Chiropractor accused of improper touc...

Chiropractor accused of improper touching faces hearing

There are 67 comments on the KCCI-TV Des Moines story from May 30, 2012, titled Chiropractor accused of improper touching faces hearing. In it, KCCI-TV Des Moines reports that:

Dr. Stuart Hoven is scheduled to go before the Iowa Chiropractic Board Wednesday.

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Wisdom

Roslyn, NY

#1 May 30, 2012
Another quack improperly touching patients? Very sad.

The bigger issue is that the chiropractic board refuses to put an end to the bizarre and unfounded chiropractic treatments used by most chiropractors. "Treatments" like activator, dnft, network, gonstead and nucca are ALL useless "chiropractic treatments".

The chiropractic board needs to be investigated. they need top be shut down.
EmploymentNurses -dot-com

Bronx, NY

#2 May 30, 2012
Sad sad case here.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#3 May 30, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Another quack improperly touching patients? Very sad.
The bigger issue is that the chiropractic board refuses to put an end to the bizarre and unfounded chiropractic treatments used by most chiropractors. "Treatments" like activator, dnft, network, gonstead and nucca are ALL useless "chiropractic treatments".
The chiropractic board needs to be investigated. they need top be shut down.
I agree with mr wisodm in that the bigger issue is over a half a million innocent patients are killed or maimed each year in this country alone from greedy doctors who perform unnecessary surgeries and pass out drugs like candy. Thanks for bringing that up. To me these doctors are criminals just like the kind you find in San Quentin.
The other issue is wisdom's jealousy of successful chiropractors. It verges on pathological.
CODY

Cranford, NJ

#5 May 31, 2012
Washington Chiro wrote:
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I agree with mr wisodm in that the bigger issue is over a half a million innocent patients are killed or maimed each year in this country alone from greedy doctors who perform unnecessary surgeries and pass out drugs like candy. Thanks for bringing that up. To me these doctors are criminals just like the kind you find in San Quentin.
The other issue is wisdom's jealousy of successful chiropractors. It verges on pathological.
What do your repetitive comments have to do with the Chiroquackter "touching" his patients improperly....I'm sure you would have some lame BJ Palmer retort that ...."oh..my dear jury....that's the vagina/breast/buttocks/penis adjustment......we chiroquackers utilize it all the time, haven't you heard of it"?.....You're a real moron "dr" Washboy Attendant.....get yourself another towel....what a DB you really are. You can't even comment with any reasoning on the real issues. You're the fraud. See ya.
CODY

Cranford, NJ

#6 May 31, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Another quack improperly touching patients? Very sad.
The bigger issue is that the chiropractic board refuses to put an end to the bizarre and unfounded chiropractic treatments used by most chiropractors. "Treatments" like activator, dnft, network, gonstead and nucca are ALL useless "chiropractic treatments".
The chiropractic board needs to be investigated. they need top be shut down.
Shut all the Chiro schools down.....then the morons that "practice" like this "Dr" Hoven.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#7 May 31, 2012
CODY wrote:
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What do your repetitive comments have to do with the Chiroquackter "touching" his patients improperly....I'm sure you would have some lame BJ Palmer retort that ...."oh..my dear jury....that's the vagina/breast/buttocks/penis adjustment......we chiroquackers utilize it all the time, haven't you heard of it"?.....You're a real moron "dr" Washboy Attendant.....get yourself another towel....what a DB you really are. You can't even comment with any reasoning on the real issues. You're the fraud. See ya.
Successful people aren't angry or frustrated. This 'mrcody' is a loser in every sense. He's uneducated, angry, frustrated, unemployed, broke--you know, your garden variety loser with no prospects in sight.
Most likely he's a sponge on welfare. He knows nothing about chiropractic. Zero. His opinions are worthless.
Wisdom

Roslyn, NY

#8 May 31, 2012
"You can't even comment with any reasoning on the real issues."

He's a chiropractor. "reasoning" is not one of his strong points.

I can imagine this washboy attendant in chiropractic school attending the class on toggle recoil and just nodding his head up and down. Never questioning, never daring to ask a logical question lest he be labeled "negative" by his fellow students.

And let's never forget, this washboy chiropractor claims he can cure "deep wounds" and that as a chiropractor he is "expertly qualified at treating wounds. He says he got his training at a "holiday inn seminar" put on by "thor lasers".

He's a sick person. Not only lying to himself but to his patients.

I work with real wound care specialists. They include MDs, DOs, RNs, PAs and NPs. They have vast amounts of real wound care experience. They debride wounds, they apply and prescribe medications, they change dressings, they apply wound vacs etc etc.

And yes, Cody, all chiropractic schools should be investigated and shut down. the joke in all of this are the "chiropractic boards" which claim to oversee chirpractors. And in every state, chiropractors are allowed to engage in bizarre and unfounded treatments like gonstead, ak, activator, nucca, network, peirce, thompson etc etc. And none of these have been shown to be effective in treating anything.

Other than that .....
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#9 May 31, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
"You can't even comment with any reasoning on the real issues."
He's a chiropractor. "reasoning" is not one of his strong points.
I can imagine this washboy attendant in chiropractic school attending the class on toggle recoil and just nodding his head up and down. Never questioning, never daring to ask a logical question lest he be labeled "negative" by his fellow students.
And let's never forget, this washboy chiropractor claims he can cure "deep wounds" and that as a chiropractor he is "expertly qualified at treating wounds. He says he got his training at a "holiday inn seminar" put on by "thor lasers".
He's a sick person. Not only lying to himself but to his patients.
I work with real wound care specialists. They include MDs, DOs, RNs, PAs and NPs. They have vast amounts of real wound care experience. They debride wounds, they apply and prescribe medications, they change dressings, they apply wound vacs etc etc.
And yes, Cody, all chiropractic schools should be investigated and shut down. the joke in all of this are the "chiropractic boards" which claim to oversee chirpractors. And in every state, chiropractors are allowed to engage in bizarre and unfounded treatments like gonstead, ak, activator, nucca, network, peirce, thompson etc etc. And none of these have been shown to be effective in treating anything.
Other than that .....
Wisdom, another jealous sicko whose never made a dime in his life. Result? He resents successful chiropractors. There's really no more to it than that.
Oh, don't buy wisdom's recent claim (after denying it for years) that he is suddenly an MD. Clearly, he is not.
Cabazetti_DO

Geneva, NY

#10 May 31, 2012
I had some time to review some of these topics and instantly I am left questioning why "Wisdom" dedicates his time focusing a bias skeptical hate towards the chiropractic profession. Anyhow seems the link is no longer working so I am unable to comment on the topic.
Wisdom

Roslyn, NY

#11 Jun 1, 2012
If there is something that I have posted that is not factual, you are free to point it out.

Just remember, I was a chiropractor who has since moved on to medicine.

I hate chiropractic quackery. You? Wait do you even know anything about chiropractic? Are you familiar with any chiropractic technique/treatment? The most commonly used "chiropractic" treatment is activator. Did you know that there is no evidence that activator can help any specific condition? Does that bother you?

As a DO, it should bother you.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#12 Jun 1, 2012
CabazettiDO,
If you're new here, you should know wisdom is known as the resident liar. He says he's a failed chiropractor (doubt he ever was a chiropract). He now says he's an MD working as the head of neurosurgery at a NY hospital. He now says he's a Phd. He also forgot that he said, an various posts (a liar forgets what they say) that he has 5 or 6 undergraduate degrees, another 5 or 6 master degrees, and multiple phd's. Wisdom lies constantly. So don't believe a word he says.
No one has any respect for this clown.
Cabazetti_DO

Geneva, NY

#13 Jun 1, 2012
Judging by his posts I would certainly doubt and hope Wisdom is not in medicine. Anyone can spout off vindictive rants on the internet. My greatest advise would be to ignore this user at all costs for your own health and safety.

Wisdom I am actually assessing NYCC here in central NY for my current comparative study of academia. I am quite aware of chiropractic.
Wisdom

Roslyn, NY

#14 Jun 1, 2012
Ummm no washboy, I never said I was "head of neurosurgery". You are just another lying chiropractor. But I'll give you a chance, you lying dumb ass ..... provide the link to prove yourself right.

Until then, DO can see I just exposed another lying chiropractor.

Believe me DO, I knew you could never debate me on the facts.

So, you think you know "chiropractic" because you are now doing a "comparative study"? You're an idiot. You know nothing about any chiropractic treatment. Thanks for your comments. ha ha You were so informative.

But I do have an idea for you. Why don't you use the tired "chiropractor get more classroom hours than medical students" comparison. ha ha

Or maybe you should admit that anyone, and I mean anyone, with the bare minimum prerequisites, can get onto chiropractic school. C students welcome.

Like I said DO, you are out of your league if you think you can debate me about chiropractic.

And remember this, I don't post for you, I post to expose quackery on chiropractic.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#15 Jun 2, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Ummm no washboy, I never said I was "head of neurosurgery". You are just another lying chiropractor. But I'll give you a chance, you lying dumb ass ..... provide the link to prove yourself right.
Until then, DO can see I just exposed another lying chiropractor.
Believe me DO, I knew you could never debate me on the facts.
So, you think you know "chiropractic" because you are now doing a "comparative study"? You're an idiot. You know nothing about any chiropractic treatment. Thanks for your comments. ha ha You were so informative.
But I do have an idea for you. Why don't you use the tired "chiropractor get more classroom hours than medical students" comparison. ha ha
Or maybe you should admit that anyone, and I mean anyone, with the bare minimum prerequisites, can get onto chiropractic school. C students welcome.
Like I said DO, you are out of your league if you think you can debate me about chiropractic.
And remember this, I don't post for you, I post to expose quackery on chiropractic.
Wisdom indeed said he was head of neurosurgery at a well known NY hospital. Quite an achievement considering wisdom is not an MD.
Wisdom is the only lying quack here.
Spheno

Seneca Falls, NY

#16 Jun 2, 2012
Wisdom now claims to know more than an osteopathic doctor hahah pathetic.
DrCallahan

Rockville Centre, NY

#17 Jun 3, 2012
I'm quite sure a chiropractor knows more about chiropractic than a DO.

Spheno, do you think an osteopath knows anything about any chirpractic technique? If so, how would he?

There is nothing wrong with pionting to the fact that, other than general manipulation, no chiropractic technique is supported by evidence. And no chiroopractic technique is "evidenced based".

That seems to be all that Wisdom is saying. And, as a 17 year practicing chiropractor, I agree with him.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#18 Jun 3, 2012
DrCallahan wrote:
I'm quite sure a chiropractor knows more about chiropractic than a DO.
Spheno, do you think an osteopath knows anything about any chirpractic technique? If so, how would he?
There is nothing wrong with pionting to the fact that, other than general manipulation, no chiropractic technique is supported by evidence. And no chiroopractic technique is "evidenced based".
That seems to be all that Wisdom is saying. And, as a 17 year practicing chiropractor, I agree with him.
The loser, mrwisdom, is again posting as the loser mrcallahan.
Me? Thanks for asking. I have a very successful chiropractic practice where I help thousands of people a year and make a TON of money do it. Wis/Cal? Thanks for asking. Brags that he failed as a chiropractor, blames chiropractic, Life College, Sid and the Space Shuttle for his failure.
Chiropractic is the greatest proession ever. I couldn't be happier.
Wisdom

Roslyn, NY

#19 Jun 3, 2012
" I couldn't be happier."

Keep trying to convince yourself. Maybe if you repeat it another 10000 times.

Thanks Dr. Callahan. Seems these idiots can't argue on the merits so they start the name calling again. Same crap form these idiots.

Wonder where the DO is to tell us all about "chiropractic techniques". ha ha Maybe he can rationalize thousands of chiropractors using "activator" to "treat" people with any/all conditions.

Me thinks we just exposed this DO as not knowing much about "chiropractic" yet he didn't hesitate to open his mouth. No surprise.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#20 Jun 3, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
" I couldn't be happier."
Keep trying to convince yourself. Maybe if you repeat it another 10000 times.
Thanks Dr. Callahan. Seems these idiots can't argue on the merits so they start the name calling again. Same crap form these idiots.
Wonder where the DO is to tell us all about "chiropractic techniques". ha ha Maybe he can rationalize thousands of chiropractors using "activator" to "treat" people with any/all conditions.
Me thinks we just exposed this DO as not knowing much about "chiropractic" yet he didn't hesitate to open his mouth. No surprise.
Wisdom also says there are "over 200 bizarre chiropractic techniques."
If I were to list all of the drugs that were once in use and now out of use over the last 20 years, the list would be over 5,000 drugs. These drugs are out of use since they a. were ineffective. b. were dangerous or c. killed and maimed people.
If I were to list all of the people in this country alone who were killed by MD prescriptions it would read like an Auschwitz death camp directory.
datruth

Waleska, GA

#21 Jun 3, 2012
Since he is a doctor, would he only get his chiropractic license revoked/suspended or would he face real criminal charges?

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