VA Supreme Court: Plans for New Charlottesville YMCA Can Happen

ACAC and Gold's Gym had claimed that the process for providing the land to the YMCA was flawed, and that they had not been given a fair chance to bid on the project. Full Story
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uhhhh

United States

#1 Jan 10, 2013
ACAC is stupid expensive and Gold's looks like a prison yard gym at night...it will be good to have another option in town.
Pogo

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Jan 10, 2013
Ams gonna quit ACAC and join da YMCA !!
javier j

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Jan 10, 2013
this is stupid they are ruining this enviorment by doing this
Jerry

United States

#5 Jan 10, 2013
and the big "gym" owners went wee wee wee all the way home!
Gus

United States

#6 Jan 10, 2013
Booo! With the new fitness center in the Jefferson School, the Y is no longer needed in the city. Put it out in the county and leave the park alone.
jogger

Brookneal, VA

#7 Jan 10, 2013
The ymca should never be built in the park...there was no citizen demand for the y to be in the park...there were no public discussions about where the y should or should not go...just one meeting at the armory downtown without any public comment and then a quick council vote to put the y in the park...even the council vote on the y was split 3 - 3...that vote in itself should have said that more time and discussion were needed...but no lynch, norris and brown moved the y forward .. jerks...
Hoogisan

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Jan 10, 2013
The bigger gyms prices in this town are way overinflated. Just loaded with old Albemarle county trust fun money. They are all gonna come back down to earth real soon when members start dropping like flies and flock to the new and affordable options. Their cockiness will soon be stiffeled..
Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Jan 10, 2013
I still find it humorous that places like ACAC used members' money to attempt to halt a competitor who could actually provide similar services for much less money. It is like a union who uses its members' tens of thousands to support a political candidate who it anti-union.

So, let's see...what will happen if a YMCA opens in town? Competition will force prices downward. I hope ACAC members are appreciative of what their exhorbitant fees have been supporting during these past couple of years.

R.I.P.: Charles Atlas
Rex

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Jan 10, 2013
Gus wrote:
Booo! With the new fitness center in the Jefferson School, the Y is no longer needed in the city. Put it out in the county and leave the park alone.
Hop on the bus Gus, you don't need to discuss much! Anyone listening to Gus or Jogger?
George S

Hartselle, AL

#12 Jan 10, 2013
javier j wrote:
this is stupid they are ruining this enviorment by doing this
The park is there only because when the roads were built, no one wanted to dig up the big hill, so, the roads go around the hill. Today, the hill remains only because the lousy roads already go around it.

"Environment"? I don't the the planet will die because of this tiny project.
yep

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Jan 10, 2013
You know capitaism has crossed the line when it argues against something like this.
Tomkins

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Jan 10, 2013
The fees the Y is proposing are not that much cheaper than the private clubs and are more than Smith and Crow rec centers. The Y will be primarily be serving county residents so it should be built there.
Bill

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Jan 10, 2013
If the much-needed Y is finally getting built, is it possible that construction of the Meadow Creek Pkwy/McIntire Rd Extended and 250 Bypass interchange will be next? Perhaps there's hope after all. Only Charlottesville can generate so much protracted heat--and legal costs--over projects that other locales would deem vital to a developing community and a world-class university. As for the usual save-the-park ranters, there's a splendid botanical garden project in the works, so let's cross our fingers that it doesn't also raise their ire. As for the Y, let's now give it our full support...as we'll actually see it open in our lifetimes.
Happy for the Y

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Jan 11, 2013
This is great news! Most of ACAC staff are so arrogant - plus scandals galore. You simply cannot get parking downtown, twice I have simply had to drive home as they couldn't accommodate me as a member. Shame on you ACAH this entire endeavor will bite you back HARD! Bring on the Y asap!
lawyer

Hillsville, VA

#18 Jan 11, 2013
ACAC's lawyers are incompetent, and in their post-ruling spin misrepresent what the Va Supreme Court decided. ACAC says they are happy the Court took the case in order to review the merits, but the Court did just the opposite -- it took review in order to rule that there was no jurisdiction for the cases, ever, and to hold that the suit was never properly filed and that Judge Higgins should have thrown them out without ever bothering to address the merits. Three things should happen as a consequence of these frivolous lawsuits -- first, the city and the county should be reimbursed by ACAC and Golds for the wasted resources they had to expend in defending these bogus suits; second, ACAC and Golds members should get reimbursements from their gyms for any extra fees they had to pay to support the litigation; and third, whatever fees ACAC's and Gold's lawyers pocketed for this massive waste of time should be donated to the YMCA to be used to accelerate the stupidly delayed construction of the sorely needed new Y.
JMK

Miamisburg, OH

#20 Jan 11, 2013
I am glad to see it. There is probably enough business, between Charlottesville and its "hinterland" in the counties, to support all of them.
Hoogisan

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Jan 11, 2013
The new gym downtown opens up 1/19. The rates are awesome, great equipment and facilities. Farewell arogant big gym......
The Future

Charlottesville, VA

#22 Jan 11, 2013
What could this look like is 5 years?

1). It works well, good use, financially sound. Best possible outcome and the lease renues automatically after 40 years. This occurs in violation of State Constitution limits on public property lease. Fight it out then.

2). Cannot garner enough membership support. The it defaults an the City legally, per the ground lease, inherits an unused vacant building in their park.

3). The "Y" becomes a bad neighbor and the City cancels or does not renew the ground lease. Well, per the lease, there will be an appraisal of the building and the City will owe the "Y" 90% of that number. So the "Y" can take the money and run. The City again has a vacant building in their park.

You see the City gets all the risk. Did anybody question city council?
lenny bruce

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Jan 11, 2013
"a candy colored clown they call the sandman
tip toes to my room every night,
just to sprinkle stardust and to whisper,

go to sleep; everything is alright"
Hobbes

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Jan 12, 2013
As 'Lawyer' suggests, I really hope that one of the parties to the lawsuit of the Y does pursue legal action and recourse so there are some real financial consequences for this frivolity. This was clearly a well thought-out business strategy by Wendel. Best outcome, he figures out a way to sway the court to rule in his favor. If this is the worst outcome, it still bought him 4 years of monopoly and he was able to raise additional capital to built his new facility in Short Pump. He has penetrated the larger Richmond market and can better weather the coming storm in the Charlottesville market. A rational strategy, but immoral in my opinion. Please somebody make him pay.

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