Opponents of Indianapolis smoking ban...

Opponents of Indianapolis smoking ban to unite in court

There are 345 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jun 13, 2012, titled Opponents of Indianapolis smoking ban to unite in court. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Opponents of Indianapolis's smoking ban are uniting in court. Indianapolis-based attorney Mark Small plans to file a motion today in federal court that would combine several lawsuits filed against the ban.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1 Jun 13, 2012
In 1776, they knew nothing about the connection between various cancers and smoking, or the dangers of second-hand smoke.

Public helth has been shown to be an effective reason to overrule "rights".

This is an impressive battle over allowing addicts to feed their jones in public, I have to admit.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#2 Jun 13, 2012
Ah, I foresee this thread will become home to azmac.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#3 Jun 18, 2012
My mistake. Anyone in the market for a gently used crystal ball?
ima hoosier

Itasca, IL

#4 Jun 18, 2012
in 1776 the leading brands were probably billypenn lites,crown filters,colony menthol 100s,kings choice, and boston puritans.
practical minded

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Jun 18, 2012
where does it stop? been hearing grumblings from the peanut gallery about perfumes and cologne, I get a headache listening to screaming kids, but I know if I go certain places I will likely run into both. no one is forced at gunpoint to work anywhere so the perfume crowd say the smell gives them migraines, how do we make everyone happy? the business owners need to make these decisions for themselves.
ima hoosier

Itasca, IL

#6 Jun 18, 2012
i do not smoke anymore. i save 46.00 per week. i put that savings toward whiskey. maybe one day i will quit drinking. i wonder when the groups that help take a persons right to smoke in public away will raise a stink about drinking in bars .so far, they do not lobby for that so its ok to drink and drive. where are the anti groups on that???

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#7 Jun 18, 2012
Many companies ban colognes because they CAN induce allergenic reactions, but it is unlike.y that there will be legislation ovr it. However, this has nothing to do with smoking; second-hand smoke is proven to be unhealthy even in short exposures, much less all day. It's a public safety issue, just like overserving alcohol to customers.

In this economy, saying "no one forces them to work there" is pure BS. People take the jobs they can get. Employers are legally bound to provide safe working environments.
practical minded wrote:
where does it stop? been hearing grumblings from the peanut gallery about perfumes and cologne, I get a headache listening to screaming kids, but I know if I go certain places I will likely run into both. no one is forced at gunpoint to work anywhere so the perfume crowd say the smell gives them migraines, how do we make everyone happy? the business owners need to make these decisions for themselves.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#8 Jun 18, 2012
Switching addictions still make you an addict. You junkies get really sensitive when you're kept from your drug of choice, dontcha?
ima hoosier wrote:
i do not smoke anymore. i save 46.00 per week. i put that savings toward whiskey. maybe one day i will quit drinking. i wonder when the groups that help take a persons right to smoke in public away will raise a stink about drinking in bars .so far, they do not lobby for that so its ok to drink and drive. where are the anti groups on that???
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#9 Jun 19, 2012
There is still a certain amount of defeatism among "prohibitionists", but there are some around. It isn't appropriate subject matter in the "smoking" forum, though.
practical minded

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Jun 19, 2012
I have no problem with not harming anyone, but when outdoor smoking is stopped, and yes, away from the doors it goes too far.smokers had their area to keep clean and be respectful but the slippery slope is here. I only answered phones for the person hiring but after I said hello the list of demands started. the big ones are, no perfume, no smoking anywhere, even no pets at home because of dander. is the day coming that we are legislated to what pets we have at home?sorry to say it is the younger crowd with the biggest list of demands. even in this economy
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#11 Jun 19, 2012
practical minded wrote:
I have no problem with not harming anyone, but when outdoor smoking is stopped, and yes, away from the doors it goes too far.smokers had their area to keep clean and be respectful but the slippery slope is here. I only answered phones for the person hiring but after I said hello the list of demands started. the big ones are, no perfume, no smoking anywhere, even no pets at home because of dander. is the day coming that we are legislated to what pets we have at home?sorry to say it is the younger crowd with the biggest list of demands. even in this economy
You seem to be posting gibberish.
practical minded

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Jun 19, 2012
the slippery slope is government telling me, you, or anyone how to run our business. if I allow smoking and no one comes or I cant get good help the I am out of business, so be it. the list of demands will never end.considering the state of the current economy i dont think the government is in a position to tell small business how to work.the new crop of workers are not what they used to be.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#14 Jun 19, 2012
The number of smokers decreases every year, and non-smokers appreciate being free of other peoples' pollution. Second-hand smoke is a public safety issue.

The government already tells you how to run your business in many ways.The smoking bn is in essence no different than the lists of food safety standards that restaurants have to abide by to stay open.
practical minded wrote:
the slippery slope is government telling me, you, or anyone how to run our business. if I allow smoking and no one comes or I cant get good help the I am out of business, so be it. the list of demands will never end.considering the state of the current economy i dont think the government is in a position to tell small business how to work.the new crop of workers are not what they used to be.
triose

Carmel, IN

#15 Jun 19, 2012
Tobacco Cologne wrote:
<quoted text> Do you like tobacco cologne? You know you're standing in line at the bank and in comes a stinkbomb that stands close to you and just the stinkola wafting of their gross clothing makes your eyes water and throat burn?
Use the drive up !!!
ItsAFact

New Market, MD

#16 Jun 19, 2012
triose wrote:
<quoted text>
Use the drive up !!!
He can't reach the window from his tricycle.
flowerchild

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Jun 19, 2012
What about all the air pollution I'm breathing all day because factories and such? What about the big buses and trucks I ride behind on the roads that are blowing black smoke? What about all the polluted ground water because of the chemicals we spray on weeds for weed control? All of these are public safety issues...I'm just sayin' is all :-)
cpeter1313 wrote:
Many companies ban colognes because they CAN induce allergenic reactions, but it is unlike.y that there will be legislation ovr it. However, this has nothing to do with smoking; second-hand smoke is proven to be unhealthy even in short exposures, much less all day. It's a public safety issue, just like overserving alcohol to customers.
In this economy, saying "no one forces them to work there" is pure BS. People take the jobs they can get. Employers are legally bound to provide safe working environments.
<quoted text>
flowerchild

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Jun 19, 2012
Everyone has some kind of vice or addiction...addiction is addiction.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Switching addictions still make you an addict. You junkies get really sensitive when you're kept from your drug of choice, dontcha?
<quoted text>

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#19 Jun 19, 2012
Now someone is complaining about all those smokers coming outside to smoke. To funny.

http://blogs.indystar.com/letters/2012/06/18/...
ItsAFact

Walkersville, MD

#20 Jun 19, 2012
DavidM wrote:
Now someone is complaining about all those smokers coming outside to smoke. To funny.
http://blogs.indystar.com/letters/2012/06/18/...
The whining bastards have been complaining about that since the first indoor ban started.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#22 Jun 19, 2012
practical minded wrote:
the slippery slope is government telling me, you, or anyone how to run our business. if I allow smoking and no one comes or I cant get good help the I am out of business, so be it. the list of demands will never end.considering the state of the current economy i dont think the government is in a position to tell small business how to work.the new crop of workers are not what they used to be.
The slippery slope is people telling us what the slippery slope is. Pretty soon they'll be trotting out that logical fallacy for everything and expecting us to take them seriously.

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