Government can't be in care business

Recent letters to your paper advocate for a nationalized, single-payer health-care system and say a government-run system would be less expensive and provide better care.

[Randy]

It is funny how most conservatives think and talk alike. Why does Mike Folmer have a problem with government controlling health care and he sees no problem with the insurance companies controlling health care. Every year we are paying more and more for health insurance and the insurance companies want to pay less and less. I used to think car insurance was bad but health insurance makes car insurance look like a bargain.
Mike has to experience an insurance company telling you what medication you can take because you can’t afford the medication your doctor prescribes. We are beginning to see more of these stories in the paper all the time. He needs to experience Doctor’s not excepting certain insurance companies because they are to difficult to deal with and have a habit of not paying.
Mike, something needs to be done. Either be a part of a solution or get out of the way. Most of us are willing to try anything. The problem with your government is that it takes to long to fix problems because of unwillingness to compromise.
Unless you have aspirations of running for the senate you need to stick to getting a state budget passed not writing articles about health care.

[Buster]

Randy, you're an idiot. Of course you're "willing to try anything."

That's what got us into this mess in the first place. You keep falling for it.

Over and out.

[Mr Rational]

Yeah Mike,
Because private insurance is doing such a great job... record premium increases, denying services to individuals who desperately need it just to save the insurance company some profit, and huge deductibles...

I have another question. How much money have they dontated to your campaign?????

[randy]

Once again Buster pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow. Which part of what I said got us into trouble. Willing to try anything? Could you be more specific. How did this get us in trouble and when did it do it? Remember we are talking health insurance not not Medicare.See if you can answer without quoting the Heritage Foundation for once.

[Buster]

See comment #11 on this thread:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/lebanon-dai...

[Dork Watcher]

So the government can run the military, be in charge of nuclear weapons and multi-billion dollars aircraft carriers, subs and jets...

the government can run a postal system that can carry your crap letters from one end of the nation to the other for less than 50 cents.

But GOD FORBID we let the government involved in health care. They might kill us all!!!

Opposition to government-backed health care is fucking stupid and clearly puts you in the pocket of insurance and pharmaceutical corporations.

[randy]

That's it Buster. Do away with health insurance all together. You Bonehead we are in too deep. What makes you think that will happen? Have you been sucking on the old crack pipe? Next you’ll want to trade a chicken for a tonsillectomy.

[Buster]

Randy, I'm sorry I called you an idiot. That wasn't accurate -- quite. You're a stupid idiot. How anyone could read the article at that link and reach the conclusions you did is a mystery.

The Divine Obama is telling us that mandating universal coverage will make health care more affordable. Stossel puts the lie to that with an easily understood example -- easily understood by anyone with half a brain, at least.

You frequently mention that you have a job. It can't be much of one. If you're able to care for yourself, why are you so eager to get a government handout that will only raise costs and taxes while reducing care for everyone?

Your obvious anger gets in the way of your ability to think, assuming you have some vestigial intelligence. Hopeless.

[Mike in Rockville]

Buster wrote:

Randy, I'm sorry I called you an idiot. That wasn't accurate -- quite. You're a stupid idiot. How anyone could read the article at that link and reach the conclusions you did is a mystery.
The Divine Obama is telling us that mandating universal coverage will make health care more affordable. Stossel puts the lie to that with an easily understood example -- easily understood by anyone with half a brain, at least.
You frequently mention that you have a job. It can't be much of one. If you're able to care for yourself, why are you so eager to get a government handout that will only raise costs and taxes while reducing care for everyone?
Your obvious anger gets in the way of your ability to think, assuming you have some vestigial intelligence. Hopeless.

Bluster, go back to your room and study your Debate 101 notes again. You're back to calling names--AGAIN.

[Mike in Rockville]

Buster wrote:

Randy, I'm sorry I called you an idiot. That wasn't accurate -- quite. You're a stupid idiot. How anyone could read the article at that link and reach the conclusions you did is a mystery.
The Divine Obama is telling us that mandating universal coverage will make health care more affordable. Stossel puts the lie to that with an easily understood example -- easily understood by anyone with half a brain, at least.
You frequently mention that you have a job. It can't be much of one. If you're able to care for yourself, why are you so eager to get a government handout that will only raise costs and taxes while reducing care for everyone?
Your obvious anger gets in the way of your ability to think, assuming you have some vestigial intelligence. Hopeless.

Oops! Study your notes from Remedial Debate 090. My bad.

[randy]

I’ll tell you why Buster. Because I believe it should be, in this day and age, everyone’s right to health care. No one should be denied benefits and left to suffer or die because they can’t afford treatment. By your way of thinking if there is a government run health care it would become cheapened because the government would dictate what is necessary for you and what is not. You think that the insurance companies are more qualified to make those decisions. Kind of like you think oil companies should write environmental laws. I would think that more avenues would be open, and less treatment denied. I have a very good job and my benefits are fully paid but if there is a way my employer can spend less on health care he will be able to give me more money in my paycheck. Even a conservative bonehead like you should have figured that out. You’re all about what’s in it for me.
I really hate to stoop to your level and call you names Buster but your obviously a child in a grown up body. It hurts doesn’t it? Maybe one day you will grow up and use your words for more constructive causes.BONEHEAD.

[Buster]

randy wrote:

I’ll tell you why Buster. Because I believe it should be, in this day and age, everyone’s right to health care. No one should be denied benefits and left to suffer or die because they can’t afford treatment. By your way of thinking if there is a government run health care it would become cheapened because the government would dictate what is necessary for you and what is not. You think that the insurance companies are more qualified to make those decisions. Kind of like you think oil companies should write environmental laws. I would think that more avenues would be open, and less treatment denied. I have a very good job and my benefits are fully paid but if there is a way my employer can spend less on health care he will be able to give me more money in my paycheck. Even a conservative bonehead like you should have figured that out. You’re all about what’s in it for me.
I really hate to stoop to your level and call you names Buster but your obviously a child in a grown up body. It hurts doesn’t it? Maybe one day you will grow up and use your words for more constructive causes.BONEHEAD.

Randy, that doesn't make sense. Not even a little bit. You don't even know the difference between health insurance and health care.

Ask the Good Samaritan Hospital if they provide care for people without health insurance. Then ask if they're allowed to determine patients' citizenship status.

Hopeless. But, if Obama says it, it must be OK, right?

Over and out.

[carl]

Dork Watcher wrote:

So the government can run the military, be in charge of nuclear weapons and multi-billion dollars aircraft carriers, subs and jets...
the government can run a postal system that can carry your crap letters from one end of the nation to the other for less than 50 cents.
But GOD FORBID we let the government involved in health care. They might kill us all!!!
Opposition to government-backed health care is fucking stupid and clearly puts you in the pocket of insurance and pharmaceutical corporations.

LOL, Any type of biz the gov't tries to run loses money and costs US money, USPS and Amtrack to name a few, add to that the dismal state of affairs of Social Securtity and Medicare.. Oh and wait till GM needs more money to "re tool" to make their "green cars".. but hey whats 50 Billion here or there?

wake up

[Randy]

Buster you are a kid aren't you. You know what I meant. Your Good Sam analogy is a perfect example of why Health Care costs are beyond control. I would be the first person to agree to laws that would send illegals back to where they came and I still can not understand why our laws are not being enforced. I am in the construction business Bonehead (Buster) I see first hand what the problem is with illegals. Most of the illegals I see are being hired by so called Christian Conservative Farmers.
If you sit around listening to Sean Hannity and Rush all day while you jerk off to Ann Colter you’ll never grow up.

[Buster]

Oh, you're a union bozo, Randy. No wonder you're so desperate for socialized medicine. The unions have p*ssed away your benefit funds on electing Democrats who then proceeded to run the markets into the ground. Now you want a payoff so your union can offload your medical plan on the taxpayers and fund higher salaries and junkets for union bosses even while construction jobs are being lost during the Obama economy and union dues are plummeting.

So much for those "shovel-ready" stimulus projects. You better have seniority, pal, or you may be next to go.

If I were you, I'd be worried, too. Not angry and uninformed like you, just very worried.

[Mike in Rockville]

carl wrote:

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LOL, Any type of biz the gov't tries to run loses money and costs US money, USPS and Amtrack to name a few, add to that the dismal state of affairs of Social Securtity and Medicare.. Oh and wait till GM needs more money to "re tool" to make their "green cars".. but hey whats 50 Billion here or there?
wake up

The government doesn't run businesses, it runs government. The function of government is to provide services. In the U.S., we have built-in, constitutional inefficiencies into our governments at all levels, because we believe that is the best way to keep Leviathan under control. The function of business is to make profit for its owners. The two are different and neither is supposed to perform the function of the other.

That said, USPS is the result of Richard Nixon's misguided effort to make a business out of the the U.S. Post Office Department, which was a constitutional function of the federal government from day one. The purpose of the post office is to deliver mail, as efficiently as possible, to every part of the United States. Congress has hobbled the USPS at every turn, opening its most "profitable" routes and service classes to UPS, FedEx, DHL, and the rest. The commercial carriers skim off the best routes and run with the money. The USPS, however, must serve everyone and every place in the U.S.

Ever wonder why you don't see a USPS airplane? It's called a subsidy to the U.S. flag air carriers. USPS is held hostage to the airlines' freight rates to move the mail over long distances. That provides a nifty subsidy for U.S. flag carriers, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. Would it be more efficient and cost-effective for USPS to have its own air fleet? Of course it would! Why do you think you see all those UPS and FedEx airplaines? In fact, and in spite of having to do its business with one hand tied behind its back, the USPS moves more mail more efficiently than any other carrier, public or private, in the world.

[Folmer is wrong]

The government has been in the healthcare business far longer then you've been collecting a paycheck from the State taxpayers Mr. Folmer, but you have somehow quickly been converted from a tire salesmen to an authority on the healthcare systems needs for the whole country.
We have heard your Republican answer to healthcare, you think the answer to healthcare is preventing middle class citizens from suing a doctor that cuts off the patients left leg instead of their right leg. Try again Mr. Folmer.
Mr. Folmer you need to stop trying to protect the big healtcare providers and CEO'S and their high paid salaries and bonuses. The people in this country need affordable healthcare and if that comes at the expense of your rich Republican healthcare CEO'S salaries, so be it.
Mr. Folmer 72% of the citizens in this country want a public option to lower healthcare costs, so I would say your opinion of government run healthcare and taxpayers opinion is totally opposite.
I say to my fellow taxpayers, if we the people need to eliminate rich healthcare CEO'S bonuses and salaries to pay doctors a fair wage and make healthcare costs more affordable, I'm all in !!!! Or we can continue to follow Mr. Folmer path of doing nothing, but sitting back protecting the rich healthcare CEO'S and watching healthcare costs double.

[Folmer is wrong]

Buster wrote:

Oh, you're a union bozo, Randy. No wonder you're so desperate for socialized medicine. The unions have p*ssed away your benefit funds on electing Democrats who then proceeded to run the markets into the ground. Now you want a payoff so your union can offload your medical plan on the taxpayers and fund higher salaries and junkets for union bosses even while construction jobs are being lost during the Obama economy and union dues are plummeting.
So much for those "shovel-ready" stimulus projects. You better have seniority, pal, or you may be next to go.
If I were you, I'd be worried, too. Not angry and uninformed like you, just very worried.

If affordable healthcare for all comes at the expense of some rich healthcare CEO'S job, so be it.

Again Buster how many rich Republicans are today accepting and using government run healthcare called medicare. Socialized medicine is already being used by millions of Republican retiree's without any complaints, so all the taxpayers want is the chance to buy the socialized insurance program that retiree's receive today.

Hey Buster what's this obsession you have with everything in the country that happens revolves around unions. Healthcare costs are out of control for every company, wake-up whack job.

[Folmer is wrong]

Buster wrote:

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Randy, that doesn't make sense. Not even a little bit. You don't even know the difference between health insurance and health care.
Ask the Good Samaritan Hospital if they provide care for people without health insurance. Then ask if they're allowed to determine patients' citizenship status.
Hopeless. But, if Obama says it, it must be OK, right?
Over and out.

What exactly did Bush do in eight years to bring down healthcare costs or eliminate illegals again ?

Your one of the slime balls that voted Bush into office.

[Folmer is wrong]

carl wrote:

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LOL, Any type of biz the gov't tries to run loses money and costs US money, USPS and Amtrack to name a few, add to that the dismal state of affairs of Social Securtity and Medicare.. Oh and wait till GM needs more money to "re tool" to make their "green cars".. but hey whats 50 Billion here or there?
wake up

The government is never out to make money genius, that's for private companies. Just imagine how much more government would be corrupt if it was out to actually make money. You really are stupid, Carl.