Sanofi eyes move to Upper Saucon

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Sanofi Pasteur, the pharmaceutical company that supplies 40 percent of the flu vaccines used in the United States, is considering moving a few hundred jobs to the Lehigh Valley from its manufacturing and ...

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“Living in downtown”

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#61
Dec 11, 2008
 
I applied for many jobs at Olympus and was called back for a number of interviews. Unfortunately, the salaries were lower than the salaries in NJ, so I still commute to NJ. Too bad. This also happened to me with B. Braun, so I think these companies might also be "low-balling" their new Lehigh Valley recruits.
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impossible to know, but wouldn't it be interesting to find out how many lehigh valley residents olympus actually did hire.

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#62
Dec 11, 2008
 
Sally wrote:
"On the surface, I agree with you. But the unfortunate reality is that other states have nice locations too and will be offering incentives to attract these jobs away from PA."
Frank,
Please name another state that will offer such a package. If you can, it is 500+ miles away. I'm betting they will not take advantage of any of those because their intent is to stay local to their plant in Monroe County.
Let them build in Downtown Allentown. That would be great for our city. No incentives are needed in Saucon Valley.
I can name 49 other states that would make a similar offer. New Jersey and New York are both close enough to the Monroe campus to be considered threats. The only thing we have that they don't is a lower cost of living.
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#63
Dec 11, 2008
 
Finally someone with half a brain! Well said!
Think before you talk wrote:
It's hard to believe the number of people in this thread that are oblivious to the big picture. Here are some facts to think about.
1) Corporations coming into the area require supporting businesses. Every office building will soon bring - a coffee shop, a few deli's, a few stores, gas stations. Some of these are in place, but more are sure to follow.
2) Corporations don't burden the school districts, houses do. Why should any company fund the education of the public through taxes? They don't send anyone to school.
3) People will relocate closer to the job. The "high wage" jobs that are prevalent in this business will be coming to the area, buying houses, utilizing more local businesses, and paying school taxes.
These are just the top 3 reasons to give tax incentives to corporations. Had this been a condo complex or apartments it would be a different story.
Where does this sense of entitlement that "other people HAVE to pay for the taxpayers immenities?"
Don't you people realize that you would get more bang for your buck if you spent your energy controlling where the government spends the money, rather than crying over where they get it from. As with any budget, where the money goes is more important than where it comes from.
Let's see what genius wants to try to tell me I'm wrong.
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#64
Dec 11, 2008
 
Enough is enough wrote:
That's right - bring 'em in. Upper Saucon will fill their pockets once again on the sly while causing hardships to the community. Tax breaks given again to the rich. Jobs are already filled by their own people so no jobs will be available. Then roads will deteriorate under the stress of additional vehicles, traffic jams will increase and just make the area a bigger mess than it already is.
Tax breaks for the wealthy while filling Upper Saucon officials pockets. Kidding? Not on your life.
Taxes for incoming companies should INCREASE thereby taking the burden off middle income and seniors which are prevalent in the area.
Give ME a tax break. What a joke. Thanks Stabler bigwigs. Thanks a LOT. YOU don't live here. We do.
Do you have any idea how many people from the Allentown area work for that company? Its a lot and if the company decides to move further away, those people will lose their jobs. And the Allentown area will lose all of the personal income tax revenue those people pay. Stop and think for a minute before you critisize a company just because you are not smart enough to work their.
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Dec 11, 2008
 
Think before you talk wrote:
It's hard to believe the number of people in this thread that are oblivious to the big picture. Here are some facts to think about.
1) Corporations coming into the area require supporting businesses. Every office building will soon bring - a coffee shop, a few deli's, a few stores, gas stations. Some of these are in place, but more are sure to follow.
2) Corporations don't burden the school districts, houses do. Why should any company fund the education of the public through taxes? They don't send anyone to school.
3) People will relocate closer to the job. The "high wage" jobs that are prevalent in this business will be coming to the area, buying houses, utilizing more local businesses, and paying school taxes.
These are just the top 3 reasons to give tax incentives to corporations. Had this been a condo complex or apartments it would be a different story.
Where does this sense of entitlement that "other people HAVE to pay for the taxpayers immenities?"
Don't you people realize that you would get more bang for your buck if you spent your energy controlling where the government spends the money, rather than crying over where they get it from. As with any budget, where the money goes is more important than where it comes from.
Let's see what genius wants to try to tell me I'm wrong.
You made some excellent points. The people who are complaining are complaining because they don't qualify for any of the jobs at this company. I also find it amusing that these low income morons complain so much about taxes when their crumy houses have low assessments and their dumb dumb jobs put them in the lowest tax brackets.
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#66
Dec 11, 2008
 
The Scotsman wrote:
Ah yes, bring in another company and give them tax breaks so that the Upper Saucon Residents get the burden of paying Sanofi's fair share of taxes....just like Olympus.
Don't you get it? Many people in Upper Saucon already work for this company and already pay real estate taxes and income taxes to the jurisdictions in this area. If the company moves to somewhere like New Jersey then those people will lose their jobs or leave the area to go where their job goes, then the area loses the tax revenue once payed by those people.
I think the biggest critics of the KOZs are the ones who aren't smart enough to work for one of these world class companies.

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#67
Dec 11, 2008
 
Big deal, they're going to move a few hundred sales and marketing positions. Wow, really something to get excited about.

Their manufacturing operations will remain at their main campus. If they were moving their manufacturing then that would be something to get excited about. However, that would cost millions and isn't practical.

Therefore, I wouldn't get all worked up about nothing.
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#68
Dec 11, 2008
 
All of these high paid big wig city slickers coming to our area isn't a good thing. All of the money they save on taxes they will be spending on drugs and prostitues. This isn't a good example to set for our children.
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#69
Dec 11, 2008
 
I work for a much, much better Fortune 500 company here in the valley who doesn't need to play these games with KOZ and other forms of taxpayer dollars. That is peanuts to us.

That being said, this is a bad deal. Put it downtown or at least reserve the KOZ status for an out of state company.

It is simply a ploy by a relatively local company to cherry pick a few dollars in tax savings while the local economic development folks and county officials justify their jobs to a public who isn't paying close attention.
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Dec 11, 2008
 
Joe wrote:
I work for a much, much better Fortune 500 company here in the valley who doesn't need to play these games with KOZ and other forms of taxpayer dollars. That is peanuts to us.
That being said, this is a bad deal. Put it downtown or at least reserve the KOZ status for an out of state company.
It is simply a ploy by a relatively local company to cherry pick a few dollars in tax savings while the local economic development folks and county officials justify their jobs to a public who isn't paying close attention.
What Fortune 500 company do you work for? McDonalds? Or are you the head taste tester at the booger sandwich company?
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#71
Dec 11, 2008
 
From what I know of Pharmaceutical companies, they always have really hot female sales reps. This would be a huge boost for the Saucon Valley. The women at Olympus reach a 4 out of 10 at most. I would expect we could be seeing many 9s and 10s if Sanofi sales reps babes came to the valley. This will be a huge boost for the local economy when all of the men start buying them drinks and taking them to hotel rooms after happy hour.
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#72
Dec 11, 2008
 
I once owned a little mobile sandwich cart that I used to park outside of a newer office park like the one in Saucon Valley. I made a fortune at it by just working at lunch time. This is only one example of the many business opportunities that a company like this moving here will create. Unfortunately, it only takes one person to claim that they found a pubic hair in their sandwich and before you know it, your little business idea is ruined.
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#73
Dec 11, 2008
 
If the mayor of Allentown wants companies to come to Allentown, then he should recruit Billy Joel to write another song about the city. The lyrics would have to be specifically taylored to serenade the suits at Sanofi Aventis. Instead of "we didn't start the fire", it should be "we didn't pay the taxes".

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#74
Dec 11, 2008
 
...what I find really interesting is the amount of people the site down here in Malvern is laying off. Due to the loss of Rimonabant, they're crying the fact that they're so poor and cutting people off and down left and right, yet they can afford to move into yet another building?

I feel for the nurses who just lost their jobs because they were dedicated to a drug that Sanofi new damn well was failing, yet they kept pushing it out overseas.
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#75
Dec 12, 2008
 
1. It is a net positive that a major Pharm is locating in Lehigh County vs. Bucks, Montgomery, Sussex(NJ) or even up toward Binghampton. This may create incentive for more to come.

2. Yes, KOZ are exploited by business. One only needs to look at the number of law firms which relocated into new office buildings in KOZ zones. The intended effect never took place in Philadelphia either. Companies just relocate to where the best tax shield is. The upside is that someday these tax shield disappear.

3. It is a knowledge employer and the jobs coming here will be the higher end, higher skilled, higher wage jobs. Hopefully, they will create more over time. This is what a region with Lehigh, Lafayette, Muhlenberg, Cedar Crest, DeSales, Moravian, ESU, KU, Penn State-Lehigh Valley and Berks, Alvernia, Albright, Delaware Valley College, Ursinus College and Berks Community College, Lehigh Carbon Community College, Bucks Community College and Northampton Community College needs. We need an incentive to attract our best talent and decrease the amount of uneducated that this region has been attracting over the past 20 years.

When Allentown lowers its aggregate tax level to below Upper Saucon, you will see a rush to develop downtown Allentown. Until then, Pawlousy is going to have plenty to complain about.

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#76
Dec 12, 2008
 
People who work for Sales and Marketing in Pharma companies make very good money. 300 HIGH paying jobs is a BIG deal for this area. Manufacturing jobs do NOT pay as well as the Marketing jobs. I hope they bring the jobs to the Lehigh Valley and I hope they put the people in a building in one of our downtowns instead of the suburban sprawl-plex in Saucon Valley.
silver surfer wrote:
Big deal, they're going to move a few hundred sales and marketing positions. Wow, really something to get excited about.
Their manufacturing operations will remain at their main campus. If they were moving their manufacturing then that would be something to get excited about. However, that would cost millions and isn't practical.
Therefore, I wouldn't get all worked up about nothing.

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#77
Dec 12, 2008
 
Sanofi Pasteur is run as a separate entity from the pharmaceuticals company. Sanofi Pasteur makes VACCINES whereas Sanofi Aventis makes pharmaceuticals. One has (almost) nothing to do with the other.

Rimonabant was never going to get approved in the US and Sanofi Aventis should have known that, but so goes the crap shoot of the pharmaceutial world...
Mandapants wrote:
...what I find really interesting is the amount of people the site down here in Malvern is laying off. Due to the loss of Rimonabant, they're crying the fact that they're so poor and cutting people off and down left and right, yet they can afford to move into yet another building?
I feel for the nurses who just lost their jobs because they were dedicated to a drug that Sanofi new **** well was failing, yet they kept pushing it out overseas.

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#78
Dec 17, 2008
 
You are incorrect.

Senior production techs can make over 6 figures with overtime. Additionally, there are far more manufacturing jobs than sales and marketing.

The positions might come here, but there won't be new jobs. In this economy, the people already in those positions will drive from Scranton, NJ, etc to keep their positions.
Bethlehem Citizen wrote:
People who work for Sales and Marketing in Pharma companies make very good money. 300 HIGH paying jobs is a BIG deal for this area. Manufacturing jobs do NOT pay as well as the Marketing jobs. I hope they bring the jobs to the Lehigh Valley and I hope they put the people in a building in one of our downtowns instead of the suburban sprawl-plex in Saucon Valley.
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#79
Dec 17, 2008
 
Are you kidding?$100K salary for a mid-level marketing or sales person in a pharma company is commonplace. No "senior" or overtime required.
silver surfer wrote:
You are incorrect.
Senior production techs can make over 6 figures with overtime. Additionally, there are far more manufacturing jobs than sales and marketing.
The positions might come here, but there won't be new jobs. In this economy, the people already in those positions will drive from Scranton, NJ, etc to keep their positions.
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Dec 17, 2008
 
Feenix wrote:
Are you kidding?$100K salary for a mid-level marketing or sales person in a pharma company is commonplace. No "senior" or overtime required.
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Marketing managers and sales reps regularly work overtime. Marketing itself is about an 80 hour a week job, from middle management on up. Yes, you make over $100K - much more the higher up you move - but it's all on salary with no O/T opportunity. You have to be a senior marketing manager to be making over $150 w/ bonus, though.

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