow all this talk about "memory" etc. that still remains after all the molecules are long gone.
I also don't believe in the mysterical medicine man with spells and magic and all that mother goose book stuff,which technivally speaking is what homeopathy sure does appear to be.
I have read a lot of your posts and I can say this.
I can't say you are wrong with all your math equations,all your common sense equations,all you explanations that you provide that support why homeopathy can't possibly work,etc. etc.
I will even go one step further and say that basically everything that I have read that you have said regarding the scientific evidence is actually correct and I agree with you.
OK.Fair enough?
Will that prevent a long drawn out argument?
Will that prevent all the finger pointing at "stupid people who believe this crap"?
You wanted proof,I can't give it to you.
Nobody can.
You have to prove it to yourself.
Through process of elimination,you can prove it to yourself.
Now....I will tell you how homeopathy HAS helped me,and I want you to explain or try to explain to me how in the world it could of possibly worked?
I really want to know because I can't explain it myself.
I still don't believe in magic,but there is something going on here that I just have no explanation for.
I am only interested in you giving some type of FACTS,or what you may even believe could possibly be fact(aka your opinion),that when no other type of medicine was given other than homeopathic,the cure was accomplished.
You can of course refuse to believe what I am about to tell you as the truth.
In that case,I,and you,will get nowhere.
For the benefit of the doubt,at least consider to believe what I tell you is the truth.
Then make your speculation.

Since: Jan 11

Stanton, KY

#19 Jan 9, 2011
Nasal polyps:
Nasal polyps will not receed on their own.
They will not mysterically disappear on their own.
Ask the millions of people that have them and are tortured by them if they "just go away by themselves".
The supposed homeopathic cure=teucrium marum verum.
The alternative cure: steroids or surgery.
As much as I was skeptic on this homeopathic "remedy",I went ahead and took a chance on teucrium marum verum.
The dosage I took of teucrium marum verum was of 200C.
As you know,there is no possible way at all that there was a molecule left of the substance teucrium marum verum.
Within 3 days of taking this...the polyps are gone.
Why did this happen?
What caused it to happen?
Did somebody screw up and give me the wrong stuff and there really is a molecule or two floating around in there of teucrium marum verum?
Did somebody,illegally of course,put steroids in the sugar pill just to promote homeopathy?
Is this just the result of a placebo effect and since I believed the sugar pills....(and I do agree they are sugar pills with no molecules of the original substance left)....would work,they did?
I don't know WHAT happened,or WHY it happened,or HOW it could of possibly happened.
I can't prove...to you...that it did happen after taking the teucrium marum verum,because you were not here to see the polyps go away.
You were not here to see me take this particular medication.
But it did happen and that is all the proof I need for myself.
Whether you want to believe or not,
I do know and I have proved it to myself that it DID happen.
I don't have the answers for you,or the scientific proof you would like to have.
I don't even have the answers or the scientific proof I would like to have.
One thing that I do have is NO POLYPS.
That is the one and only thing I CAN prove to you.
If you are really interested in proof as you say you are,and you really do want this proof for yourself,the only way you are ever going to have that proof is to try a homeopathic remedy on yourself and watch it work.
I can see you are not going to believe anything less than that and nobody or some medical article is going to convince you otherwise.
You probally will never find the scientific proof you are looking for that it does work,because there may never be scientific proof that is found.
That still does not mean it doesn't work.
That just means nobody..not even you...can explain why it does work.
So instead,still wanting solid provable answers,you try to explain scientifically why is does not.
That is a one sided coin of pure speculation that only takes you to all dead ends with no answers.
That is not a scientific debate,that is only an opinion...your opinion... based on the only scientific data availble to you.
When...or if...it works,you will be just like the many people who have used homeopathy and it did work.
You will then have a terrible time,if not an impossible time,trying to explain to somebody else..like you are right now...why it did work.
USE A TRUSTED SOURCE FOR THE MEDICATION.
As you know already about the "no molecules left" principal there is no way to prove that someone even used the primary substance that is supposed to have the curative effects.
If there is a "voodoo magic"...if there is a "retained memory"...at least choose a company that you can try to convince yourself of that really did start out with theoretical curative substance.
Forget about that no molecule left so it can't work theory.
What about the low potency dosages where there ARE molecules left?
Maybe it isn't the molecules that are at play here.
I don't know.....and neither do you.
Mark

Conder, Australia

#20 Jan 9, 2011
There have been recorded cases of spontaneous regression of nasal polyps:

http://docs.google.com/viewer...
C Redd

Morristown, NJ

#21 Jan 9, 2011
Here are a couple of examples of testing proving that a homeopathic remedy does contain a substance and what that substance actually is.

In 1948 Wormser and Loch tested several substances from 24X to 30X. They used a photo-electric cell to measure the intensity and wave length of these potencies and found measurable changes of both intensity and wave length in these substances.

In the years 1951-3 Gay and Boiron tested both distilled water and Natrum muriaticum in the 27C potency for their dielectric constant (far beyond Avogardo). They were able to show that the potency of Nat. mur. could be easily selected from among 99 control bottles.

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