Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

Mar 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Half of released prisoners are returned to jail within 3 years. Obviously our current prison system is not solving the problem. Plus we spend over $31,000 per inmate per year for a total of over $63 billion per year on a system that doesn't work. Lock 'em up and throw away the key does not work.
I said the right _results_ in 90 deaths a day, not that the right kills 90 people a day.
I did not deliberately misquote, so I stand corrected.

Our prisons are hotels with great freebies.. You get cable tv, workout rooms, free education, free sex changes, and a great place to get drugs and contraband. Prison needs to be a punishment, not a welcome place nor a free ride on society.
We could cut expenses buy getting the luxury items out. Keep the library and job training for those who are first time offenders and show rehabilitative behaviour. Make them grow thier own food. They are not there for exceptional behaviour, so forget comfort. Repeat violent offenders should leave prison in a pine box.

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American fatalities from 2000-2010
Terror attacks - 3,033
Workplace deaths - 60,394
Firearms - 335,609
But we definitely shouldn't do anything to regulate guns.
That's NOTHING in comparison to how many corrupt gobvernments have killed:

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS

15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

Many of those MASS MURDERERS disarmed their victims before SLAUGHTERING them.

You were saying?

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Why are so many repeat violent offenders on the streets if there is not a problem. what is the breakdown of criminal activity of those incarcerated? How many nonviolent offenders are included?
People who are not allowed to possess a firearm are committing a crime if they attempt to purchase one. A punishable crime that needs pursued.
I have seen estimates of 2.5% to 10 % of denials are in error. However, I have been able to find an source that I consider neutral in the matter.
Out of approx 821 million checks that were denied in 2010, only 47 were prosecuted. Even at a 10% error rate, the prosecution is lax for violating the law.
The idea of expanding a broken system is ludicrous. Fix the system, then we can debate the merits of expanding the system.
The greatest fallacy of the firearm debate is the treatment of firearm owners. Non criminals, non violent citizens are treated as guilty. The assumption is innocence until proven guilty. And people like me are painted as extremists by those who have the need for knee jerk feel good policies. People like me are not the problem, nor are we the extremists.
The BATF and FBI will prosecute in rare instances. They are afraid the bans will be overturned in court however. Which is why they are so selective in prosecuting. They are after all trying to enforce UNCONSTITUTIONAL 'laws'....

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I did not deliberately misquote, so I stand corrected.
Our prisons are hotels with great freebies.. You get cable tv, workout rooms, free education, free sex changes, and a great place to get drugs and contraband. Prison needs to be a punishment, not a welcome place nor a free ride on society.
We could cut expenses buy getting the luxury items out. Keep the library and job training for those who are first time offenders and show rehabilitative behaviour. Make them grow thier own food. They are not there for exceptional behaviour, so forget comfort. Repeat violent offenders should leave prison in a pine box.
EXACTLY. They should WORK - HARD while incarcerated. Not only to pay for their upkeep. But to pay restitution for crimes committed.

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Taggants allow law enforcement to track where the explosives were manufactured and then purchased. That would allow them to quickly and easily track down the bomb makers.
I am starting to catch on .

If the explosives were manufactured in California and purchased in Utah then used in D.C. and the bomb makers fled to North Carolina they would be busted in a New York Minute.

We should avail ourselves of this amazing technology.

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Do you see that you're linking to only gun homicides and that I posted total deaths by firearms? There are more gun deaths than just murder.
Thanks for admitting many gun deaths are justified. I have no problem with the "gun death" of a criminal crawling into an armed victims window at 1:00 am. Do you? Are you pro criminal? Do you like rapist and molesters to have safe working conditions?
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Owning Guns Doesn't Preserve Freedom
Studies show there is very little correlation between heavily armed citizens and the presence of democracy in countries around the world.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/arch...
It sure don't hurt though.
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Taggants would be a disincentive to commit crime, just as the threat of punishment is.
I think I just proved you wrong. The bombers chose non traceable weapons on purpose. For you to think there are not many more untraceable weapons or methods to commit mass murder is just simplistic thinking.
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I don't respond to people who intentionally insulting.
Then stop trying to insult my intelligence by just repeating the tired old unfounded arguments made by anti rights groups for years before you were even born. Every gun law made promised to stop crime. NON have worked. Yet here you are with the same old drivel. We have heard all this crap before and history continues to prove it to be crap. You can keep selling but no ones buying it anymore.
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Why are so many repeat violent offenders on the streets if there is not a problem. what is the breakdown of criminal activity of those incarcerated? How many nonviolent offenders are included?
People who are not allowed to possess a firearm are committing a crime if they attempt to purchase one. A punishable crime that needs pursued.
I have seen estimates of 2.5% to 10 % of denials are in error. However, I have been able to find an source that I consider neutral in the matter.
Out of approx 821 million checks that were denied in 2010, only 47 were prosecuted. Even at a 10% error rate, the prosecution is lax for violating the law.
The idea of expanding a broken system is ludicrous. Fix the system, then we can debate the merits of expanding the system.
The greatest fallacy of the firearm debate is the treatment of firearm owners. Non criminals, non violent citizens are treated as guilty. The assumption is innocence until proven guilty. And people like me are painted as extremists by those who have the need for knee jerk feel good policies. People like me are not the problem, nor are we the extremists.
There are repeat offenders because our system houses criminals instead of attempting to rehabilitate them. The criminal justice system needs to be reformed.

I already said that preventing sales to people with criminal records is the goal. A stopped sale is considered a success, even without a prosecution. More prosecutions cost more money. There isn't support in Congress for that.

If the system failures are due to the fact that only a fraction of sales are covered by background checks, expanding the checks it completely logical and reasonable.

Law abiding citizens' rights are not infringed by comprehensive gun safety regulation. And I haven't called you extremist.
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FormerParatrooper wrote:
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I did not deliberately misquote, so I stand corrected.
Our prisons are hotels with great freebies.. You get cable tv, workout rooms, free education, free sex changes, and a great place to get drugs and contraband. Prison needs to be a punishment, not a welcome place nor a free ride on society.
We could cut expenses buy getting the luxury items out. Keep the library and job training for those who are first time offenders and show rehabilitative behaviour. Make them grow thier own food. They are not there for exceptional behaviour, so forget comfort. Repeat violent offenders should leave prison in a pine box.
You make prison sound like a vacation. I don't think that's the case or people wouldn't try to avoid it.

Restricting rehabilitation services to inmates you make the recidivism problem worse.
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That's NOTHING in comparison to how many corrupt gobvernments have killed:
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse
IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
Many of those MASS MURDERERS disarmed their victims before SLAUGHTERING them.
You were saying?
Owning Guns Doesn't Preserve Freedom

Studies show there is very little correlation between heavily armed citizens and the presence of democracy in countries around the world.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/arch...
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<quoted text>I am starting to catch on .
If the explosives were manufactured in California and purchased in Utah then used in D.C. and the bomb makers fled to North Carolina they would be busted in a New York Minute.
We should avail ourselves of this amazing technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Zo10xdN2RdsXX
It would definitely make law enforcement's job easier.
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<quoted text>Thanks for admitting many gun deaths are justified. I have no problem with the "gun death" of a criminal crawling into an armed victims window at 1:00 am. Do you? Are you pro criminal? Do you like rapist and molesters to have safe working conditions?
I did not say they were justified or self-defense. 60 percent of gun deaths are from suicides, compared with 37 percent for homicides.

I am pro-common-sense and pro-what-works.
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text> It sure don't hurt though.
This is your opinion. I provided statistical evidence.
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I think I just proved you wrong. The bombers chose non traceable weapons on purpose. For you to think there are not many more untraceable weapons or methods to commit mass murder is just simplistic thinking.
I don't believe you did. Again, the goal isn't the complete elimination of crime. The goal is crime reduction.

Taggants would reduce crime just as the threat of punishment reduces crime. Criminals find ways to avoid getting caught and punished too. Why don't you support eliminating punishment for crime?
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Then stop trying to insult my intelligence by just repeating the tired old unfounded arguments made by anti rights groups for years before you were even born. Every gun law made promised to stop crime. NON have worked. Yet here you are with the same old drivel. We have heard all this crap before and history continues to prove it to be crap. You can keep selling but no ones buying it anymore.
I haven't made any arguments for which there is no supporting evidence. You may not like them, but they aren't unfounded.

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The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We are not putting violent criminals right back on the street.
Any constitutional right that results in 90 deaths a day should definitely be better regulated.
If we're not putting criminals back out on the street why do the vast majority (something like 90%) of people charged with murder already have an extensive rap sheet? The people who commit murder without having been arrested and convicted of crimes previously are few and far between.

Our incarceration rate wouldn't be so high if we stopped locking people up for victimless crimes like possession of marijuana and other nonviolent transgressions. Save the prison space for the dangerous violent criminals.

Regulating "rights" is an oxymoron. Using your logic we should regulate and restrict the 1st amendment too. After all, the pen is mightier than the sword and words were resulting in millions of deaths long before guns were invented.

The key here is to address the problem by attacking it at the source.......the criminals/psychos who walk free among us. Gun control is nothing but a form of mass punishment like the military once used. If one soldier screwed up, the entire unit was punished severely. That type of discipline has been ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL and outlawed. Yet when a few individuals commit acts of violence you wish to restrict and penalize the entire American population. The mere thought of it is un-American. We need to restrict our punitive actions to those who violate the laws and abuse their rights, not target EVERYBODY in the hope that we might, just maybe, reduce criminal activity. IMHO.

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It would definitely make law enforcement's job easier.
You've hit on another problem we have. When the job of our police changed from "keeping the peace" to "ENFORCING THE LAW" we lost something precious. If making "law enforcement's job easier" means abrogating the rights of people who have committed no crime something is terribly wrong! Maybe "law enforcement" needs to work harder at apprehending dangerous criminals instead of writing seat-belt tickets.

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I haven't made any arguments for which there is no supporting evidence. You may not like them, but they aren't unfounded.
Ditto!

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