Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 20 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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FormerParatroope r

Bloomington, IL

#12628 Mar 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It wasn't, and it didn't matter what parts were written or when they were written Dipstick:
It matters WHEN IT WAS SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Do you think it would have passed on September 10th?
Guess you missed where I said, very plainly, 9/11 was the excuse?

Regardless of when signed, or by whom, it is a erosion of Rights. I opposed it under Bush, opposed when Obama extended it, and will always oppose it.

Since Obama extended it, you are for it?

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#12629 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Guess you missed where I said, very plainly, 9/11 was the excuse?
Guess you forgot who the president was on 9/11.

I know, hard to see where your head is at.

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#12630 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
Regardless of when signed, or by whom,
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHAH!

Regardless?

Wipe your chin, dear.
FormerParatroope r

Bloomington, IL

#12631 Mar 26, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Nope. Mainly I speak of torture.
But I also speak of gross, extra-legal violations of civil rights by the Bush administration.
Civil Rights of US Citizens should be opposed by all of us. There I stand beside you in support.

Torture, dependent of the type, I have disagreed with you on in the past. Waterboarding a non uniformed enemy combatant is fine with me. Same for sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation and similar methods.

Mock executions, and similar methods, I do not support.

Torture of US Citizens, never.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#12632 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Civil Rights of US Citizens should be opposed by all of us. There I stand beside you in support.
Torture, dependent of the type, I have disagreed with you on in the past. Waterboarding a non uniformed enemy combatant is fine with me. Same for sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation and similar methods.
Mock executions, and similar methods, I do not support.
Torture of US Citizens, never.
Violations of the civil rights of human beings should be opposed by all of us.

Torture of anyone should be universally condemned, and every American should unconditionally reject the United States of America conducting torture. It is a disgrace for this nation to engage in such morally repugnant behavior. It's a violation of everything we say we stand for.
FormerParatroope r

Bloomington, IL

#12633 Mar 26, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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No, I remember that "Obamacare was debated for weeks in Senate committees and received 25 days of debate on the Senate floor. Senators from both parties filed 506 amendments and took 34 roll call votes. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, & Pensions Committee debated reform for a month and even accepted 164 Republican amendments." (John McCain BTW)
The healthcare bill was posted publicly for anyone to read. Hell, we read it and debated it here on Topix back in 2009.
It was introduced in the House on Sept 17 and passed on Oct 8 - 3 weeks later.
It passed the Senate on Dec 17 - 11 weeks later.
The House passed the Senate amendments on March 21, 2010 - over 13 weeks later.
The law was written, debated, and passed according to the democratic process that has made this nation the most successful democracy in history. And in democracies, the majority governs and passes legislation. The claim that nobody knew what was in the law is nothing more than rightwing myth. You're too smart a man to actually believe that nonsense.
Nancy Pelosi made that statement. She misspeak?

I am aware of the debates, and aware of the disinformation presented on both sides. I am also aware that objections made by the minority were not considered. How many of those who voted on the Bill actually read it beyond a synopsis presented to them?
I do absolutely expect those in office to a thorough understanding of laws they impose. Given that the law, presented not as a tax, but argued in SCOTUS as a tax, impacts every Citizen, I would expect that it was better understood by those responsible for passing it.

It is law now, still everchanging, but law. We must live with it. Unfortunately those who wrote, debated and passed this law are exempt from it. That is my greatest opposition to it. Any law that exempts those who implement the law is not a Democratic process, nor the basis of a Representative Republic.
FormerParatroope r

Bloomington, IL

#12634 Mar 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHAH!
Regardless?
Wipe your chin, dear.
Your not witty. You failed to answer the question yet again. I guess you were against when it was Bush, but okay now since Obama extended it. Great character you have.
FormerParatroope r

Bloomington, IL

#12635 Mar 26, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Violations of the civil rights of human beings should be opposed by all of us.
Torture of anyone should be universally condemned, and every American should unconditionally reject the United States of America conducting torture. It is a disgrace for this nation to engage in such morally repugnant behavior. It's a violation of everything we say we stand for.
We will disagree on the perception of what is torture and what is not, and what methods are justified in certain cases. Life experiences separate our beliefs.

The Geneva Conventions do outline what is and is not legal under the rules and laws of warfare. It also lays out who qualify for the protections outlined.

Our beliefs will always differ, I understand your basis for your beliefs, hopefully you understand mine. In a perfect world, I would be with you on this.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#12636 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Nancy Pelosi made that statement. She misspeak?
She didn't misspeak. The right has taken one sentence out of context to dishonestly distort its meaning.
FormerParatrooper wrote:
I am aware of the debates, and aware of the disinformation presented on both sides. I am also aware that objections made by the minority were not considered. How many of those who voted on the Bill actually read it beyond a synopsis presented to them?
I do absolutely expect those in office to a thorough understanding of laws they impose.
Objections by the minority were not only considered, their ideas were incorporated into the bill. But they still voted against it.

There is no reason in the world to believe that those who voted for the ACA didn't understand it. I can't believe you've swallowed that rightwing propaganda.
FormerParatrooper wrote:
Given that the law, presented not as a tax, but argued in SCOTUS as a tax, impacts every Citizen, I would expect that it was better understood by those responsible for passing it.
The individual mandate includes a financial penalty. The government has the legal right to impose that penalty under its taxing authority granted in the Constitution. That is what the government argued at the SCOTUS.

Taxes are designed to raise revenue. Penalties are designed to modify behavior. The individual mandate is a penalty, not a tax.
FormerParatrooper wrote:
It is law now, still everchanging, but law. We must live with it. Unfortunately those who wrote, debated and passed this law are exempt from it. That is my greatest opposition to it. Any law that exempts those who implement the law is not a Democratic process, nor the basis of a Representative Republic.
This is completely false. The ACA clearly and specifically says that Congressmen and their staffs are required to purchase health care from Exchanges.

It is surprising that you don't know that. Your "greatest opposition" to the law is based on a myth. Your "greatest opposition" is to something that simply does not exist.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#12637 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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We will disagree on the perception of what is torture and what is not, and what methods are justified in certain cases. Life experiences separate our beliefs.
The Geneva Conventions do outline what is and is not legal under the rules and laws of warfare. It also lays out who qualify for the protections outlined.
Our beliefs will always differ, I understand your basis for your beliefs, hopefully you understand mine. In a perfect world, I would be with you on this.
The US executed Japanese war criminals for waterboarding US POWs after they were tried by US judges and found guilty of the war crime of torture. If it was torture then, it was still torture when we did it.

It doesn't need to be a perfect world for us to refrain from immoral behavior. Some things are moral absolutes and torture is one of them. We will never have anything close to a perfect world as long as people justify behavior for themselves that they consider war crimes when conducted by the enemy.

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#12638 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
Waterboarding a non uniformed enemy combatant is fine with me.
What a shame it is that you are not waterboarded yourself 200 times before you are allowed to open your uninformed opinion.

As it is you torture us now with your idiocy.

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#12639 Mar 26, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Your not witty. You failed to answer the question yet again.
Has your recent arrest stopped you from downloading kiddie porn?

"Your" not very bright.

Thanks for sharing, shug.

PS: Bush was the POTUS on 9/11 and he was POTUS the month before that when he was told there was a plot to crash hijacked jets into US landmarks.

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#12642 Mar 26, 2014
immoral behavior wrote:
dannyboy......you got the balls to look?
You don't think US Marines have the same kind of pictures they brought back from Vietnam?

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#12644 Mar 28, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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..........
You've long ago proven that you're a complete moron,.
Proving things has never been your strong suite, Danny Boy.

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#12645 Mar 28, 2014
I wouldn't want to keep the same alias if I were you either...

Reported.

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#12646 Mar 28, 2014
immoral behavior wrote:
Dan the Man
Intimation... flattery...

Did you ever graduate, by the way, dear? from that community college mom was paying for?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#12647 Mar 28, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Proving things has never been your strong suite, Danny Boy.
He's not me.
Independent

United States

#12648 Mar 28, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Violations of the civil rights of human beings should be opposed by all of us. Torture of anyone should be universally condemned, and every American should unconditionally reject the United States of America conducting torture. It is a disgrace for this nation to engage in such morally repugnant behavior. It's a violation of everything we say we stand for.
Well Dan, some common ground. I agree with you on this 100%.
Bet you never thought you would hear that, huh?

Don't let it go to your head though.

:^`P

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#12649 Mar 28, 2014
I know.

I should have put it in quotes... caps require two fingers and I,m drinking coffee.

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#12650 Mar 28, 2014
...see 'reported'

hmmm not to self single quote one finger future reference.

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