Poland's Premier Pistol

Jan 9, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Guns Magazine

A Browning Influence, Combined With Several Innovative Features, Made The Radom 9mm One Of The Best Service Autos Of WWII.

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Clear Dharma

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The Polish Radom 9mm was a magnificent handgun. It looks like the ideal weapon to use by the soon to be formed hit squad, as suggested here:

http://www.topix.com/world/poland/2014/01/pol...

It pedigree and provenance would make it the perfect blade to make the change.

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Clear Dharma wrote:
The Polish Radom 9mm was a magnificent handgun. It looks like the ideal weapon to use by the soon to be formed hit squad, as suggested here:
http://www.topix.com/world/poland/2014/01/pol...
It pedigree and provenance would make it the perfect blade to make the change.
It was an almost a direct copy of the Walther PPK.
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It was an almost a direct copy of the Walther PPK.
You do know what you are talking about.

In engineering things may look similar to the untrained eye, but if you take the weapon apart then you will find none of the parts are the same. The Radom VIS had a number of patents which made it one of the best hand guns of the war.

Evolution is the name of the game in making reliable weapons. Like the article here points out, the patented captive recoil spring makes for a reliable gun that is easy to strip in the field - a feature that has been continued in modern day handguns.

In terms of collectability and and increasing prices, the VIS is a far better investment than the PPK.

http://www.amazon.com/VIS-Radom-Photographic-...

The above gives a good overview of the products coming out of the extremely productive Radom factory as well as other hard to find information such as a section on the weapons used by the Polish AK.
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this is an overview that 2ndAmright uses
https://imageshack.com/i/m9dildovj
That's a stunning collection. They all look like they've been hand Made in Germany for the home market.

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Clear Dharma wrote:
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You do know what you are talking about.
In engineering things may look similar to the untrained eye, but if you take the weapon apart then you will find none of the parts are the same. The Radom VIS had a number of patents which made it one of the best hand guns of the war.
Evolution is the name of the game in making reliable weapons. Like the article here points out, the patented captive recoil spring makes for a reliable gun that is easy to strip in the field - a feature that has been continued in modern day handguns.
In terms of collectability and and increasing prices, the VIS is a far better investment than the PPK.
http://www.amazon.com/VIS-Radom-Photographic-...
The above gives a good overview of the products coming out of the extremely productive Radom factory as well as other hard to find information such as a section on the weapons used by the Polish AK.
Take a hike. It is VERY WIDELY known - WORLD-WIDE that the Radom was patterned after the PPK. Go spew your drool to the unaware.
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Take a hike. It is VERY WIDELY known - WORLD-WIDE that the Radom was patterned after the PPK. Go spew your drool to the unaware.
You don't understand engineering. Please explain why there are no interchangeable components between the weapons, and why the Radom VIS had three separate patents to cover the innovations that came with its design?

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Clear Dharma wrote:
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You don't understand engineering. Please explain why there are no interchangeable components between the weapons, and why the Radom VIS had three separate patents to cover the innovations that came with its design?
I understand it far better than you do. As I used to sell all of the weapons mentioned above. And have been around them my whole life.

Ever hear of reverse engineering and re-engineering? It's been done on a number of weapons throughout the ages.

The origin of the Radom can directly be traced to the Walther PPK. Just as the AK can directly be traced to the German StG 44.
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Ever hear of reverse engineering and re-engineering? It's been done on a number of weapons throughout the ages..
The Radon is based on the Browning. Nearly every gun, or any piece of commercial engineering is a development of what went before.

The Radon has nothing in common with the PPK. If it had the Germans would have just turned the factory over to manufacturing the PPK instead. As it was they continued manufacturing the Radon right up to 1945. The reason was, that it was one of the best hand guns of the war. Still is worthy, and very collectable..

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The Radon is based on the Browning. Nearly every gun, or any piece of commercial engineering is a development of what went before.
The Radon has nothing in common with the PPK. If it had the Germans would have just turned the factory over to manufacturing the PPK instead. As it was they continued manufacturing the Radon right up to 1945. The reason was, that it was one of the best hand guns of the war. Still is worthy, and very collectable..
Yeah, that's why it's known as the "Poor Man's PPK", RIGHT?

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You don't understand engineering. Please explain why there are no interchangeable components between the weapons, and why the Radom VIS had three separate patents to cover the innovations that came with its design?
Poor Manís PPK: the Polish P-64 Pistol

By David Tong

This article is a short review of the P-64, a caliber 9x18mm Makarov semi-automatic handgun fielded by the Polish military and police during the Cold War. It was designed by a number of Army officers at the Polish national arms factory at Radom, the same manufacturer that produced the 1911-like 9x19mm of the 1930's that colloquially goes by the same name. The P-64 greatly resembles the Walther PPK, save for the P-64ís Makarov-style heel-clip magazine release. The test pistol was imported by Inter-Ordnance of Monroe, NC. Their lasered moniker appears on the left side of the slide, which is otherwise adorned only with original manufacturing and proof marks. It was built in 1967 and served the Polish military until the mid-1980s.

Of all steel construction, refreshingly free of plastics (save for the two-piece wraparound grip and a magazine floorplate/finger extension) and castings, the P-64 fieldstrips the same way as a PPK, by unhinging the trigger guard and racking the slide to the rear and up/forward. The same right side mounted trigger draw bar, left side mounted ejector/internal slide stop and circumferential recoil spring around the barrel are all PPK hallmarks, though there are some slight differences in the way the P-64ís trigger return spring operates, as well as a ďpop-upĒ disconnector plate, which prevents full-auto firing. The hammerís mainspring offers some tension to the magazine release and the barrel bore is hard chrome plated.

The manual-of-arms is also similar, in that it is a DA/SA pistol with a left slide mounted safety/decocking lever without hammer block. The sights are smallish, in keeping with the then current thinking about the viability of sights on pocket pistols. The rear sight is drift-adjustable for windage. Metal finish is polished blue, with some minor polishing shortcuts that do not affect function.

The single column magazine holds six rounds of 9X18mm Makarov, the same capacity as a PPK in the ballistically similar.380 ACP. 9X18mm is capable of sending a 95 grain pill at 1,050 fps, which is still nowhere near a full power 9X19, although comparable to a .38 Special snub revolver. Overall, like the Russian Makarov, it is a somewhat simplified take on the venerable German PP design....

- Chuckhawks.com

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The Radon is based on the Browning. Nearly every gun, or any piece of commercial engineering is a development of what went before.
The Radon has nothing in common with the PPK. If it had the Germans would have just turned the factory over to manufacturing the PPK instead. As it was they continued manufacturing the Radon right up to 1945. The reason was, that it was one of the best hand guns of the war. Still is worthy, and very collectable..
There are also two different models of the Radom. The full size, based on the Browning. And then the compact, based on the Walther PPK. The Fabryka Broni factory in Radom produced MAUSER rifles. Which explains the similarities of the compact PPK style Radom.

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The Radon is based on the Browning. Nearly every gun, or any piece of commercial engineering is a development of what went before.
The Radon has nothing in common with the PPK. If it had the Germans would have just turned the factory over to manufacturing the PPK instead. As it was they continued manufacturing the Radon right up to 1945. The reason was, that it was one of the best hand guns of the war. Still is worthy, and very collectable..
I had not looked at the article, which obviously concerned the 9mm VIS. But had assumed that it was about the Radom P-64,(the PPK clone), which is in 9x18mm. And the model that was imported into the states for a while. My apologies.
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I had not looked at the article, which obviously concerned the 9mm VIS. But had assumed that it was about the Radom P-64,(the PPK clone), which is in 9x18mm. And the model that was imported into the states for a while. My apologies.
Yes of course we're talking about the VIS made up to 1939.

Anything made after the Soviet invasion of Poland is going to be inferior.

Apologies accepted. No sweat.

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Yes of course we're talking about the VIS made up to 1939.
Anything made after the Soviet invasion of Poland is going to be inferior.
Apologies accepted. No sweat.
Cool. Am not so familiar with the VIS. Although from what I've heard it is very well made. As are the Polish AK's, which were also made at Radom.

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Yes of course we're talking about the VIS made up to 1939.
Anything made after the Soviet invasion of Poland is going to be inferior.
Apologies accepted. No sweat.
Yea, you were made after that and are inferior to anybody here clown.
All what Polaks could make was a copy either from German weapons or from Soviet ones.
Polaks are much too dumb to invent anything on their own.

And I strongly recommend you not to argue with guys from gun`s forums about weapons. You are being stupid now and prove yourself to be a dumb Pollack.

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Alexey as usual you sound like a RuSSian Retard.

Despite all of the "MIGHT AND POWER" of a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE nation like ruSSia with EIGHT TIME ZONES OF TERRITORY and HUGE NUCLEAR Weapons and MANY MANY MANY TOUGH GUY RuSSian weapons and Powerful RuSSian army (LOL) and your BIG MACHO MIGHTY ISKLANDER MISSILES......those Chechens are still BOMBING AND TERRORIZING you punk RuSSians at will!

Here it is....Putin and his Might RuSSia...INCINERATED AND MURDERED a QUARTER OF A MILLION CHECHENS when Russia thought it was MACHO in murdering hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Chechens in the Chechen capital that it leveled to the ground.....yet these backward Chechens are still SCARING THE HELL out of the 10000000000 TON MONSTER Gorilla RuSSia!!!!

Ha ha ha ha.

Forget about your dumb pistols.......Despite all of your MACHO RUSSIAN WEAPONRY that can murder millions of people with no problem.....you STILL CAN'T stop the little Chechens from driving you savage ruSSians crazy with fear!!!

WOW what tough guys you are!! LOL!!

BTW.....go FCK yourself ruSSian savage. You got the balls to bash Poles and Ukrainians but while you are HELPLESS HELPLESS with your big TOUGH RuSSia MACHO weapons to stop the Chechens!!!

You mark my words......there will be lots of surprises for you arrogant :"macho" ruSSians in the days come up to the Soichi olympics!!

The one WEAPON people oppressed by RuSSian arrogance will ALWAYS have against you ruSSia fcks.....is your NATURAL ruSSia paranoia. Because you RuSSians deep down KNOW you are evil and will always be vulnerable to the KARMA REVENGE DO YOU!!!!
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Poland had a great firearms industry during its Communist period, but that was destroyed by the Western Capitalists and their collaborators.
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Alexey25 wrote:
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Yea, you were made after that and are inferior to anybody here clown.
All what Polaks could make was a copy either from German weapons or from Soviet ones.
Polaks are much too dumb to invent anything on their own.
And I strongly recommend you not to argue with guys from gun`s forums about weapons. You are being stupid now and prove yourself to be a dumb Pollack.
Poland had some better technology in 1939 than Nazi Germany & Soviets such as the Wz 35 & the 7TP.

Polish had created a number of military based technology during WW2.

http://polishgreatness.blogspot.com/2010/12/p...

1. Jozef Stanislaw Kosacki Polish Mine Detector
2. Waclaw Struszynski High Frequency Direction Finding System (Huff Duff)
3. Marceli Struszynski Polish Chemist
4. Jerzy Dabrowski PZL 37 Los Medium Bomber
5. Rudolph Gundlach Gundlach Rotary Periscope
6. Rudoph Gundlach Polish Armoured Car
7. Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypinski Vis Pistol
8. Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypinski Mors Submachine Gun
9. Jerzy Rudlicki V-Tail for Aircraft
10. Henryk Wladyslaw Magnuski Walkie-Talkie
11. Wladyslaw J. Swiatecki Slip Bomb Device
12. Jan Czochralski Rwz.42 hand grenade (Sidlowka) and Czochralski Process
13, Wac&#322;aw Zawrotny and Seweryn Wielanier Blyskawica submachine gun
14. Jozef Maroszek Wz. 35 Anti-Tank Rifle
15. National Ammunition Factory in Skar&#380;ysko-Kamienna 7.92mm cartridge
16. TK-3 and TKS tankettes
17. Grozny Armoured Train
18. 7 TP (7 ton tank, Polish)
19. Granatnik wz. 36 Grenade Launcher
20. Boleslaw Jurek 20mm wz.38 Model A (FK-A)
21. KIS (Polish machine pistol) Jan Piwnik's "Ponury" ("Grim") guerrilla unit
22. Polsten
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Cool. Am not so familiar with the VIS. Although from what I've heard it is very well made. As are the Polish AK's, which were also made at Radom.
The beauty about the VIS was that it was designed to kill retards like Alexey and it was very good at it. That is why the Germans kept its production going, and used it for what it was intended for.

Its a sad fact, but true.

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The beauty about the VIS was that it was designed to kill retards like Alexey and it was very good at it. That is why the Germans kept its production going, and used it for what it was intended for.
Its a sad fact, but true.
Thanks for the info.

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