NJ couple sues Christie over gay 'the...

NJ couple sues Christie over gay 'therapy' ban

There are 115 comments on the The Wichita Eagle story from Nov 4, 2013, titled NJ couple sues Christie over gay 'therapy' ban. In it, The Wichita Eagle reports that:

The couple, who isn't identified in the court papers filed Friday, claims the law violates their rights to free speech and free exercise of religion because it prevents them from seeking treatment for their 15-year-old son.

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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#47 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Brainwashing is brainwashing. Apparently, if it favors homosexuality it's good. If it doesn't, it's bad. Got it.
Really, did I say that? I don't believe I did.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#48 Nov 6, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Brainwashing?
Is that what you call information these days?
Yes, that's what the right wing calls science.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#49 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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True, but what they were doing isn't telling the truth.
They were teaching little kids to go against their parents and their church, if they belonged to one. The whole thing was wrong on so many levels. Not to mention parents that were more than indifferent toward homosexuality. Can you imagine how a pissed off parent might react to a book like that in the comfort of their own home? Can you say counterproductive?
How did they tell the kids to go against their church? All they did was present a story that the children might very well have encountered themselves.

Do you know why we tell stories? To help us understand others and to help us deal when unfamiliar situations emerge. The parents could use some of that.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#50 Nov 6, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Why was it a difficult role for her, specifically? Did she say that in an interview, or did she experience it in her real life?
No it was just my personal opinion. I've seen her in many roles and she impressed me with this.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#52 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Some public schools try that brainwashing technique as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0vFw9srakt8XX
In this case the parents cared enough about their kids to take them out of the school.
posting an ad run by the people in Maine who LOST a democratic vote on the issue as a way to spin it as a victory?

clever?

(giggles)
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#53 Nov 6, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Really, did I say that? I don't believe I did.
You don't have to.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#54 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
Do you know why we tell stories? To help us understand others and to help us deal when unfamiliar situations emerge.
In this case it was to take young minds, the younger the better, and brainwash them into believing that homosexuality is just as normal as being straight. It isn't and we both know that.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#55 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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1. How did they tell the kids to go against their church?
2. All they did was present a story that the children might very well have encountered themselves.
1. Their church says gay marriage is wrong.
2. Not in any straight household I know of. It isn't the same anyway. This gay literature thing was a targeted effort to sway young minds. They did it without informing parents and without allowing an opt out. Gay Judge Walker said that allowing an opt out would cause an exodus from classes on those days and that would send the wrong message to gay kids and kids with gay guardians. Solution, don't teach about gay relationships and no one will want to opt out.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#56 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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In this case it was to take young minds, the younger the better, and brainwash them into believing that homosexuality is just as normal as being straight. It isn't and we both know that.
Funny that the medical experts disagree with you, ain't it? Next time your doctor gives you antibiotics, you better not take them.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#57 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Their church says gay marriage is wrong.
2. Not in any straight household I know of. It isn't the same anyway. This gay literature thing was a targeted effort to sway young minds. They did it without informing parents and without allowing an opt out. Gay Judge Walker said that allowing an opt out would cause an exodus from classes on those days and that would send the wrong message to gay kids and kids with gay guardians. Solution, don't teach about gay relationships and no one will want to opt out.
You have a gay judge Walker in Massachusetts, do ya?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#58 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Their church says gay marriage is wrong.
...and you think public schools should care about a backward church?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#59 Nov 6, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Funny that the medical experts disagree with you.
No they don't. They just say it's not a mental health issue, I agree.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#60 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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In this case it was to take young minds, the younger the better, and brainwash them into believing that homosexuality is just as normal as being straight. It isn't and we both know that.
Homosexuality is perfectly normal if you happen to be a homosexual.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#61 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
They were teaching little kids to go against their parents and their church, if they belonged to one.
Wondering, are you still citing the Parkers, who challenged Massachusetts in a federal court, lost, and were given leave to refile in Massachusetts challenging the law, which they never did? Why do you perpetually cite cases where those holding the same views that you do lost? The Parkers, foolishly, cited a portion of the Massachusetts code that specifically addressed sex education, which had no relevance to the material to which they objected. Why don't you drag yourself away from the Massresistance website, and drag your knuckles into the 21st century?

Secondly, do you mean to imply that anyone who attends ANY church believes homosexuality is wrong? Because I know many Christians, some of them Catholic, who would disagree with your spurious assertion.

The reality is that regardless of your opinion about homosexuality, conversion therapy is a fraud. It is not recognized by any reputable medical, scientific, or academic institution, and has largely been pilloried in those circles. In fact, a leading proponent of conversion therapy recanted, and publicly apologized to those who had partaken of their services earlier this year. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-...

Since: Aug 11

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#62 Nov 6, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>They would have to open their eyes first. They would have to admit they are bigots and fools and repent their sinful way before they'd ever consider PFLAG.
I don't see that happening any time soon.'True Believers' like them rarely change until disaster strikes and they see the damage they've done.
Many never do.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#63 Nov 6, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Homosexuality is perfectly normal if you happen to be a homosexual.
I bet it is.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#64 Nov 6, 2013
lides wrote:
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Wondering,
I allow stupid people to respond to me but you don't meet minimum requirements.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#65 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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True, but what they were doing isn't telling the truth.
They were teaching little kids to go against their parents and their church, if they belonged to one. The whole thing was wrong on so many levels. Not to mention parents that were more than indifferent toward homosexuality. Can you imagine how a pissed off parent might react to a book like that in the comfort of their own home? Can you say counterproductive?
Can you name even one thing being taught in school which was untruthful?

Just because some parents and/or churches don't believe same-sex couples should be able to marry doesn't mean teaching the fact that same-sex couples can marry is being untruthful.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#66 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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In this case it was to take young minds, the younger the better, and brainwash them into believing that homosexuality is just as normal as being straight. It isn't and we both know that.
If being gay is abnormal, then so is being straight.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#67 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Their church says gay marriage is wrong.
2. Not in any straight household I know of. It isn't the same anyway. This gay literature thing was a targeted effort to sway young minds. They did it without informing parents and without allowing an opt out. Gay Judge Walker said that allowing an opt out would cause an exodus from classes on those days and that would send the wrong message to gay kids and kids with gay guardians. Solution, don't teach about gay relationships and no one will want to opt out.
Schools are there to teach kids.

If you don't like what they teach, then don't send your kids to that school.

The choice is entirely up to the parents.

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