Gay McDougall report on mission to Guyana

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PROMOTION AND PROTECTION OF ALL HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL, POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO DEVELOPMENT Report of the independent expert on minority issues * Addendum MISSION TO GUYANA ** * Late submission.

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Ernest

United States

#1 Mar 29, 2009
Freedom for Guayana? what freedom? the one like Burnham era? you mad or what
Observer

Georgetown, Guyana

#2 Apr 6, 2009
The McDougall report was sponsored by the oppositions, according to this meaning less report, it seems that the government has done nothing for Guyana. Where do these people get these nonsensical statements, why do they keep attacking the government, where/who they get these Nancy stories...

This statement was completely biased, it was clearly an opposition based report, the report also rejects the Amerindians...why all this????

tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#3 Apr 7, 2009
Her report is flawed!! Clearly this report paints a profile of the stark reality of the country in relation to its challenges, achievements and availability of scarce resources.

The State Party is concerned that Guyana is portrayed as an ethnically polarized society by the Independent Expert in which one ethnic group dominates another at all levels.
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#4 Apr 7, 2009
The Independent Expert ignored mere statistics that illustrated that no political party and no ethnic group through a political party could gain power as no ethnic group has a majority to win 51% of the vote required by the constitution. The Government won 54.7% of the votes at the 2006 national elections judged by an international observer mission as free and fair; this was not achieved through ethnic voting.
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#5 Apr 7, 2009
She was supposed to be an “Independent Expert” to Guyana which will conduct such surveys and report on the facts and reality of situations in the country. Since her inadequate and superficial treatment meted out to the State the question must be asked as to what kind of “expert” she is really!?
Veronica

Madrid, Spain

#6 Apr 8, 2009
What I've read so far seems to protray the situation as it is. Who can say how a person experiences a situation, but the person him/herself, so far I find it to be a good report. The report mentions the feelings of persons, it does not back those feelings with examples or even state those feelings to be facts.
The report so far what I've read discribes the situation, and says what must be achieved. Put your emotions aside and read it as it is written. This is in now way a negative report
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#7 Apr 9, 2009
Veronica wrote:
What I've read so far seems to protray the situation as it is. Who can say how a person experiences a situation, but the person him/herself, so far I find it to be a good report. The report mentions the feelings of persons, it does not back those feelings with examples or even state those feelings to be facts.
The report so far what I've read discribes the situation, and says what must be achieved. Put your emotions aside and read it as it is written. This is in now way a negative report
There is always room for improvement; despite the inaccuracies in the report there are areas which we can draw from and improve certain areas. But to say that the report describes the actual “situation” in Guyana is misleading and false!

I do not know since when one person can enter a country, which I guess have never visited before, talk to a few persons, which are also portrayers of the negative aspects due to being in opposition, and compile a report refusing even to acknowledge the Govt.’s interventions in many areas and one would call that report accurate or even acceptable!
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#8 Apr 9, 2009
Veronica wrote:
What I've read so far seems to protray the situation as it is. Who can say how a person experiences a situation, but the person him/herself, so far I find it to be a good report. The report mentions the feelings of persons, it does not back those feelings with examples or even state those feelings to be facts.
The report so far what I've read discribes the situation, and says what must be achieved. Put your emotions aside and read it as it is written. This is in now way a negative report
This same woman, McDougall, is also banned from Australia and Greece for compiling a report which was proven totally misleading to the actual situation in these countries.

It is not the first time she is involved in such discrepancies!!
Rajah Kahn

United States

#9 Apr 9, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>This same woman, McDougall, is also banned from Australia and Greece for compiling a report which was proven totally misleading to the actual situation in these countries.
It is not the first time she is involved in such discrepancies!!
Tyron, just stop bitching about McDougall' report. As always, no one likes to hear the truth. As far as I am concerned, you and the rest wants to paint a rosy picture on everything. First of all, Fagdeo had been abusing his wife for a long time, but you guys purported that it is a private matter. The majority of the news media, like Kaiteur news played down the situation. Inadvertently, they are saying that such abuse is OK, and Uma lied. This lady went into the CORE of the grassroots, which you guys neglect, and she interviewed and spoke directly to people, the real people, not artificial like you, and reported exactly on her findings. Now for you guys to look at the report carefully, and take measures in resolving these problems, you come here and make wild allegations about the lady. I , for one feels that she was sincere in her report, and she pinpointed with accuracy what she evidenced in the societies, it is true that discrimination prejudices exists in all the countries in the world, etc, etc. Veronica made some good points about the lady. Look, Tyrone. not everything is perfect, as you always postulate, so before "pulling out" the little hair in your head, get a life and if you are so concerned about the inaccuracies of the report, do something to change. It appears you do not see past your nopse, however short it is. It is all about Fagdeo and the boys, doing good. Recheck your faculties, and tell the govt to start cleaning up. The bauxite industries controlled by the Chinese will be laying off people soon, why , because of Global economic crisis. You were the one who said that it will not affect Guyana. People need help ,man, I was in Guyana and have senn how some people are suffering and hate your govt., especially, they fel hurt when they heard what Jagdeo did to his wife, and that they have a "GAY" president.
Veronica

Almería, Spain

#10 Apr 9, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>There is always room for improvement; despite the inaccuracies in the report there are areas which we can draw from and improve certain areas. But to say that the report describes the actual “situation” in Guyana is misleading and false!
I do not know since when one person can enter a country, which I guess have never visited before, talk to a few persons, which are also portrayers of the negative aspects due to being in opposition, and compile a report refusing even to acknowledge the Govt.’s interventions in many areas and one would call that report accurate or even acceptable!
I find her visit to be too short.
Veronica

Almería, Spain

#11 Apr 9, 2009
Tyron maybe this helps.
The independent expert’s evaluation of minority issues in Guyana is based on the 1992
Declaration on Minorities and other relevant international standards, from which she has
identified four broad areas of concern relating to minorities globally.
(The key here is the date 1992.

In Guyana, the independent expert focused her attention on the relations between, and comparative situations of Afro-Guyanese and Indo-Guyanese.
(This is mainly the problem with Guyana. The tension that exist between these two.)

The Government encouraged the independent expert to also consider issues facing indigenous peoples which would highlight recently instituted good practices by the Government. She noted the important efforts made by the Government to improve the situation of indigenous communities in regard to health care and education.

(Here she is aware of improvements.)

Since matters relating to indigenous peoples fall within the mandate of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights and fundamental freedoms of indigenous peoples, they will not be covered in this report.

(This is a bloody shame.)

In July 2003, the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance highlighted that he found that every level of Guyanese society is permeated by a profound moral, emotional and political fatigue, arising out of the individual and collective impact of ethnic polarization.

(What part of this paragraph is incorrect?)

In 2008, the independent expert witnessed a continuing societal malaise that shows evidence of having deepened and transformed in some instances into despair, anger and resistance.

(Lets look at this from an Indian point of view: despair ((what if there is a PNC govt, and things go back to where it was. All my hard work is lost, just like it happened to others in the past.)
(Now look at it from a Black point of view: anger ((I'm no longer privileged (as many were) ashamed its not my party thats improving things, would my party ever win again, etc.)
(Logical both will suffer and show some resistance.)

Despair, anger and resistance.
This is particularly evident among Afro-Guyanese individuals and communities that reported feeling excluded, discriminated against and criminalized.

Afro-Guyanese with whom the independent expert met described feeling excluded from having a full voice and stake in the national polity and equal enjoyment of rights in many fields of life including employment and economic participation.

(This is an understandably FEELING. Many times they may hear it is ppp that is building the country not pnc whether they voted for ppp or pnc. Feeling excluded can relate to not have opportunities that was once theirs for the asking/ taking or simply some form of inferiority complex)

They reported stigmatization of young Afro-Guyanese males and entire African communities. Derogatory stereotypes of criminality colour wider societal perceptions of Afro-Guyanese individuals and communities.

(Many sees in a black person: a thief etc, so this is a fact. What are your thoughts on Buxton?)

Ethnically divided political and administrative structures and failed political processes have created deep frustrations and distrust in the institution of government.

(Here, we just have to remember the past and present failures.)

A climate of suspicion, rumour and conspiracy theory exists in Guyana which has been fuelled by exceptionally violent incidents in 2008.

(Which part of this is incorrect?)

Two separate and conflicting narratives and perceptions of reality have emerged among Afro- and Indo-Guyanese, which threaten to undermine shared values and common goals that are essential to a united, prosperous Guyana

(This is a fact.)
Veronica

Almería, Spain

#12 Apr 9, 2009
The independent expert recognizes commendable steps on the part of the Government to date to address issues of ethnic tensions, criminal activities and economic underdevelopment.

(Do you not see the key words here: commendable steps.)

However, further effective action is required urgently to restore confidence in good governance and the rule of law among all communities, and prevent an inexorable slide into further polarization and possible violence. A new era of political will and strong, visionary leadership is required to realize change and reverse the economic and social stagnation that is evident in a divided Guyana.

(This is badly needed, don't you see it?)

Do you still see this as being a negative report.

The political climate is a fact,
improvements has been made another fact,
although no factual case is mention over discrimination, marginalization and/ or stigmatization the FEELING is there. No case record.

Can you know how a person feel in any given situation?
Pilot 102

Jersey City, NJ

#13 Apr 9, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>There is always room for improvement; despite the inaccuracies in the report there are areas which we can draw from and improve certain areas. But to say that the report describes the actual “situation” in Guyana is misleading and false!
I do not know since when one person can enter a country, which I guess have never visited before, talk to a few persons, which are also portrayers of the negative aspects due to being in opposition, and compile a report refusing even to acknowledge the Govt.’s interventions in many areas and one would call that report accurate or even acceptable!
That other racist from T&T Panday made one Visit to Guyana and said what a good job Jagdeo is doing, so what the hell are you talking about one visit.
Rajah Kahn

United States

#14 Apr 9, 2009
Veronica wrote:
Tyron maybe this helps.
The independent expert’s evaluation of minority issues in Guyana is based on the 1992
Declaration on Minorities and other relevant international standards, from which she has
identified four broad areas of concern relating to minorities globally.
(The key here is the date 1992.
In Guyana, the independent expert focused her attention on the relations between, and comparative situations of Afro-Guyanese and Indo-Guyanese.
(This is mainly the problem with Guyana. The tension that exist between these two.)
The Government encouraged the independent expert to also consider issues facing indigenous peoples which would highlight recently instituted good practices by the Government. She noted the important efforts made by the Government to improve the situation of indigenous communities in regard to health care and education.
(Here she is aware of improvements.)
Since matters relating to indigenous peoples fall within the mandate of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights and fundamental freedoms of indigenous peoples, they will not be covered in this report.
(This is a bloody shame.)
In July 2003, the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance highlighted that he found that every level of Guyanese society is permeated by a profound moral, emotional and political fatigue, arising out of the individual and collective impact of ethnic polarization.
(What part of this paragraph is incorrect?)
In 2008, the independent expert witnessed a continuing societal malaise that shows evidence of having deepened and transformed in some instances into despair, anger and resistance.
(Lets look at this from an Indian point of view: despair ((what if there is a PNC govt, and things go back to where it was. All my hard work is lost, just like it happened to others in the past.)
(Now look at it from a Black point of view: anger ((I'm no longer privileged (as many were) ashamed its not my party thats improving things, would my party ever win again, etc.)
(Logical both will suffer and show some resistance.)
Despair, anger and resistance.
This is particularly evident among Afro-Guyanese individuals and communities that reported feeling excluded, discriminated against and criminalized.
Afro-Guyanese with whom the independent expert met described feeling excluded from having a full voice and stake in the national polity and equal enjoyment of rights in many fields of life including employment and economic participation.
(This is an understandably FEELING. Many times they may hear it is ppp that is building the country not pnc whether they voted for ppp or pnc. Feeling excluded can relate to not have opportunities that was once theirs for the asking/ taking or simply some form of inferiority complex)
They reported stigmatization of young Afro-Guyanese males and entire African communities. Derogatory stereotypes of criminality colour wider societal perceptions of Afro-Guyanese individuals and communities.
(Many sees in a black person: a thief etc, so this is a fact. What are your thoughts on Buxton?)
Ethnically divided political and administrative structures and failed political processes have created deep frustrations and distrust in the institution of government.
(Here, we just have to remember the past and present failures.)
A climate of suspicion, rumour and conspiracy theory exists in Guyana which has been fuelled by exceptionally violent incidents in 2008.
(Which part of this is incorrect?)
Two separate and conflicting narratives and perceptions of reality have emerged among Afro- and Indo-Guyanese, which threaten to undermine shared values and common goals that are essential to a united, prosperous Guyana
(This is a fact.)
Well done Veronica, for dissecting Ms McDougall's report for these brainwashed guys Good work, my friend.
Pilot 102

Jersey City, NJ

#15 Apr 9, 2009
tyron wrote:
Her report is flawed!! Clearly this report paints a profile of the stark reality of the country in relation to its challenges, achievements and availability of scarce resources.
The State Party is concerned that Guyana is portrayed as an ethnically polarized society by the Independent Expert in which one ethnic group dominates another at all levels.
If you cant see that one ethnic group dominates the other you are blind my friend.Say what the hell you want Indian Businesses did well under the PNC and Burhnam know he had to get them on board for him to do some of the things he wanted.Today you are black in Guyana you have a big problem.I just got off the Phone with one of the Gov Ministers, we were talking about a group of students now in Mixico and he said to me the big problem they a facing is unemployment, and Blacks in the Country do not think they are part of the system.Now that statement was from a member of the Gov.I have said it before and i am going to say it again , the day the PPP operates as a Gov for all the people they would be in power for a very long time.
Pilot 102

Jersey City, NJ

#16 Apr 9, 2009
correction Mexico
gtxxclusive

Georgetown, Guyana

#17 Apr 9, 2009
The Federation of Indepen-dent Trade Unions of Guyana (FITUG) says the report of the Independent Expert on Minority issues, Gay McDougall is a document that “is objectionable and offensive to all fair-minded Guyanese and divisive in its conclusions,” which are flawed and based on inadequate consultations.

FITUG declared that the “perceived ethnic polarization being bandied by the expert is a product of either her own imagination or a willing acceptance of misinformation by well-known prophets of doom only too willing to see actual upheavals ...”

FITUG said in a press release yesterday that it represents four premier trade unions with some 36,000 workers and is therefore the country’s largest representative entity, and it was therefore extremely disappointed that the Minority issues expert found that she “could not fit the country’s largest representative workers organization into her schedule.
gtxxclusive

Georgetown, Guyana

#18 Apr 9, 2009
Even FITUG relaised that the report were flawed and based on inadequate consultations.
Pilot 102

Jersey City, NJ

#19 Apr 10, 2009
gtxxclusive wrote:
The Federation of Indepen-dent Trade Unions of Guyana (FITUG) says the report of the Independent Expert on Minority issues, Gay McDougall is a document that “is objectionable and offensive to all fair-minded Guyanese and divisive in its conclusions,” which are flawed and based on inadequate consultations.
FITUG declared that the “perceived ethnic polarization being bandied by the expert is a product of either her own imagination or a willing acceptance of misinformation by well-known prophets of doom only too willing to see actual upheavals ...”
FITUG said in a press release yesterday that it represents four premier trade unions with some 36,000 workers and is therefore the country’s largest representative entity, and it was therefore extremely disappointed that the Minority issues expert found that she “could not fit the country’s largest representative workers organization into her schedule.
The key word in your comment is upheavals, and that is going to happen very soon.It's only a matter of time.
Veronica

Palma De Mallorca, Spain

#20 Apr 10, 2009

Will someone please explain what is false in this report?

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